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JonL3 (Mississippi)
Posts: 3
Posted:
One of the prior developers in our Mississippi community, liquidated his remaining lots 3 months after paying annual dues. The closing attorney was notified prior to closing to collect the dues from the new owner and refund pro-rated dues to the seller as part of closing. This did not happen.

The seller now is asking the HOA for a refund of pro-rated past dues for the balance of the year.

Question, is the HOA responsible for dues refund to the seller and then collecting from the new buyer or is the seller responsible for collecting from the buyer?

Our covenants are unclear in this situation, only stipulating that the dues are the personal obligation of the owner at the time they are due.

I cannot find a clear reference to this in Mississippi statues.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you!
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
I handle HOA escrows for my company and this has come up a few time. We ALWAYS refer them back to the escrow company. We only handle whole term, whether annual, quarter or month.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Want to make sure we understand the situation. The developer/seller sold off his 3 lots. He then had paid the dues up the end of the year. The buyer then bought the lots before the end of the year was up. Which means the new buyer was responsible for the dues from the point of sale to the end of the year. That means the seller/developer believes is owed a pro-rated amount of the dues they paid from point of sale to end of year.

The HOA can NOT collect double dues on the property. I would have to say the HOA is responsible for returning the seller the prorated dues. However, the also must make sure the new buyer is paying the dues and is up to date. The new buyer will be the one to go after for unpaid dues.

Hopefully, the buyer is not under the impression their dues were paid up to the end of the year. If that is the case, then that is between the seller and the buyer. It should have been in their contract which means BOTH parties are paid up to the end of the year.

Former HOA President
JonL3 (Mississippi)
Posts: 3
Posted:
The developer/Seller paid his dues to our HOA on time July 1st. Around October 7th, he sold his remaining lots and failed to collect any refunds from the buyer and is now asking the HOA to refund dues to him and try to collect from the buyer.

We are not tying to collect double dues from any one. It has been our position that the owner who paid the dues at time of assessment should have collected any refunds from the buyer at closing.

We have no idea yet what the buyer impression was at the closing. When you mention the "their contract" are your referring to the closing documents?

I am trying to find the correct legal rules in this situation. Is the HOA responsible for a refund to the seller and then to collect from the buyer, or is the seller responsible for collection from the buyer?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jon

I am not nor do I play lawyer.

I say the dues refund like pre-paid tax refunds are between the seller and the buyer. None of the HOA's business.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 10/16/2014 8:46 AM
I say the dues refund like pre-paid tax refunds are between the seller and the buyer. None of the HOA's business.

Agree with John. Not the HOA's business.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
We do the same as Richard.

The HOA really has zero knowledge of what deals were or were not made prior to closing or at closing. It's an issue between the new owner, previous owner, Realtors and closing company.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By JonL3 on 10/16/2014 7:14 AM
One of the prior developers in our Mississippi community, liquidated his remaining lots 3 months after paying annual dues. The closing attorney was notified prior to closing to collect the dues from the new owner and refund pro-rated dues to the seller as part of closing. This did not happen.


Agree with others that this is not an HOA issue. From what I can determine here, it is common for the closing agent to pro-rate the dues by collecting from the buyer and crediting the seller. This happens at closing and the HOA is not involved. Did the closing agent contact the association to find out the status of dues? If so, and the association said they were paid through the end of the year, that info might have been relayed to the buyer, you can't renege on that assertion.

Also note that the fact that the seller was a developer has no bearing on the issue.

The seller's recourse would be with the closing attorney.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
The only way the HOA would be in a proper position to issue a refund is if someone overpaid them.

If the seller AND the buyer both paid dues, then a refund is due to someone (the current owner I would think).

If dues were not overpaid, the HOA doesn't have anything to refund.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I work 3rd shift and did not have all my thoughts together. It dawned on me that it doesn't matter to the HOA. It's between the owner and the seller. The HOA doesn't give refunds unless there was an overpayment. Which is not the case here. The seller paid the dues and the new owner happened to be able "cash-in" on this benefit. The new owner will be responsible to pick up the next year.

The seller issue may be they want a refund because they did pay out the money. However, they needed to put that in the contract with the buyer. The HOA only cares they have their dues paid for. Who paid them doesn't matter as long as they are up to date and paid.

Price of doing business sometimes...

Former HOA President
JonL3 (Mississippi)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you everyone. We are taking the position that it is between the buyer and seller. Will post back if the seller pushes it to a legal matter.

THANKS!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Word of advice... Don't let it be the HOA bringing "legal action". Suing a HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. The HOA if presented with a lawsuit should repeat that first. After that, they should say "See you in court" then file a counter-claim for any costs related to situation IF they file a lawsuit. Do NOT be the party to bring the lawsuit. It's less expensive to counter-sue and gives you all a better chance of expense recovery.

Former HOA President

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