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SuzieE (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
I am currently having multiple issues with my HOA & Management. I called management to report a vehicle that was parked on our property with expired tags and asked that it be removed from the property as our ByLaws state that vehicles with expired tags are prohibited from parking on the property. The vehicle belongs to the HOA president and the president has a history of parking such vehicles on the property. The vehicle was parked on our property in “short term parking” and 10 minutes after I made the phone call to management, the vehicle was moved to an assigned parking spot. I called management back and left a VM informing her that the vehicle had been moved to an assigned spot but that it was still on the property so it should still be removed as vehicles with expired tags are prohibited from parking anywhere on the property. I called several more times over the course of the day as the vehicle was still parked on the property and management did not answer or return any of my calls. I also emailed several times and none of my emails were returned. Several days later and the vehicle is still parked on the property. It’s clear that as soon as I reported the vehicle to management, they immediately contacted the president. My issue is that management “warned” the president and won’t enforce the parking bylaws simply because the vehicle belongs to a board member. Management has removed vehicles from the property in the past and has enforced the parking rules but management won’t enforce when the vehicle belongs to the president.
The contact person for our management company is the owner so I can’t contact anyone else from the management company to discuss as they are the only employee.

An additional issue I am having with management and the HOA board is that quarterly board meetings are not being posted. Information regarding the time, date & location of board meetings are only being distributed to board members. The property has less than 10 units and 3 board members. Most of my neighbors show little interest in participating in the meetings so no one else has complained. There have been multiple heated email exchanges between myself and the president. The president emailed me directly and stated board meeting were for board members only so I was not to attend. I forwarded her email to the rest of the board and to management and stated that she was wrong and association members had the right to attend board meetings and that I felt her direct emails were a tactic designed to intimate me. The thing is that since our property is so small and we don’t have a recreational room, board meetings are held in the president’s condo. I’ve emailed the board and management and stated that I am not comfortable with attending meetings on her property since she has sent me harassing and intimidating emails. The response was that 2 of the 3 board meetings agreed to continue to have the board meetings in the president's personal residence and they have since held multiple board meetings (once again without posting location, date or time) in the president’s personal residence. Is there anything I can do to change the location of the meetings since I don’t have the support of the board or management?

Any suggestions or help in handling these issues would be greatly appreciated.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Hi Suzie

Others will respond specifically to CA law which is unique.

I will merely make some general comments.

We apply our abandoned vehicle rule whenever we don't know who the owner is and the vehicle does not have current inspection or tags. We call the police. The police do a search, check if the vehicle is stolen, get in touch with the owner, etc. It's standard procedure. Anyone can make the call to the police, even a homeowner.

When we know who the owner is, we notify that owner directly and ask him to get the vehicle off the streets. In you situation, I see nothing wrong with reaching out to the known owner, but not if the pres is the only one getting such notice.

It is very common for small HOAs to meet in the homes of board members, especially where there is not a clubhouse or other meeting place available. Unlike CA, PA is not an open meeting state. We meet in homes. If a homeowner wanted to sit in, we would invite them into our homes. If it were me, and I realize that I am not in your shoes, I would not hesitate to sit in at someone's house even if personal relations were not that great. You have a right to be there.

We are fortunate that our township offers us their meeting rooms at no charge. So whenever we expect a sizable number in attendance, we go there. You might want to check what is available in your area.

Finally, there is the question of how much your HOA actually does. The fewer services the HOA provides, the more likely your activism is going to be received negatively. Running for the board may be your best solution.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Sizie

The Board of Directors is the authority for running the Association, not the management company. Since the president is the offending party, and unless you can get the two other Board members on the same page as you, then nothing we be done.

If nothing happens, you have elections.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Meant Suzie
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Suzie,

Welcome to the forum. I understand from your posting that you are having the following issues:

1) The Association is not utilizing the towing policy fairly (towing some but not others).
2) Notification of Board meetings are not being posted to the membership.
3) There are conflicts between you and the individual serving as the President of the Association making it uncomfortable to attend Board meetings when they are held in their residence.

It should also be noted that it appears you live within a condominium development.

