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RobertA5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Hope you all can help with this. I have looked thru different posts but could not find any conclusive answer.
This will deal with Commercial vehicles. Our Covenant states the following:
No commercial vehicles EXCEPT standars passenger cars and pickup trucks USED IN TRADE shall remain over night on any Lot.
I live in a small HOA (84 homes), I have lived here for 9 years now and work for a utility company and have always brought home a company vehicle. Fist they were a van with ladder racks and lights on the top and Logoed on both sides, cones on the front and back and a large water jug strapped to the back. As I advanced in the company I was given a pickup truck with a boom on the back (Ford F-350 truck. This I started bringing home in 2001, At which time I was on the ARC as Chairman, I have always been told by previous board members that these vehicles did not fit the covenant and so I was never cited for being in violation. In Feb 2002 I was elected to the BOD for a 3 year term (I had this said vehicle full time 24/7) nothing was ever said. In 2003 I was made President (mistake)still had this said vehicle. Well during this year a complaint was made in reference to a shed being put up in a backyard (our CC&R's states no outbuildings allowed), homeowner was written they were in vioolation and had to remove said shed but was also given the oppurtunity to come to Board meeting and state there case and the complaintant was also asked to come. Well all past Boards allowed certain things to bee done behind a 6 foot Fence you could not see thru even if it was against the CC&r's. But there are countless other sheds behind homes that you can see from the road but they are never questioned nor does anybody know when these were erected. Anyway after the disscussion at the Board meeting it was determined from the whole board to allow homeowner to keep the shed. The one Board member was on the Board basically since the beginging. After this started all kinds of complaints coming in for just about anything and these complaintants wanted everything by the book or they were going to sue. I became the biggest target of all. These complaintants started calling my job, which my job was okay with it as long as at the present time there was no violation.
In 2004 these individuals sued the HOA and myself for numerous things (I was still on the BOD)since they could not get there way. They sued over Boats, Trailers, Fences, sheds, commercial vehicles and saying we held illegal meetings. This suit went on and on and it finnally became just a case against me with my vehicle, they did not want to pursue on the other issues.
In 2005 there were 2 new Board members elected who were friends with the Plaintiffs, about 2/3 of the way thru this year they decided to make my vehicle illegal in here. These new directors also wrote my job and also stated that this vehiclewas causing extra wear and tear to the roadways. So now my job did not want any kind of liabilty on them so I had to quit taking home my vehicle untill all this was settled. This just caused more chaos since now the attorney who was representing the HOA was no split, she could not go back and now say that this was all illegal so she had to resign and new attorneys appointed. So this went on and on again. Finally we get a court date set and the night before the court date the Plaintiffs drop all charges. So now we have no settlement. the final disposition to this was CASE DISSMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.
So my question to you all is. After being told by previous Boards there was no violation and only because these homeowners got mad and sued and there friends got on the Board nad they wanted me to just give in to the lawsuit and settle it so it would go away. But I stood my ground the whole time. The only persons out any money were the Plaintiffs. All our attorny fees were paid by the Insurance company. Can my vehicle now after all this time be in violation? If so then every year when a new Board is elected if they did not like the previous Board interpretations they can just change them?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Robert, I don't think it is a question of different interpretations of the restrictions. A violation is a violation no matter how much time has passed. Do you really consider a Ford F-350 truck with a boom on the back to be a pickup truck? It appears that the Board members, including you, have had a poor record of enforcing violations of restrictions for several years.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Robert:

Rule number #1 of being on the board is to make sure your property is by the letter of the law. I say that because when and if you try to enforce anything they will look at your property and will nitpick it apart. That happened to me recently, someone had a request denied and immediately became the neighborhood vigilante, driving around, sending my anonymous letters about stupid stuff. I have tried from day one to make sure I am ok, so they couldn't come up with anything on me.

Second rule: don't tempt fate. You are lucky that they didn't pursue the lawsuit more vigorously. As Roger said it sounds like your board and previous boards never enforced anything and you can get in trouble for that. Yes, your truck is in violation, just because it hasn't been enforced doesn't mean you are ok to do it.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Robert:

On one hand, I agree with the wisdom dispensed above; the HOA should enforce the covenants (which it sounds like your HOA has a history of not doing), and if you are going to be on the board, you need to make sure that you have everything in order, since it is possible that someone who is denied, or against whom a violation is lodged, will strike back.

