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TaraR (Arizona)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Here’s the situation. On Monday, one of the three board members resigned. Today (after a 48 hour posting) I was supposed to be voted in as the third member. One hour prior to the scheduled meeting, the other two members resigned (very good thing).

The owner of the PM called me and said that I will not be on the board because there are no members left to make the vote. He said the PM would act as the board until the next annual meeting. That meeting is scheduled for 7 weeks from now. When I asked, if we don’t meet the ¾ quorum, how is a new board elected? The owner couldn’t answer until he consults with the association’s attorney. Further, I can’t relate this situation to anything in my bylaws or CC&R’s to help guide me.

I think the reason for the members resigning is because on Monday’s meeting, they motioned and accepted to place a special meeting to impose a $1400 assessment for our pool and streets. This board has been known to spend nearly $14,000 in unnecessary items over this last year (which put us deeper into the $$ hole). I’m sure they are realizing that once homeowners get wind, there is going to be some frustration. So I’m thinking this ex-board (as of today) is bailing before that heat wave hits!

Has anyone ever been in this circumstance? If there are volunteers, can the PM not appoint them? Should I be concerned about the PM in control?

Any ideas or suggestions would be wonderful.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
I might have a "bias" here, but under NO circumstance would I allow the PM to appoint any Directors to the HOA.

I would request that the PM immediately convene a special meeting of the membership for the sole purpose of the membership electing directors to either serve the remainder of the vacant terms, or to act as trustees until a full election can be executed. One is similar to the other, in the above - but this is taking into account that sometime 2/3's majority by membership is difficulty to muster, under normal circumstances.

Since you have a PM, I would also suggest that if your legal counsel is properly "screened" (as in was hired by membership, and not PM), that you can temporarily appoint them as 'trustees' to oversee the PM and any other matters that need attention until the above meeting takes place. This will add a "checks and balances" to the period until membership regains control.

Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
Also, after the membership regains control (and again a slight bias here), I would recommend that you have a full audit conducted on the HOA books. Might be an unecessary expense, but well worth the comfort of knowledge that the HOA's funds, and previous board actions are transparent.
MikeM8 (North Carolina)
Posts: 13
Posted:
If I’m not mistaken here in North Carolina, by law the board cannot just quit. In your documents, it should state the minimum number of board members. If this is the case, your PM should tell the former board this. The former board can resign & name replacements, then they can go on their merry way.

BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Tara, what State?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I have to go to work but wanted to post quickly. I've been there before. All my board members either moved or weren't qualified to be board members in the end. I even moved out of my HOA (used home as rental) toward the end of my term!
Do NOT allow your PM to control anything. Instead request a "special meeting" amongst the homeowners. Make the meeting specifically FOR ELECTIONS and NOT business. You can't really talk business until you get a board in place and a quorum. You may need a majority of homeowner's to show up or give proxy votes for the election. I would suggest asking for names NOW who are interested in running and post those names prior to the elections. That way the proxy voters will be able to select and others know who's running.
The HOA is supposed to run by the desires of the homeowners. The board is supposed to represent the owners desires. So ya need to get a board or atleast a President from the homeowner's willing to takeover. A PM is typically a SUB-Contractor to the HOA and are to do the will of the board and what their contractual agreed to be responsible for.

Former HOA President
TaraR (Arizona)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Thanks for all your posts.

My association is in Arizona. In our documents, it does state a min. of 3 board members at odd number can serve. It also says that the board has the right to hire a management company, but nothing in regards of them controlling if all board members resign.

At this time, I'm not concerned about fraud. Each month when financials are approved, I request a copy. I'm an accountant and have been keeping a close eye for 8 months now. The board has been spending money on our community. Our documents allow them, they just run up a balance or take a loan exceeding $5,000. But needless to say, they have the right to drain our funds.

