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JohnR36 (Arizona)
Posts: 3
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Here is a situation.....1 of our homeowners planted a few trees that were not on the approved list for the HOA...in the cc&r's. Now this said homeowner was issued a violation letter with an application form to make changes to his/her front yard. There was a picture on line which listed the violation. Said homeowner sent the picture the HOA took and mailed it along with the application form and 3 weeks later received a letter of approval from the HOA...stating changes were ok...........Now my question being that said homeowner has approval from HOA to plant said trees can HOA rescind approval and 2 being it's ok for 1 homeowner is it now ok for the other homeowners to plant said unapproved trees??

I need an answer....Thanks ....JOhnny
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Apparently, the issue is the failure to get prior approval before planting the unapproved trees.

As I'm understanding your post, once the unapproved trees were brought to the attention of the Association, the Association sent a violation notice. In response to the violation notice, the member submitted an application for approval after the fact and received approval. This resolved the violation.

Am I understanding your post correctly?

Typically, the only reason why an approval would be considered invalid would be if the approving authority (committee/board) exceeded their authority. For example: If the CC&Rs said no decks and the Association approved a deck, they would have exceeded their authority, as the Board/Committee could not provide a waiver for something that was on the CC&Rs.

When a member acts in good faith, requests approval and approval is granted. If the approval did exceed the authority granted when approving the request, and it's later found out - the member would have suffered damages caused by the Association in granting the approval. Therefore, if the member was made to comply with the governing documents in the future, the member has a fairly good standing in having the Association pay to bring the issue into compliance. Of course, all of this would likely have to be resolved through the courts.
JohnR36 (Arizona)
Posts: 3
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Yes Tim the unapproved trees were approved and the other ho's are receiving violation notices for the same trees. Once a HOA approves something is it automatically grandfathers and part of the hoa cc&r's??
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By JohnR36 on 09/10/2014 4:17 PM
Now my question being that said homeowner has approval from HOA to plant said trees can HOA rescind approval and 2 being it's ok for 1 homeowner is it now ok for the other homeowners to plant said unapproved trees??


The homeowner whose trees were approved would be wise to record the approval. He would also be wise to amend his deed to show that the property is subject to the previously recorded CC&R's and the approval. Once the association has approved something such as the trees and the homeowner relies on that approval, the association would subject itself to civil liability if it were to later rescind the approval. The biggest danger is that, because of poor record-keeping, a subsequent board will deny that approval was sought or granted and that is why the homeowner should file the approval at the county recorder's office.

Granting one approval, especially where the approval was sought after-the-fact, does not obligate the association to grant approval to anyone else. But, if the association approves a bunch of other applications and then denies one they could have a potential lawsuit on their hands.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JohnR36 on 09/10/2014 4:48 PM

Once a HOA approves something is it automatically grandfathers and part of the hoa cc&r's??

No. Grandfathering is not automatic.

However, as I pointed out, if the Association initially said it was approved and now is saying it's no longer approved, the member has a good case to claim damages to bring the issue into compliance.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Posted By JohnR36 on 09/10/2014 4:48 PM

Yes Tim the unapproved trees were approved and the other ho's are receiving violation notices for the same trees.

I suspect that, again, the issue is failure to obtain prior approval. My suggestion is the same as was done by the first member - submit an application after the fact and see what happens.

Within the application, you may want to include a copy of the approval that the other member approved (or if you can find the approval within the minutes) and state that you know that the request is late, however you are not asking for anything that hasn't already been granted to others.

Another option, if you don't have documentation, is to state that you are asking for approval for trees that are the same as have been planted on other lots within the development.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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John,

Just out of curiosity, what kind of trees were planted? What part of AZ are you in?
JohnR36 (Arizona)
Posts: 3
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West Valley and the trees in question are Mexican Fan Palms
NpS (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By TimB4 on 09/10/2014 8:31 PM

Within the application, you may want to include a copy of the approval that the other member approved (or if you can find the approval within the minutes) and state that you know that the request is late, however you are not asking for anything that hasn't already been granted to others.

Good advice. The HOA has an obligation to enforce violations and waivers consistently. They may have a reason for treating you differently, but you are entitled to an explanation why this is so. You may also want to ask when you can expect the tree to be added to your approved tree list.

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DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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Does your board have the legal authority to override the CC&Rs?

Probably not. As such, they had no basis on which to grant approval no matter how much they thought it was the right thing to do.

I would suspect that from a legal basis, approval never really happened.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By JohnR36 on 09/11/2014 6:41 AM
the trees in question are Mexican Fan Palms


Here is a site about them: http://www.sunpalmtrees.com/Cold-Hardy-Palm-Trees-Mexican-Fan-Palms.htm

I think this what the palm tree growing in my backyard is. They grow way too tall for even two-story homes. A few decades from now everyone will regret allowing these trees to be planted as they can grow as high as 80 feet.

What will happen in the future with the trees that John writes about is they will grow tall and drop seeds on all the neighbors' yards. Palm fronds die and turn brown, requiring almost constant pruning. When the trees grow beyond a certain height the owner will no longer be able to prune the dead fronds himself. He will have to hire professionals and the only way the owner can stay in the black is to delay the pruning as long as possible so the treetops will always look like a mess.

The reason I have one in my yard is that two homes away from me a cluster of them has been growing for the last forty years and are now about 40 feet tall. They drop seeds that blow with the wind. One seed landed in my yard years ago before it was my house. My tree is now about 12 feet tall and way too close to the house. Palms like this are useless for shade unless they have been planted in rows and columns like an orchard.

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