That said, I used to manage an HOA where one of our residents worked for our local electric utility and had a work truck (not pickup) with a bucket on it, that he drove to & from work, since he was on call 24/7/365. All the Board did, was to require that he park the truck off the street and on his driveway. This was an exceptional case where the Board felt that prudence was called for; they chose to document the situation with a letter to the owner.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
RobertA5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
JM2, Roger and Brad,

Sorry I did not respond sooner but have been working 16 hours a day, Anyway you all seem to agree that this is a violation and previous Boards did not enforce it. Well the original Board used the state definition for commercial vehicle which was anything over 26,00o lbs, carried 16 or more passengers or carried hazardous materials. Now thats how they interpreted it, so because there reasoning would be different than yours are they wrong. I wish the Plaintiffs did not drop the law suit because 2 of the Plaintiffs were former Board members who while on the Board could of enforced this the way they wanted it in the Law suit.
Now JM your Board seems very reasonable and seems like they are willing to work with individuals. That sounds like how Homeowners should work together
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertA5 on 04/28/2007 6:36 AM
Well the original Board used the state definition for commercial vehicle which was anything over 26,00o lbs, carried 16 or more passengers or carried hazardous materials. Now thats how they interpreted it, so because there reasoning would be different than yours are they wrong.

Yes, the previous Board was wrong. For staters the CC&Rs did not state commercial vehicles, so the states definition of commerical vehicles does not even apply. Furthermore, if it did apply the Covenants can be (and are) more restrictive than those state guidelines.
HaroldS1 (Arizona)
Posts: 314
Posted:
Robert - move to Arizona or request your state legislature adopt our new Arizona law regarding public service vehicles. This was just passed, and signed and becomes effective July 14th.
AN ACT

AMENDING SECTION 33-1809, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES; RELATING TO PLANNED COMMUNITIES.

Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:

Section 1. Section 33-1809, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to read:

33-1809. Parking; public service and public safety emergency vehicles; definition

A. Notwithstanding any provision in the community documents, an association shall not prohibit a resident from parking a motor vehicle on a street or driveway in the planned community if the vehicle is required to be available at designated periods at the person's residence as a condition of the person's employment and either of the following applies:

1. The resident is employed by a public service corporation that is regulated by the corporation commission or a municipal utility and that THE PUBLIC SERVICE CORPORATION OR MUNICIPAL UTILITY is required to prepare for emergency deployments of personnel and equipment for repair or maintenance of natural gas, electrical, TELECOMMUNICATIONS or water infrastructure, the vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating of twenty thousand pounds or less and is owned or operated by the public service corporation or a municipal utility and the vehicle bears an official emblem or other visible designation of that THE PUBLIC SERVICE corporation OR MUNICIPAL UTILITY.

2. The resident is employed by a public safety agency, including police or fire service for a federal, state, local or tribal agency or a private fire service provider or an ambulance service provider that is regulated pursuant to title 36, chapter 21.1, and the vehicle has a gross vehicle weight rating of ten thousand pounds or less and bears an official emblem or other visible designation of that agency.

B. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "TELECOMMUNICATIONS" MEANS THE TRANSMISSION OF INFORMATION OF THE USER'S CHOOSING BETWEEN OR AMONG POINTS SPECIFIED BY THE USER WITHOUT CHANGE IN THE FORM OR CONTENT OF THE INFORMATION AS SENT AND RECEIVED. TELECOMMUNICATIONS DOES NOT INCLUDE COMMERCIAL MOBILE RADIO SERVICES.

APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR APRIL 16, 2007.

FILED IN THE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE APRIL 16, 2007.
RobertA5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:

Roger,
When I read our Covenant, unless my English is wrong it states "Commercial Vehicles", thew following states our Covenant:
"No commercial vehicles EXCEPT standard passenger cars and pickup trucks USED IN TRADE shall remain over night on any Lot." Yes the CC&R's can be more restrictive but is it wrong for people to work with eachother. Now I have read some other CC&R's from different HOA's and they are more elaborate on there definitions so to eleviate the possibility of this type of situation. When you look at a states Law Book they have a definition section so that you may understand just how the terms are to be used for that particular section. Our CC&R's do not have that nor do alot of them out there. It seems newer ones are being written more clearly for individuals to understand. Just remember when your Power, A/C, internet, cable etc... are out and you and your neighbors call in and it takes and Hour and Half for someone to respond, just think of the worker who has to drive 10-20 miles to get his truck and then drive back to a mile from his house to just start working when he could of been there in 10 to 15 minutes. People who pay these utility companies Electric, Phone and Cable all expect quality and prompt service. The individuals who have the responsibilty to respond after hours should be given leinency when they are on call.

RobertA5 (South Carolina)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Harold thanks for the post. I will pass this along to one of our state senators.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertA5 on 04/28/2007 6:16 PM

Roger,
When I read our Covenant, unless my English is wrong it states "Commercial Vehicles", thew following states our Covenant:
"No commercial vehicles EXCEPT standard passenger cars and pickup trucks USED IN TRADE shall remain over night on any Lot." Yes the CC&R's can be more restrictive but is it wrong for people to work with eachother.

You are correct, it does say "no commercial vehicles EXCEPT STANDARD PASSENGER CARS AND PICKUP TRUCKS." As I asked before - do you think your truck qualifies as a pickup truck? I don't. It is not wrong for people to work together but I think it is wrong for the Board to ignore restrictions or try to twist their meaning to their advantage.

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