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MarkC17 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hopefully a quick easy question that won't take to much of your time. Thanks in advance.

Question: Are HOA Board minutes and / or monthly financial reports "confidential documents" of a Homeowners Association?

The Board has started a website and posted meeting minutes and monthly financial information on the website. They mailed a letter to all homeowners telling them the password and how to access the information and telling them that it is considered confidential information. I'm just curious if a HOA can legally restrict it's members form sharing this information. I would think potential buyers would want to know the financial condition of the organization and sellers should have the right to show reports of such a general nature. But that's just my thought. Does a HOA Board have a legal right to restrict these documents to homeowner / members only? IS there legal precedent / case law where a Board's right to restrict this type of information was upheld. If such a restriction was ignored what legal ramifications might someone expect from the Homeowners Lawyer?

thanks
mark croft

http://www.majesticoaksfl.com/me/majestic-oaks/home-owners-only-6263.html

From the Board:
"Disclaimer to Homeowners

*We will be providing the password to Homeowners with the Election Ballots that will be sent through the mail*

This password and access to Majestic Oaks Homeowner’s Association financial statements and approved meeting minutes are confidential documents of Majestic Oaks Homeowners Association of Ocala, Inc. and are covered under the Fiduciary responsibility of the Board of Directors. This password and the contents of the “Homeowner Only” section of the web site should not be shared with anyone that is not a member of the association and/or not entitled to information about official business of the homeowners association. By accessing the above mentioned tab – “you acknowledge and agree to the duties/obligations/responsibilities to protect your association’s privileged information.""
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
First do not post contact information or details. Keep it general in here. Secondly, POTENTIAL BUYERS ARE NOT MEMBERS!!!! They have no rights to HOA business. That is for MEMBERS ONLY.

The HOA documents such as Articles of Incorporation and Convenants and Restrictions are PUBLIC documents and available to potential buyers. Many states requiring sellers to provide prior to closing.

By laws and Archectectual documents are INTERNAL HOA documents and are NOT required to be turned over.

Remember, potential buyers are like people who walk by and say "nice house"... Do you hand them over all the details to them? NO.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Mark,

Can they stop you from sharing the information? No.
However, they can certainly make all sorts of official sounding statements to hope you don't share.

I wouldn't make too big of a fuss about it. If you do, the Association may simply stop posting the financial info on the website and require you to follow the procedures outlined in FL statutes to see such information.

BTW - you may want to read the Forum's posting rules
MarkC17 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for the replies. Sorry for not following the posting rules here. I didn't think about there being special rules beyond typical online edicate. I would remove it and redo it but I don't see a place to remove it.
FredW5 (Florida)
Posts: 177
Posted:
Mark.
1:I would not post financials on a community board. Ours has been hacked several times, even though thought secured with passwords and by the IP company. It is virtually inevitable nowadays.

2: By Florida law. all resient have a right to see , receive and inspect all fiancial documents, either at the management company , or via mail requesting the financial. There is a %40.00 per day penaly after 10 days for refusing to provide the documents, with a ten day cap. **

CHAPTER 720
HOMEOWNERS’ ASSOCIATIONS
PART I
GENERAL PROVISIONS
(ss. 720.301-720.316)

**(5) INSPECTION AND COPYING OF RECORDS.—The official records shall be maintained within the state for at least 7 years and shall be made available to a parcel owner for inspection or photocopying within 45 miles of the community or within the county in which the association is located within 10 business days after receipt by the board or its designee of a written request. This subsection may be complied with by having a copy of the official records available for inspection or copying in the community or, at the option of the association, by making the records available to a parcel owner electronically via the Internet or by allowing the records to be viewed in electronic format on a computer screen and printed upon request. If the association has a photocopy machine available where the records are maintained, it must provide parcel owners with copies on request during the inspection if the entire request is limited to no more than 25 pages. An association shall allow a member or his or her authorized representative to use a portable device, including a smartphone, tablet, portable scanner, or any other technology capable of scanning or taking photographs, to make an electronic copy of the official records in lieu of the association’s providing the member or his or her authorized representative with a copy of such records. The association may not charge a fee to a member or his or her authorized representative for the use of a portable device.
(a) The failure of an association to provide access to the records within 10 business days after receipt of a written request creates a rebuttable presumption that the association willfully failed to comply with this subsection.
(b) A member who is denied access to official records is entitled to the actual damages or minimum damages for the association’s willful failure to comply with this subsection. The minimum damages are to be $50 per calendar day up to 10 days, the calculation to begin on the 11th business day after receipt of the written request.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
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Posted By FredW5 on 10/27/2014 7:12 AM
Mark.
1:I would not post financials on a community board. Ours has been hacked several times, even though thought secured with passwords and by the IP company. It is virtually inevitable nowadays.

Granted, a website will likely be hacked at some point in time.
However, I don't have a problem putting financials on the website.

I agree with placing them in a members only area, but there is typically nothing in a financial report that would be a concern if it got out.

Now, I would not place individual lot ledgers on the site. However, there are several companies that do this as part of their pay online services. One would simply hope that they have better website security then a site ran by volunteers.
FredW5 (Florida)
Posts: 177
Posted:
Tim, Thanks for the reply. Our Financials include all homeowners' addresses and e-mails, phones etc and how much they have paid in dues. That is the danger as far as our community documents was concerned. So we stopped such practice of posting on website. I don't know if such items appear in others financials.
Fred
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Fred,

Based on what is in your financials, I would not post that on the web.

Our financials, which are included as part of the minutes of every board meeting, include:

Income/Expense Statement for the operating fund
Income/Expense Statement for the Reserve Fund
Budget summary (adopted vs actual and what is remaining)
EricH8 (Virginia)
Posts: 116
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4
there is typically nothing in a financial report that would be a concern if it got out.

Exactly. The financial report is too boring for the homeowners to read, why would outsiders care about it. Our board put up resistance to releasing the financial reports by saying outsiders might sue us for a made up trip and fall claim. But really we're so broke that our financial reports should be good lawsuit repellent.
MarkC17 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Our financial report is just a list of the checks written; to whom and for how much; plus a monthly and YTD accounting of income and expenses and account balances. No Personal information at all. These reports generally equal half the monthly newsletter. The newsletter is distributed in large part by placing a stack of them in a non secured metal box in a non secured neighborhood. No confidentiality is even attempted for that document which contains the financial report. Now on the website it is being said to be confidential. Anyone driving down the county road, the association doesn't own the road the county does, could stop at the "News Letter Box" and pick one up. The report has no information that one might think needed to be held in confidence unless you were a vender and you didn't want the competition to know what is being charged for printing or to fix our irrigation system, etc.; in 25 years financial reports and minutes have been made readily available and distributed without any thought of confidentiality.

I have now heard from a Florida attorney who says the documents are official documents but he doesn't see any grounds for considering them confidential with exception of the minutes from an attorney client protected meeting. I know from past experience that those type minutes are not even given to the homeowners / members.

It all makes sense to me. thank you to all who responded today!

Sorry for not following the forums guidelines. I'll do better next time.

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