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DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
We are a condo community of 104 units in GA, with very high water bills.
I'm on the Board and budget constraints make submettering too costly to implement
at this time. The board is talking about Ratio Utility Billing, (RUB).
A Utility billing company will figure a price for water usage, for each unit and
bill each homeowner monthly for a $3 service charge. No up-front money is necessary.
Have any of you used this method to help with your bottom line.
Another method I heard of is (TABS), Trend Analysis Billing System.
Can you offer any advise on this?
Thanks
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Dotti, first off can you do it? Our Covenants for instance specify water and sewage will be included in our annual assessment but also specifies a mechanism by which we can add individual metering. If your Covenants don't have a similar provision then in my lay opinion you would first have to amend your Covenants to allow it. Next you really need to run the numbers to see if it is worth it, instead of paying the company $3. month to bill individually what if you just raised assessments $3. a month to pay for the water.

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FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Not sure I understand. If you don't have submetering you have no idea how much each unit uses. So how do you split costs? And doesn't this this individual billing just add cost?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Dotti

Will you be lowering the dues as a result of the association not paying the water bill anymore? If not, then expect a sever backlash.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredS7 on 10/09/2014 2:57 PM
Not sure I understand. If you don't have submetering you have no idea how much each unit uses. So how do you split costs? And doesn't this this individual billing just add cost?

There will be no perfect formula. Try using square feet and what about the one person in a 2,000 sq ft unit versus 4 people in a 1200 sq ft unit? Try using # of people per unit and will they give you such information?

I see no slick/clean way to apportion the bill other then equal share per unit and let the exceptions fall where they fall.

DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
We can do it. According to the Utility Billing Company, the $3 service charge is
passed onto the homeowner. The RUB cost does not cover the entire water bill
just a percentage of it, to add a little extra income to the HOA to be used
exclusively toward our high water bills.
The company also tells us, other communities that have implemented RUB, reduce their water
bills because usage goes down. When people have to pay for water they conserve more.
The company tells us there are several ways to compile the monthly fee, by square footage,
number of residents or a combination.
Thanks so much for your help.
DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
That is another question that has come up and we are concerned about that.
We raised our HOA fees last year but our water bills have spiked greatly
and we have fallen behind in our payments. At first we thought we had a leak but
that was not the case. The association will still be paying the water bill
because the Ratio Utility Billing (RUB) only covers a small percentage of the
water bill.
DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
You're right but the company tells us they have methods of figuring an amount.
It's not an amount that covers 100% of their water usage just a portion of it.
It's supposed to be a way of generating money for the HOA to help pay the water bills.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Why do you believe that your water bills are high? How much of the water is being used on the landscaping? It may not be feasible to install meters on every unit but it should be easy to install one on the line used for landscape. You may find that the biggest water waster of all is your own association.

Estimating from my own home (where we ignore the landscaping) water usage in the range of 312,000 gallons per month would be reasonable. (100 gallons per day times 30 days per month times 104 units equals 312,000 gallons per month.) If your usage is substantially more than that and cannot be explained by landscaping, you may have a serious leak.

This whole idea sounds nuts. My guess is that it got started because some guy who lives alone and never showers (which is why he lives alone) is upset because he thinks his assessments are paying for the family of four who has good hygiene. If he is unhappy with the arrangement that he agreed to when he purchased his solution should be to find a place with individual meters.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Dotti, I reiterate does your Covenants allow for this scheme or is water supposed to be part of the assessments? If it is then that is where you need to start, by amending the Covenant to allow it.

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DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:

Thanks John, that seems fair. I'll pass that on to the Board.
DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
We turned off the irrigation system for a year now, so it is not being used for landscaping.
The RUB is the suggestion from our Property Manager. We have a Management company.
DottiC (Georgia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Water is part of our assessments and yes our covenants allow it.
Our problem is our fees are not covering our maintenance cost
and one of our biggest cost is water.
We raised our fees last year and are trying not to raise then
again this year.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Dottie

The more you post, the more I think your association is in more financial trouble then just the water bill. You say you are behind and your income does not cover your out go (Operational Expenses). What are you doing about Reserve Funding for the future?

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Hi Dotti
When was your condo built?
How many buildings do you have, and how many units are in each building?
Thanks.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:

Quote:
Posted By DottiC on 10/09/2014 11:50 AM
The board is talking about Ratio Utility Billing, (RUB).
A Utility billing company will figure a price for water usage, for each unit and bill each homeowner monthly for a $3 service charge. No up-front money is necessary. Have any of you used this method to help with your bottom line.
Another method I heard of is (TABS), Trend Analysis Billing System.