Please be aware that I am not an attorney and I do not work in the legal profession. I offer advice based on what is in your posting, personal experiences and any research that I may do. If any of those things change, then the advice may change. I'd like to offer the following:

1)As Richard pointed out, the Management company (MC) takes direction from the Board. If the Board says to not tow a vehicle, then the MC will not tow. I, like you and others on this site, agree that it is improper for the Board to selectively enforce the rules of the Association. When a Board does selectively enforce, the options are limited to correct and will unlikely have you make new friends. The options are:

a) Attend a meeting and ask why the Board is making decisions that may open the Association up to litigation based on selective enforcement? It is possible that the other Board members are unaware of this issue and they should be given an opportunity to correct it internally. However, to use this option, emotions need to stay out of the debate. Who owns the vehicle needs to stay out of the debate. Stick to the facts and let the facts speak for themselves. Have documentation - e-mail correspondence, pictures with a time/date stamp, etc. NOTE: Since you have indicated that the vehicle belongs to a Board member, you better have your act together. That is to say, your property and parking better be in compliance with the governing documents. I say this because Board members are human and some humans will (they shouldn't but they will) retaliate. In HOA/COAs, this means reporting every little, tiny violation you have (I'm just trying to make you aware of an unintended consequence of this action).

b) Gather support and either recall or simply not reelect those who are currently serving on the Board. Then replace them with those who will enforce equally. Perhaps you will serve.

c) If you have evidence, and if your vehicle is towed, you could consider bringing legal action. For that, you would need to consult a local attorney to see what your legal options would be.

2) As you are aware, notifications of meetings to the members is indeed a requirement in CA. See Davis-Stirlings meeting notice page for more information. The fix for this is simple, send a letter to the MC with a copy to every board member and the registered agent, that, in accordance with CA Civil Code §4045, and §4040, you are requesting to be notified of all meetings of the Board via e-mail. If they refuse, or fail to inform you you may then make a complaint against the MC license (if they are required to be licensed by the State).

3) You have no say where the Board will hold their meetings. However, you do have a right to attend. It's going to be easier said then done, but don't feel uncomfortable in the President's home. It will likely make the President more uncomfortable then you. To feel better, you could always bring other members with you. However, please remember that when you do attend meetings of the Board, you are an observer. You may only speak when invited to do so (which will likely be during the open forum section of the meeting). Be polite, take notes and observe.
SuzieE (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Thank you all for your responses & advice.
If I can ask a follow-up question:
My husband is already on the board so that is why I can't also run to be on the board. My husband is the third member so that is how I know that meetings are scheduled and held in the presidents residence even though the meetings have not been posted. In addition he has communicated with the rest of the board and management that he doesn't feel comfortable in the presidents residence but the president & other board member agree that the board meetings will continue to be held there. By continuing to have the board meetings in a location that one board member has raised an objection to, could it be argued that he is being selectively excluded and singled out rendering him unable to fully serve the board?
Also, since my husband is on the board, I do know that management did not contact the board regarding this issue & since they have enforced parking issues in the past, this should have been enforced as well or at least the owner should have been advised to move the vehicle off of the property & not allowed to move the vehicle to an assigned parking spot located on the property.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By SuzieE on 10/05/2014 7:04 AM

By continuing to have the board meetings in a location that one board member has raised an objection to, could it be argued that he is being selectively excluded and singled out rendering him unable to fully serve the board?

No. He was simply outvoted.

Has he offered to host the meetings?

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Posted By SuzieE on 10/05/2014 7:04 AM

Also, since my husband is on the board, I do know that management did not contact the board regarding this issue

Every Board is different. However, there is typically one or two individuals that are identified as the liaison between the MC and the Board. Typically these are the Treasurer (for financial issues) and the President. Therefore, it could be that the MC took the issue to the President and the President failed to bring it to the Board. All you really know is that your Husband wasn't informed.

Of course, since you made the complaint, it could be argued that your Husband was informed of the issue.

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Posted By SuzieE on 10/05/2014 7:04 AM

since they have enforced parking issues in the past, this should have been enforced as well or at least the owner should have been advised to move the vehicle off of the property & not allowed to move the vehicle to an assigned parking spot located on the property.

