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CarolM11 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I live in NC and we have some members who say wait until your final accounting for the year is done and then move your money into the reserve funds. That would put it in the next budget year. I believe that if the 2014 budget states XYZ is the amount to be budgeted for the reserve funds, then those funds should be transferred during that budget year. A member on the financial committee says you can post date on your general ledger so it appears to done in the correct year. I say the IRS would not take kindly to that. So my question is When are you suppose to move funds allocated to the reserve funds?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Carol,

Are you using cash or accrual basis accounting? What the IRS is concerned with will be based on the accounting method used.

As for funding your Reserves, I believe that money transferred into the Reserve should be done in the year the money is collected for the Reserves.

I deposit funds into the Reserve account over the year, a bit each month until the obligation is met. How much I transfer is based on the amount collected and the amount of expenses for any given month. Financially speaking, since most reserve funds are held in accounts that bear a higher interest rate, it makes sense to meet that obligation as soon as possible (providing you don't allow the operating fund to come up short).

CarolM11 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
accrual basis accounting. Our budget accounts for all expenditures and contract obligations. The budget even includes a contingency fund along with a budget for each committee. Fiscal year 2013 had over $100,000.00 left over. In Nov. 2013 the board voted to transfer it to the reserve fund but was not done until July of the following fiscal year. This fiscal year they have transfer $50,000.00 but still have $86,000.00 that was in this years fiscal budget. As I stated it was stated they can move the funds in the next fiscal year just go in and post date the general ledger showing it was transferred in the current fiscal year it was funded.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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So Carol, is the amount transferred to the Reserves each year based on a Reserve Study or simply what money is left over at the end of the year?

Or is the 50K to 100K due to line items that came in under budget?
CarolM11 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
We had a reserve study done and so far we have not been able to meet the goal on what they say we should put in. The reserve study was done 5 years ago so we just voted on having a new on. Our reserve funds are very low and we have major repairs that need to be done. The 2013 budget did not have as much in it to transfer funds so they quit spending so they can build the reserve fund. The 2014 budget actual call for $136,00 to budgeted for the reserve funds
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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From what you are explaining, it appears that you are simply placing any left over funds from the operating fund into the Reserves. This way never really works because individuals don't really see funding the Reserves as an obligation (expense) to the Association.

My advice would be to make an expense item in your budget for funding the Reserves and try to meet it. Then, at the end of the year, for any under budgeted line items, you can transfer those funds to the reserves as well.

Each year, assessments should be raised until you can actually meet the expense of funding the reserves. Ideally, the Board can get the membership to go along with a large increase to fully fund the Reserves. Sell that by saying if the Reserves are properly funded there should be no expectation of a special assessment in the future or putting a little away each month vs. paying a huge amount when needed.

I know it can be difficult to properly fund the Reserves. After our first Reserve Study was done (just 5 years ago) my Association required a 20% increase in assessments to fund the Reserves. Fortunately we were able to obtain the necessary votes to have that increase and our Association is in fairly decent financial shape.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Good advice from Tim as usual.

We're small with a small budget and we bill dues annually, not quarterly or monthly. Our reserve deposit, based on our reserve study is listed as one of our expenses and the deposit is made in Feb or March of each year.

Think of the reserve as spent money as you would any other obligation. That money is accounted for, even if it doesn't leave your hands for a number of years.

I suggest updating your reserve study, calculating the amount you need to put in. Then explain that to the membership. Even if you have to ramp up the dues over a couple years or so, explain what you're doing and why it's important.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Accounting is not my strong suit and it has been a few years since I studied it in school. My understanding is that under accrual accounting income and expenses for a particular year are normally posted to the books for the year in which the money was in theory either earned or spent.

I take that to mean that if your 2014 fiscal year ends on 12/31 that any expenses from 2014 would still be posted to the 2014 accounts even if the actual payment occurred in 2015. For example, a water bill for December 2014 would be posted to the 2014 accounts even if it was not received and paid until January 2015.

CarolM11 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
The 2014 budget actually has a line item to fund the reserve fund. A finance committee member says they can do it in 2015 and post date the transfer in 2014 general ledger book. The bills received for December utilities are budgeted in 2015 budget since that is when they are due. The questions remains can you post date a transfer of funds when it is an actual line item in the 2014 budget?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By CarolM11 on 10/28/2014 2:56 PM

The questions remains can you post date a transfer of funds when it is an actual line item in the 2014 budget?