We have been studying and implementing water conservation measures for the last couple of years. I am not familiar with RUB or TABS. But I did look them up.

TABS appears to make sense in the commercial retail setting. They have collected lots of data on what each type or retail operation uses. So an 800 s.f. shoe repair shop typically uses so much water (or electricity or other utility) and a 3,000 s.f. toy store uses so much water. This information is then used to estimate usage for the retail tenants.

RUB appears to make sense in a residential rental setting. They typically calculate fees and track move in and move out dates. Fees can be based on number of beds, bedrooms, s.f., or other factors.

In both of these settings, the landlord typically has the leverage and the tenant does not. If you don't like the program, rent from someone else.

As an HOA, you don't have this kind of leverage and you should expect a lot of push back.

One issue we faced is that some of our owners live here only 6 months a year. When water was part of the general fees, we never had any objections. But once you break things down to the level of water usage, those who go south for the winter object to paying for services they don't use. Then we have those who go away for a month. What do we do about them? And once we open that door, are we going to be tracking everyone's vacation. Some will demand it. Others will object to it. There is also a point where people think we are intruding on their lives if we ask for too much info.

There are no simple answers. Much depends on how urgent your needs are.


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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DottiC on 10/09/2014 4:11 PM

Our problem is our fees are not covering our maintenance cost
and one of our biggest cost is water.
We raised our fees last year and are trying not to raise then
again this year.

Just whose job is it to assess fees adequate to pay the costs?
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Let me get this straight. You want to change to a scheme where each owner writes a check each month for a fraction of the cost of the water he uses plus a fee. But the bill does not actually depend on how much water he uses. So there is minimal incentive to reduce water use and there is no feedback if he has reduced water use.

A rational person would prefer the original scheme, because he would not have to write a monthly check and he would save the 3 bucks.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DottiC on 10/09/2014 11:50 AM at this time.

There are sub-metering companies out there who will cover the initial capital investment so that there are no up front costs to the HOA. This initial cost is typically amortized over 5 years. The owner is billed for his or her share of this amortization cost plus actual usage plus service fee.

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NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DottiC on 10/09/2014 11:50 AM
budget constraints make submettering too costly to implement
at this time.

There are sub-metering companies out there who will cover the initial capital investment so that there are no up front costs to the HOA. This initial cost is typically amortized over 5 years. The owner is billed for his or her share of this amortization cost plus actual usage plus service fee.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Well, I don't have any suggestions, but this conversation is really fascinating (thank GOD my community doesn't share a meter!)

Here in Indianapolis, we recently had a situation where an HOA is set up the same way as yours and unfortunately, they have a huge rate of delinquencies. The water company finally sent disconnect notices to everyone, and as you can imagine, all hell broke loose. The Board scrambled and somehow found enough money to stop the disconnect, but all the homeowners have to pay a $500 special assessment to cover the past due bills.

When I read the story in the paper, my first thought was "perhaps these folks should bite the bullet and try to have separate meters installed because I'd be mad as hell if I've been paying my assessments all along - and now have to cough up another $500 because nearly everyone else owes money." I hadn't heard of RUB before and don't know if this would be an option for that community - our association attorney also represents them and I might mention this to our president to pass along to them.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
I did a little research and found that there are a lot of companies that offer this billing service. Therefore, encourage your Board to shop around.

Excluding the billing companies websites, I didn't find a whole lot of info. I did find the following article on Ratio Utility Billing System from CA:

Utility Billing Alternatives in Master Metered Apartment Buildings from the CA Apartment Association. It does mention that there have been several unfair business practice lawsuits due to RUBS.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Supposing your HOA did do something like this, crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's, as I understand it the HOA is still the water provider with the RUB company doing the billing. What is the incentive for the homeowner to pay this bill? In almost every state a HOA may not turn off water like a utility can, and in a lot of states you cannot lien or foreclose for nonpayment of a fee. Add to that, that if your assessment includes water then the only equitable way to do this would be to take your annual cost of water and divide it by the number of units and lower the assessments by that amount. That or take the RUB billing amount and lower Condo A's assessment $30.00 per month, Condo B's $23.99 per month etc. Either way IMHO you'll need to raise the assessments anyway to pay for the increased legal fees.

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