I believe everyone agrees with you. Unfortunately, this does not appear to be what happened (or the MC did advise that and the President ignored it). The best way to resolve those type of issues is to remove the individual from authority by:

1) The Board removing the individual from the Office (they would still be a Director but not an Officer).
2) The members removing the individual from the Board either by recall or simply not reelecting.
3) Members attend the meetings in force asking why things are being done the way they are (sort of peer pressure).
4) Legal action against the Board (which is typically a lose/lose situation and should only be done as a last resort.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SuzieE on 10/04/2014 6:03 PM
I am currently having multiple issues with my HOA & Management. I called management to report a vehicle that was parked on our property with expired tags and asked that it be removed from the property as our ByLaws state that vehicles with expired tags are prohibited from parking on the property. The vehicle belongs to the HOA president and the president has a history of parking such vehicles on the property. The vehicle was parked on our property in “short term parking” and 10 minutes after I made the phone call to management, the vehicle was moved to an assigned parking spot. I called management back and left a VM informing her that the vehicle had been moved to an assigned spot but that it was still on the property so it should still be removed as vehicles with expired tags are prohibited from parking anywhere on the property. I called several more times over the course of the day as the vehicle was still parked on the property and management did not answer or return any of my calls. I also emailed several times and none of my emails were returned. Several days later and the vehicle is still parked on the property. It’s clear that as soon as I reported the vehicle to management, they immediately contacted the president. My issue is that management “warned” the president and won’t enforce the parking bylaws simply because the vehicle belongs to a board member. Management has removed vehicles from the property in the past and has enforced the parking rules but management won’t enforce when the vehicle belongs to the president.
The contact person for our management company is the owner so I can’t contact anyone else from the management company to discuss as they are the only employee.

An additional issue I am having with management and the HOA board is that quarterly board meetings are not being posted. Information regarding the time, date & location of board meetings are only being distributed to board members. The property has less than 10 units and 3 board members. Most of my neighbors show little interest in participating in the meetings so no one else has complained. There have been multiple heated email exchanges between myself and the president. The president emailed me directly and stated board meeting were for board members only so I was not to attend. I forwarded her email to the rest of the board and to management and stated that she was wrong and association members had the right to attend board meetings and that I felt her direct emails were a tactic designed to intimate me. The thing is that since our property is so small and we don’t have a recreational room, board meetings are held in the president’s condo. I’ve emailed the board and management and stated that I am not comfortable with attending meetings on her property since she has sent me harassing and intimidating emails. The response was that 2 of the 3 board meetings agreed to continue to have the board meetings in the president's personal residence and they have since held multiple board meetings (once again without posting location, date or time) in the president’s personal residence. Is there anything I can do to change the location of the meetings since I don’t have the support of the board or management?

Any suggestions or help in handling these issues would be greatly appreciated.

Suzie:

A couple of things will help.

1. Are you a member? That is are you listed as an owner on the deed to your condo.
2. Are you familiar with the Stirling-Davis Act and its updates? If you are a member, you need to write a letter and quote both the CC&R and the state codes that regulate notification of meetings, agendas, etc.
3. If your husband understand these codes, then at each meeting that doesn't meet the legal elements, he should make an objection to the unlawful procedures. Silence is consent.
4. Who is the secretary. You should not be having exchanges with the president. It should be with the secretary. All exchanges should be business-like.
5. Holding the meetings in a private residence is not a problem AS LONG AS everyone is welcome. By everyone, I mean every HOA member. Just having one person object and being over-ruled doesn't mean much. That is democracy in action.
6. The issue with the car would be one of preferential treatment and if others have been fined, then a better argument for having been legally wronged would come for the person who was fined for a similar offense.
7. Should another hearing be held for a similar offense, the offending person could bring this up and even ask that the president recuse his/herself.

You are correct that all members have a right to attend meetings. I had a very similar experience. Ten condos. Three directors on the Board. Neither of us were on the board. The way we got them to open up the meeting was to take them to small claims court. The HOA was fined $600.

On a more positive note, you might try to have your board educate themselves. If your board isn't conforming to California state codes in this respect, there may be other aspects where the HOA is being opened up to legal liability. Ask for educational seminars for all the members.

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