Would it be going to far if I contacted the association’s attorney? Our last two board meetings have been in their office, which I attended. The attorney did give me his business card.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
No, contacting the HOA legal counsel would not violate anything. If your counsel realizes... legal counsel is the association/membership's attorney, who speak thru the board. While you do not want all members contacting legal counsel when there is a problem (the reason we elect boards), in contrast if there is a board issue which legal counsel has conflict, they must contact membership, as membership is their "client." In your situation, contacting legal counsel is a wise decision.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Tara, if I were you I would contact the two Board members and request they hold off their resignation until they hold a special Board meeting to appoint you to fill the open position and 1 or 2 other members to fill their positions upon resignation. Then they can resign and the appointees can elect officers and conduct the association's business. The new Board can decide if the $1400 assessment is needed prior to the annual meeting. If not, they can vote to cancel or modify it prior to the annual meeting.

So if you can not get the Board members to rescend their resignation then ask them to provide in writing appointment of you to fill the open Board position with a date preceding their date of resignation. Then you can appoint 1 or 2 other members to fill their open positions. If neither of them is willing to do this then contact the association attorney for advice.

The management company does not have the authority to run the association. They should be working with you to resolve this situation without putting themselves at risk.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Tara:

When I was doing portfolio management, I had one board that resigned one by one; the first because he could not make the meetings; the second was a substitute teacher who got a full time teaching position. The last had set up a home business as well as her day job and didn't have time any more. I told her that I would not accept her resignation until I could find some people for her to appoint; I found two, got the paperwork all in order for her to sign, and once she signed on for appointing two people to the board, then she resigned.

Resignations handed in do not have to be accepted...the PM should have told the last one still in, to wait. Roger's advice is good, have the last one appoint you and then you can appoint others. One thing to do, is to decide on terms of office for each (who's replacing whom on the board?) so you have clarity regarding which spot(s) will be up for election at the next meeting.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
I'm wondering: If a resignation has to be accepted by someone, who accepted these last two resignations? Seems like at least one of them is still in office. So no need to backdate anything (shame on you Roger) Sounds like this PM is full of themselves. Where is it stated anywhere that the PM can run the association in lieu of a board? If these last two refuse to do anything, and so your HOA ends up being without any board members, the court could be petitioned to supply a receiver. Then you'll begin to see the expenses. If you get elected or appointed to the board, first order of business should be to find another PM. Harold
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS1 on 04/27/2007 10:43 AM
I'm wondering: If a resignation has to be accepted by someone, who accepted these last two resignations? Seems like at least one of them is still in office. So no need to backdate anything (shame on you Roger) Harold

The By-laws with which I am familiar do not require acceptance of a Board members resignation. However, they do require a resignation to be submitted in writting. But with no Board members left, to whom is a resignation submitted? Someone needs to be in charge!

I believe it is proper for the Board members who were going to appoint her to put their appointment in writing with the date being when they advised her. You may consider it backdating under these circumstances; I don't. I call it a viable solution considering the circumstances.

BTW Harold, who would petition the court when there are no Board members? And during the intervening time until there is a court hearing (often months) who conducts the business of the association? This is not an acceptable solution to their problem IMO.
BarbaraS12 (New Mexico)
Posts: 9
Posted:
I am a former Board member who has moved from the area and is renting my unit. I have just received an email from the present Board stating that elections were not held because of lack of attendance. Board members then resigned. The email also stated that no HOA bills would be paid because there was no one to pay them. What now?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
contact your attorney

contact your secretary of state (the corporation IS registered)

petition for a court appointed receiver

you are either:

COMPETANT ~ OR ~ NOT COMPETANT

if you believe yourself to be competant -> grow up and take action

if not

quit your f#$%^&*g b@#$%^&g
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is an old post. Please make a new topic. Thank you.

Former HOA President
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
ps.

involuntary servitude has been abolished

the 'acceptance of a resignation' merely affects severance pay and/or 'parachutes'

any (non uniformed) person may quit any job at any time (in times of peace)

since hoa bods are UNPAID they absolutely may quit at any time

imo: if one happens to be the 'last man standing' one should 'post' the same on any bulletin boards and or clubhouse AND also send a copy of the resignation to one's secretary of state

IN ADDITION TO NOTIFYING THE REGISTERED AGENT

(one of the reasons for having a RA)

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