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DonnaA4 (California)
Posts: 18
Posted:

Our Treasurer called a executive session with the board to review and potentially approve the annual operation budget. My understanding is the board must provide the homeowners with at least a 2-day notice prior to an executive session and a 4-day notice for open meetings. Our Treasurer stated she did not want homeowners present as it will slow things down and further "we do not always follow the rules". If I interrupt correctly, given her comment, and as a board member who believes in smart HOA management, I feel it appropriate to put on official record the specifics for meeting notices and agenda per the DS Act. Otherwise if the rules were not written to be implement, why would it be written ? Lastly, if I understand correctly, if the board does not provide proper notice to the homeowners, there can be consequences. For reference the HOA is located in the state of CA.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Hum approve budget, I don't see that on the approved list that ES may be called for unless they are approving contracts but they could go into ES, approve the contract and go into regular session. I don't see any penalties for improper notification, you could sue but chances are the Judge or Referee would simply slap their hands and tell them not to do it again.

Executive Session
Purpose. Executive sessions of the board of directors are provided by statute so boards can address issues involving privileged information and matters of a private nature. As a result, members do not have a right to attend executive sessions. As provided for in Civil Code §4935, boards may go into executive session for the following matters:

1. Legal Issues. Boards may go into executive session “to consider litigation…" Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary defines consider as “to think about something or someone carefully especially in order to make a choice or decision.” Black’s Law Dictionary defines litigation as “A lawsuit. Legal action, including all proceedings.” Based on these definitions both actual and pending litigation fall under the executive session privilege. Meeting in executive session preserves attorney-client privilege, litigation strategy and settlement strategies for current and potential litigation matters. The association's attorney does not need to be present for the board to meet and discuss legal issues.

2. Formation of Contracts. Boards may consider matters relating to the formation of contracts with third parties.

3. Disciplinary Hearings. Boards should meet in executive session for all disciplinary hearings. The accused member is entitled to attend the executive session for that portion of the meeting dealing with member's hearing.

4. Personnel Issues. Personnel matters which include, but are not limited to, hiring, firing, raises, disciplinary matters and performance reviews.

5. Payment Plan. Board may meet with members in executive session to discuss requests by delinquent members for payment plans.

6. Foreclosure. The decision to initiate foreclosure shall be made only by the board of directors of the association and may not be delegated to an agent of the association. The board must approve the decision by a majority vote of the directors in executive session. (Civ. Code §5705(c).)

Form of Meeting. Executive session meetings can be held by any of the following methods:

In Person. Directors can meet in person at a physical location.

Email. Email meetings are prohibited except for emergency meetings.

Telephone-Video. Directors can meet via telephone or video conference. (Corp. Code §7211(a)(6).)

Unanimous Written Consent. A "unanimous written consent" may be used for emergency actions.

Who May Attend. Directors, managers, recording secretaries, association attorneys, members subject to disciplinary action as well as witnesses called by either side (but only for that portion of meeting involving that person), and others invited by the board (such as vendors bidding on a project) may attend executive sessions.

Scheduling the Meeting. Unless otherwise provided in the articles or in the bylaws, executive board meetings may be called by the chairman or president or any vice president or the secretary or any two directors. (Corp. Code §7211(a)1.) An emergency meeting of the board may be called by the president or by any two members of the board other than the president. (Civ. Code §4923) Email discussion of director availability for the meeting as well as the date and time for the meeting is allowed. Scheduling discussions are not deemed "board meetings" and do not violate the Davis-Stirling Act.

Notice to Members. Starting January 1, 2012, members must be given notice of executive session meetings of the board. This is required regardless of anything to the contrary in an association's governing documents.

1. With an Open Meeting. If executive session is held with a scheduled open meeting of the board, it must be included in the open meeting's four-day notice and generally noted in the open meeting agenda.

2. Between Open Meetings. If a meeting is to be held solely in executive session, members must be given notice of the time and place of the meeting at least two days prior to the meeting. Notice must be posted in a prominent place or places in the common areas and by mail to any owner who had requested notice by mail (at the address requested by the owner). In addition, notice may be given by mail, by delivery of the notice to each unit in the development, by newsletter or similar means of communication, or, with the consent of the member, by electronic means. (Civ. Code §4920(b)(2).)

Agenda. Notice of an executive session meeting must contain an agenda for the meeting. (Civ. Code §4920(d).) Because executive sessions are confidential and topics are only generally noted in open meeting minutes (§4935(e)), agenda descriptions should be brief and general in nature. See sample agenda.

Minutes. Boards must keep minutes of their executive session meetings and generally note their sessions in the minutes of the next open meeting of the board.

Violation of Confidentiality. Directors who violate the confidential nature of information gained in executive session are subject to censure, and personal liability for their behavior, i.e., they lose the protections of the Business Judgment Rule.