Under accrual accounting method, yes.

From the link I provided earlier:

Under the accrual method, transactions are counted when the order is made, the item is delivered, or the services occur, regardless of when the money for them (receivables) is actually received or paid. In other words, income is counted when the sale occurs, and expenses are counted when you receive the goods or services. You don't have to wait until you see the money, or actually pay money out of your checking account, to record a transaction.

Advantages and disadvantages of the accrual method. While the accrual method shows the ebb and flow of business income and debts more accurately, it may leave you in the dark as to what cash reserves are available, which could result in a serious cash flow problem. For instance, your income ledger may show thousands of dollars in sales, while in reality your bank account is empty because your customers haven't paid you yet.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Whether rollover funds are deposited on Dec. 31st or Jan. 1st really isn't relevant. In one case, the budget simply ends out of balance because the HOA "made" more money than it spent.

This HOA needs to make a reserve fund deposit as a regular monthly expense as well as direct rollover funds into Reserves. It's a simple solution and even dues payers will understand its simplicity in lieu of special assessments.

Listen to Tim on this one.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Excellent analyses of this subject...well said!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By CarolM11 on 10/28/2014 2:56 PM
The 2014 budget actually has a line item to fund the reserve fund. A finance committee member says they can do it in 2015 and post date the transfer in 2014 general ledger book. The bills received for December utilities are budgeted in 2015 budget since that is when they are due. The questions remains can you post date a transfer of funds when it is an actual line item in the 2014 budget?

Post dating is poor terminology. Better terminology is closing the books.

If your year ends on 12.31.2014, transactions may occur in December but the paperwork may not be processed until January. Organizations typically close their books within 30 days after the close of the fiscal period. So some 2014 events will be entered in January while the 2014 books are still open, and then the 2014 books will be closed. The process of closing the books involves making a decision on what belongs in 2014 and what belongs in 2015.

I agree with others that Reserves should be a regular expense item (monthly or quarterly depending on your HOA), with a transfer of any excess funds at year end.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Interesting stuff NpS.

Am wondering if what you described can only be done using only an accrual system of accounting.

In other words, using cash basis accounting - is it appropriate to post items entered in January as actually showing up on the books with a December date?

What do u think?

oljim, in texas

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Posted By NpS on 10/30/2014 12:34 AM
Posted By CarolM11 on 10/28/2014 2:56 PM
The 2014 budget actually has a line item to fund the reserve fund. A finance committee member says they can do it in 2015 and post date the transfer in 2014 general ledger book. The bills received for December utilities are budgeted in 2015 budget since that is when they are due. The questions remains can you post date a transfer of funds when it is an actual line item in the 2014 budget?


Post dating is poor terminology. Better terminology is closing the books.

If your year ends on 12.31.2014, transactions may occur in December but the paperwork may not be processed until January. Organizations typically close their books within 30 days after the close of the fiscal period. So some 2014 events will be entered in January while the 2014 books are still open, and then the 2014 books will be closed. The process of closing the books involves making a decision on what belongs in 2014 and what belongs in 2015.

I agree with others that Reserves should be a regular expense item (monthly or quarterly depending on your HOA), with a transfer of any excess funds at year end.



Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By JimR24 on 10/30/2014 3:04 AM
using cash basis accounting - is it appropriate to post items entered in January as actually showing up on the books with a December date?

Hi Jim

Cash basis accounting is like running your checkbook. Checks written on 12.31.14 go into FY 2014. Deposits entered on 12.31.14 go into 2014. Of course, the person doing the books has some wiggle room. Let's say he doesn't work from Christmas to New Year - When he shows up on 1.2.15, he might date some checks 12.31.14 even though he actually writes them on 1.2.15.

Also, in addition to cash basis and accrual basis accounting, there is something called modified accrual which is a blend of the two systems. Here's an example of how the 3 systems typically handle revenues:

Cash Method. Revenues recognized when funds received. Doesn't matter when earned.

Accrual Method. Revenues recognized when earned. Doesn't matter when funds received.

Modified Accrual Method. Revenues recognized if earned during the period and also funds are received during or soon after the end of that period (typically within 60 days.)

In all 3 systems, books must be closed by someone. So there is always wiggle room.

Whichever system you use, treatment must be consistent from period to period. There are pros and cons to each approach.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Thank you NpS. Good stuff!

oljim, in texas

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas

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