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ScottG7 (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Great site! Thanks! I know my subject has probably been covered many times (that's how I found this site), but wanted to toss it around for the pro's to give me some guidance. We have a very small HOA with only 12 homes that's been in existence for about 21 years. We had made some amendments to the covenants that was voted and approved by all members in the beginning. Recently, we made another change to help prevent owners from skipping out on payment.

After reading several other posts, I see the 'wording' of this type of amendment is specific and carefully written. When making these amendments, what is the process? Do the emailed votes from all members need notarized and given to the county annex to become part of the covenants? My apologies, not sure how to do this and retaining a lawyer would break our meager savings account. We've had 3 homes get away with over $2,000.00; with such a small HOA, it really hurt all of us financially, especially now that we need to fix our private road.

Thank you!
Scott
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Scott,

I see many issues (some actual some perceived some simply only possible) beyond your initial question.

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Posted By ScottG7 on 09/18/2014 10:09 AM

We had made some amendments to the covenants that was voted and approved by all members in the beginning. Recently, we made another change to help prevent owners from skipping out on payment.

I hope that those changes have been recorded with the County so they are attached to the deed.

Worst case, if amendments were made and not recorded it's the same as if the amendment was never made.

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Posted By ScottG7 on 09/18/2014 10:09 AM

When making these amendments, what is the process?

The process would be contained in your actual document or applicable State HOA/COA or Property laws.

Typically it consists of:

1) Amendment suggested at a meeting of the Board

2) Board may seek a legal opinion on the language of the amendment to ensure it's within compliance of applicable laws.

3) Board discusses, may make changes and finally approves a proposed amendment to be brought to the membership.

4) Proposed amendment is published to the membership in accordance with procedures outlined in your governing documents and/or applicable State statutes.

5) Membership votes to approve or disapprove proposed amendment in accordance with procedures outlined in your governing documents and/or applicable State statutes.

6) If adopted by the membership, Board records the amendment with the County (perhaps through an attorney) and publishes a copy of the recorded amendment to the membership.
If rejected by the membership, the results are announced.

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Posted By ScottG7 on 09/18/2014 10:09 AM

Do the emailed votes from all members need notarized and given to the county annex to become part of the covenants?

This depends on the actual language in your governing documents and applicable State statutes.

The County Clerk may be able to assist you on what is required to record the documents. They can't give legal advice but they should be able to tell you what they require.

Here are links that may be of interest to you:

Washington Nonprofit Corporation Act applicable if your association is incorporated as a nonprofit (most are). Check to be sure.

Washington HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS statutes applicable if your development is not a condominium.

Washington Condominium Act applicable if your development is a condominium

Washington HORIZONTAL PROPERTY REGIMES ACT (CONDOMINIUMS) that may or may not be applicable to your Association if the development is a condominium.

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Posted By ScottG7 on 09/18/2014 10:09 AM

My apologies, not sure how to do this and retaining a lawyer would break our meager savings account.

This raises the issue of having an adequate amount of money in the Reserves and if you have an adequate budget for operating funds.

To determine what amount is needed, you would need to do a Reserve Study. Has your Association ever done a study (either on your own or via professional contractor)?

To learn more about Reserve Studies, see the following thread in this forum:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx

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Posted By ScottG7 on 09/18/2014 10:09 AM

We've had 3 homes get away with over $2,000.00; with such a small HOA,

This is a procedural issue (at least in my mind).

The Board should be following the Associations procedures for collecting assessments. If there are no procedures, the Board needs to adopt them. By adopting and following collection procedures, the Association can minimize the impact of those members who chose or are unable to pay. If there are a lot of delinquent accounts, you may need to adjust the budget to make up the differences (which means that those who do pay will be paying more then they would have to if everyone simply paid on time).

Here are some links to various threads on this forum where this issue was discussed (please do not reactivate those threads by replying to any post in them, simply make your comments on this thread or start a new one):

Subject: Dealing with Unpaid Dues/Assessments

Subject: Late Dues Policies

Subject: Collection Policy

I hope this helps,

Tim

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Scott,

Before doing anything else, read what your CC&R's say about amendments. If there is a procedure stated then follow it. There should also be a statement as to what percentage of owners must agree to amendments.

Generally amendments can be effected by a member vote or by a "written instrument." I do not favor voting because it usually puts the board in the driver's seat. The CC&R's should control the board. The board should not control the CC&R's. For those reasons, I will limit my response to written instruments.

The written instrument is simply an explicit statement as to how you wish the CC&R's (or a part of them) to read if the amendment is approved. There should also be a reference to the original CC&R's. Example: "Section C of the Declaration of Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions for Las Ranchitos Grande recorded on page 1234 of book 5678 of the records of Pumphandle County is hereby repealed in its entirety." Or maybe, "Section C shall be amended to read: blah blah." Or you can add a new section D if it does not conflict with any other sections.

Any person can draw up the written instrument and circulate it. With only 12 homes you might just print 12 copies and have each owner sign one. Or you can have multiple homeowners sign a single copy. You should have each owner print his/her name, street address, and lot number then sign and date. Your CC&R's or state law may require that signatures be notarized. If neither requires it then do not worry about it; signatures are good enough.

When you have the required percentage of approvals, you take all the signed pages to the recorder's office and ask that they be recorded. Unless there is language to the contrary in the CC&R's, amendments normally become effective upon recording.

DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
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Posted By ScottG7 on 09/18/2014 10:09 AM
My apologies, not sure how to do this and retaining a lawyer would break our meager savings account. We've had 3 homes get away with over $2,000.00; with such a small HOA, it really hurt all of us financially, especially now that we need to fix our private road.

Thank you!
Scott

Keep in mind that the CCRs are a contract, and just like any other contract disputes can end up being settled in court. One advantage to having a lawyer involved is that they can (hopefully) write the changes so that they have a greater chance of being legally binding and able to stand up when the opposing side has their lawyers trying to pick apart the language.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
ScottG7 (Washington)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you Tim, Larry and Douglas. These are fantastic answers that will give me a path to a solution. Got some serious reading this weekend.... again, thanks! Briefly, are covenants are very loose, spoken in just general terms with no guidelines. We voted early on to make amending the covenants, never recorded. Years later, after becoming a board member, I found some of those initial amends are in violation of a greenbelt that we're responsible to maintain. Not to be 'airing dirty laundry', this is quickly becoming a monster.

I will take all of you input and study this weekend. Coffee is on me! Again, thanks!

Scott

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