Read more: Executive Session Defined http://www.davis-stirling.com/tabid/1769/Default.aspx#ixzz3ELG98XPq
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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Since I'm not in California, I can't comment on the notifications regarding Davis-Stirling, but as a former Board treasurer, I don't think this is appropriate at all. If the documents give the board authority to approve the budget, there's no need for an executive session. In fact, those discussions should be done in the open, so no one can accuse anyone of acting in secret (someone should tell this treasurer this is exactly how stupid shit happens in HOAs and they end up on the 6pm news being accused of being a rouge board!)

Homeowners have a right to know where the money's coming from and going, and if they have questions or concerns, they should speak up. As far as "slowing things down" goes, that can be controlled by (1) providing the homeowners with highlights of the proposed budget and giving them a certain amount of time to submit questions and concerns (2) using those comments to further tweak the budget as necessary and (3) approving the budget and telling homeowners why certain approaches were taken.

And if your board "doesn't always follow the rules," she needs to provide more examples and then everyone needs to straighten up and fly right. As you said, the rules are there for a reason and if you're doing things decent and in order, you shouldn't have any issues with the homeowners. It's not so much about everyone agreeing (because they won't), but I found people always appreciate being told what was behind the decision, provided the board didn't just pull something out of its collective ass and expect people to go along with it!


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
DonnaA4 (California)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Thanks for your response. Not approving contracts, simply reviewing numbers and justification for the various categories in the first draft of the operations budget. Not looking to take action such as sue, just smart HOA management. The original example was around the budget meeting but the overall concern is the board member cherry picks which rules, bylaws and policies to follow. The result is the board is often in disagreement and will deadlock. On the flip side, the board member is adamant when a homeowner voices a verbal complaint to put it in writing. Its like I don't have to do this, but you do have you do have to do that. And, we had another concern with how the HOA voting was handled. Again, not in accord with how DS is written.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I see you're on the Board, Donna. Have your read your own bylaws as well as visited davis-stirling.com?

Your bylaws should state who may call a meeting. It & state code, as Glen points out gives the treasurer no authority to schedule a meeting by herself.

Next, as also in Glen's reply, budget meetings may not be held in executive session in CA. Now there may be some aspect of the budget that is confidential, so the Board may adjourn to ES to discuss, e.g., raises for individuals. An example could be a raise for your prop. mgr. (PM) (if you have one).

It's not merely about breaking "a rule," it's about breaking the law! I think you DO want to go on record in that meeting's minutes protesting the use of ES for business that legally must be discussed in front of your fellow homeowners. Use the D-S citation that Glen gave you, or better yet, look it up yourself.

If your have board support, you all can vote her out of the office of treasurer--just takes a simple majority. If the entire board like to play fast & loose with the law, you have quite a task ahead of you as you'd need to get Owners to support you to recall those directors or wait till your next election and get honest folk elected to your Board.

How many are on your Board? How many homes or condos are in your HOA? Do you have a PM?

DonnaA4 (California)
Posts: 18
Posted:

Hi Kerry,

Thanks for your feedback, very helpful.

Its not really about who called the meeting -- there was collaboration between the other board members on the date set. We're good there. It is the "ES - no homeowner -- will slow things down -- we don't follow all the rules" that raised my concern. I am up to speed on what on what DS states, our bylaws are vague (31 years old with no changes EVER). The only increase under discussion at the budget meeting will be for vendors and suppliers. I inquired here because I wanted to see if others have had a similar experience and if so if they proceeded with the meeting and recorded in the minutes as you've suggested, or if another reminder to the board member was needed.

We are a small HOA -- 21 units, 100% self-managed with 3 board members. As much as it might seem easy to manage due to the size, no PM, no attorney, no mediator, lots of dynamics within groups of homeowners, frequent deadlocks by the board, no transition from one board to the next, and a board member who wants to cherry pick which rules to follow.

She has completely ignored my comments-recommendations on the first draft of the budget. It is a "her way or the highway scenario" in all things. Know I have an opportunity to bring up at the budget meeting and not sign-off until we have a quorum. 3rd board member could sway vote, but he's new, and am guessing he'll do the right thing. He'll be shaken up enough from what he will likely need to record in his first meeting minutes!
DonnaA4 (California)
Posts: 18
Posted:

Hi Glen,

I have DS and belong to their newsletter so I'm up to speed there. Its wanted prompted me to send the inquiry as I didn't see budget listed under ES but I guess I didn't do the best job in explaining. This board member does not want to send notification to homeowners for any board meeting .... essentially ES always with the exception of the annual board meeting. So to a reply posted earlier, I think it needs to be recorded in the meeting minutes to avoid repeats.
DonnaA4 (California)
Posts: 18
Posted:
There is still discussion on the budget that needs to take place since in the initial sharing phase it is clear the board members are not in agreement. That may be way in part she wants to hold as ES and use tactics. Whereas I view as an opportunity for the homeowners to weigh in and then the board can vote accordingly. She is also bringing in our bookkeeper which is fine as long as the intent is to discuss the budget which is information she is privy to and needs to know.

Thanks also for the "slowing down things" preventive measures. And yes can't please everyone, but if they know why a decision was made, they will generally accept it and there is closure and that can go along way in keeping noise down in the community.

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