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SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
Our Offering Plan says nothing at all about Transition. As I have mentioned previously, the Declarant/Sponsor/Builder, according to the Offering Plan holds the majority of the board until the last home is sold.

We are shortly getting to that point, and our resident board members have been told that the Declarant/Sponsor/Builder can just walk away after the last home is sold and have his appointed board members resign. Then, if we find that there were issues that were left undone, we would have to go after him and sue him.

Is that how the system works, or even if there is not a word about Transition in the Offering Plan, does there have to be a process which includes the formation of a Transition Committee to hire attorneys, Engineeers and CPAs?

Steve
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Steve,

My understanding is that there does not need to be a transition committee. However, its a good idea to have one and, if need be, the members should start one on their own. They should also pool money together and have an engineer inspect the property. If problems are found, make a claim against the builders bond.

Yes, that committee would not be sanctioned by the Association and would have to find their own funds (i.e. personal funds) to hire the engineer and, perhaps an attorney (at least until the Association is turned over to the members). However, it may be money well spent.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I like Tim's suggestion. You owners DO want to know about construction defects and need to consider that there may be statutes of limitation issues. I believe I've mentioned this to you before. I think you all better get organized and act.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
SteveS8, attached is information on transitioning from the Developer to homeowners control.
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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Steve

Were I in your shoes and I felt/believed the Declarant was just going to walk away, I would be rallying my fellow owners to form a Transition Committee funded by the owners to protect our interests.

The Declarant may have had to put up a bond of some type and this is one thing I would want to be sure he can not just run away with. Also if here is a Reserve Fund, I would want that protected.

We are in transition now. We are working closely with the a very amicable and professional Declarant and things seem to be going smoothly. The foundation of our Transition Committee is the Declarant appointed BOD with a few new faces we invited to join.

One management company we interviewed said the largest problems they have seen with transitions are the Reserves being there and the roads finished/dedicated.

At the present rate of sales, when do you anticipate the last unit being sold?

You better be safe then sorry.

SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
I am not quite sure that we fear his running away. He is building lots of other communities, and we will know where to find him.

At current sales numbers, we anticipate the community being sold out in 12 to 18 months. We have been asking to have a Transition Committee for over two years and all we heard was silence. Suddenly at the annual board meeting in October we were told that it would be 12 to 18 months and we have two choices 1) To cooperate or 2)to be antagonistic.

He then went on to tell of a community for whom he was nice enough to build a wall at his expense, and they wound up suing him (being antagonistic) at Transition over some other issues and the homeowners lost and had to pay $7000 each.

This fellow has a very smooth delivery and we are an "adult" community so occasionally bridges are sold.

Steve
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
SteveS8’s Offering Plan actually does address “Transition” : either enough owners get their skillsets ready now to land on their feet without chaos that tarnishes the Sponsor. OR all owners land on their heads.

Brief look at the some of that state’s Attorney General’s materials, suggests that New York developers have few restraints, that condo conversions of aging housing stock are real biggies, and that there will be little political will to impose prudent compliance controls.

To the good suggestions above, may be added that you track down a state with a consumer-friendly condo statute to show at least the veneer of what has evolved including engineering, financial and legal compliance audits asap. Our jurisdiction has a large list in its condo turnover provisions, but compliance is a different matter and believed widely variant.

A Declarant corporate shell may have little to fear from ignoring lots of it, or firing onto the table a big mess of incompletes before walking out. Hope enough owners prepare for worse but that it never arrives.
ChuckJ (Georgia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
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Posted By SteveS8 on 11/08/2014 11:48 AM
Our Offering Plan says nothing at all about Transition. As I have mentioned previously, the Declarant/Sponsor/Builder, according to the Offering Plan holds the majority of the board until the last home is sold.

We are shortly getting to that point, and our resident board members have been told that the Declarant/Sponsor/Builder can just walk away after the last home is sold and have his appointed board members resign. Then, if we find that there were issues that were left undone, we would have to go after him and sue him.

Is that how the system works, or even if there is not a word about Transition in the Offering Plan, does there have to be a process which includes the formation of a Transition Committee to hire attorneys, Engineeers and CPAs?

Steve

Depending on what your CC&Rs state, the Declarant can not put anyone on the Board until the last house is sold and the CO given. The strongest position you can take is to get the residents up in arms to force the issue. Obviously the longer the Declarant can hold off setting up a Transition Team, the better for him. Many commuities wait too lang and then they are singing the old country song "She got the goldmine, I got the shaft". ChuckyJ
SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
Thanks, Chuck,
Did you mean to say, "the Declarant CAN put anyone on the Board until the last house is sold and the CO given."
Because that is what has happened.
Steve
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
Does CO above refer to certificate of occupancy ? Crusaders in communities like this need to build wide consensus and look reasonable, if for only the reason that "the wagons may be circled" by the Sponsor/Declarant's sweetheart board. Majority neutral owners can be persuaded that you are the problem. If the state-approved Plan postpones transition, owners will need to do their homework big time and move co-operatively. Lots of crusaders have had "the guns turned back onto them" and even been driven out by toxicity.
ChuckJ (Georgia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Setve,

The proper proceedure would be for the Declarant to appoint a Transition Team long before build-out. (perhaps 1 year) Transition is just the word meaning take over. It is the work proceeding this Transition Meeting that counts. The Declarant can appoint a resident member to the HOA Board, but unless you have more members thatn the Declarant, they can out vote you on any issue. Many Communities have the Resident HOA Board in place prior to build-out, and hopefully have all the issues ironed out with he Developer prior to take over. There are many issues that should have been addressed, for example: Are there any mechanics liens against the builder from the sub-contractors? This simple question if not addressed might leave you with the problem and cost after the Declarant leaves. For a sample of these problems in other communities just go on line and bring up HOA TRANSITION. ChuckJ
SteveS8 (New York)
Posts: 128
Posted:
I am not understanding why the Declarant selects the Transition Committee.

He certainly knows the right people to select who will go along with everything he says and does. What the homeowners need on such a committee are our residents who also happen to be or have been CPAs, attorneys, and engineers.

As an example, when the resident board members kept insisting that we need to get engineers into the community to prepare for transition, after silence for a long, long time, the answer was that he could recommend engineers but he has not given permission for anyone to enter the community to check anything.

In my opinion, the homeowners have to look out for their own interests. It is sort of like the three little pigs being convinced to allow the wolf to clean their houses.

Steve
ChuckJ (Georgia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Yes the CO means Certificate of Occupancy. I agree that going off half cocked is dangerous, however doing nothing is worse. As long as the Declarants HOA Board is in control, they hold all the cards. If the Transition Team is not appointed early, the residents have to force the issue. If you have a web site, you can address the community for support. If necessary going to Corporate (above the Developer) with many emails stirsd up action. You might have to hire an engineer to inspect your community and legal help to go over your CC&Rs which might have to be changed. In my case, I have a team of 7 volunteers on the P&G Committee, and dwe have a handle on all the mechanical problems. Another thing you can do is go to the County and get a copy of all the Bonds held and their expiration dates. Then make sire that all the problems are resolved prior to the expiration. The county can hold back the bonds until your problems are resolved. ChuckJ
ChuckJ (Georgia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Steve,

If your community has committees for EX: Finance, Communications, CAC, ARC, or in our case Property & Grounds, (who monitor all the Community), these are the most informed individuals to get on the Transition Team, and the developer knows that. Sending out an email to your residents requesting residents who in their past were accountants, engineers, legal, might save you a lot of money, plus they are stewards of your community with an inveatment who might want to help protect their investment. You then have the Transition Team form Sub-Committees from this group to help with the necessary research. ChuckJ

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