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GaryR12 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I am dealing with a somewhat troublesome issue. The rules in the community state specifically that there is a height limit for hedges at 3.5 feet and other controls such as overgrown or unsightly vegetation. The HOA board is claiming that the rules are enforced only if there is a complaint. They state they are fully within their rights to take action against an individual owner for a subjective opinion as to whether the infraction even exists and do nothing about all other neighbors that are equally violating the rule. They have stated this in writing. An illustrating example would be something like, a resident speeds down the street and a neighbor complains to the police, so the police watch the street and see many others do the same, only when the complained about resident appears do they issue a ticket. Is there a rule that specifically says they can't do this? i thought consistent application of rule mattered.
RwT (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
Rarely do the docs. compel the BOD to enforce rules & regulations.

But if/when they do they must be fair and equitable in so doing.

So then make a complaint... problem solved.

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GaryR12 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Well... I drafted a rather blistering two page response outlining the inconsistent application and was primarily interested if there is a quotable legal reinforcement for my position for the state of Florida. It seems to be a common issue that a resident is chummy with or on the board and that persons wishes for an issue to be resolved in their favor and the girls club has no problem seeing it goes that way. I want to legally fight back.
RwT (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:

You said earlier it's a 'rule' you are concerned with.

BOD created and implemented R&Rs are the most difficult to enforce legally.

Often fines are used to remedy these. Then a lien can be placed for those fines if necessary.

You are on your own with regards to any 'state assistance' with this issue.

All the BOD has to do is change the rule and your complaint is moot.

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GaryR12 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for responding this has become another research project. Although I think the rule criteria is out of line it is the uneven enforcement that is the bigger problem. I can have a violating hedge, but you may not. I can call your landscaping unsightly and overgrown and i don't need to quantify the statement in any way. I have searched through the Florida Statutes for information regarding the application of rule and have yet to find any mention that it needs to be a consistent application as opposed to using it as a tool to harass. 720 refers to the HOA's and the others reference timeshares, mobile homes, condos etc. I now have to see if the others refer to the application.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
I don't think there is a "rule" so much as a legal principle. You can inform them that you feel this is selective enforcement, but if they don't go willingly, a judge would have to rule in your favor. This, of course, requires lawyers, lawsuits, etc.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Gary

Are you being altruistic or are you the one that has been cited?
GaryR12 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I have not yet been cited, but the threat has been levied. I assumed that somewhere there was a defined criteria that addressed such things preventing a wayward association from exercising a bias in applying rules, if not what could stop them from simply harassing a minority or other groups. If not spelled out in law one would have no redress. I just haven't found it yet and it surprises me that it should be so difficult.
RwT (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
Gary,

You'll find it in FL SS 720.305.

Good Luck.


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DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
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Posted By GaryR12 on 08/22/2014 5:24 AM
I have not yet been cited, but the threat has been levied. I assumed that somewhere there was a defined criteria that addressed such things preventing a wayward association from exercising a bias in applying rules, if not what could stop them from simply harassing a minority or other groups. If not spelled out in law one would have no redress. I just haven't found it yet and it surprises me that it should be so difficult.

Addressing things based on complaints isn't necessarily all that bad.
What the board should do is realize "hedges are an issue, we better assess them all" rather than single anyone out based on a complaint.

The simple redress for you is to formally complain about the other conditions that are equivalent to yours. If the board acts on someone else's complaint, but refuses to act on your identical complaint, you should have a pretty solid case for seeking relief in court. Much better than if someone complained about A and you complained about B.
GaryR12 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks I missed it on the first read and will go there now.
GaryR12 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
That was my take on it and that is what I did, although I honestly feel that it would be detrimental to the neighborhood. I am pushing it to make the point. The Board would be despised for forcing so many to mutilate their beautiful shrubbery.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GaryR12 on 08/22/2014 6:50 AM
That was my take on it and that is what I did, although I honestly feel that it would be detrimental to the neighborhood. I am pushing it to make the point. The Board would be despised for forcing so many to mutilate their beautiful shrubbery.

Whether they're rules enacted by the board, or regulations in the official HOA documents, there will be a way to change them. Generally it involves a petition/vote of the members. If compliance with the written rules will give a lot of people heartburn, it should be relatively straightforward (if a total pain process-wise) to have them changed. In either case, your documents will tell you how to go about it.

Board-enacted rules being the easier of the two to overturn.

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