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LorayneJ (Florida)
Posts: 1
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I spoke with a friend this morning who lives in a 27 unit HOA that allows pets. She has two small dogs and believed they were both allowed when she moved in (in March 2014). She now learns that only one dog is allowed. She has one of the dogs as an emotional support animal (has a letter from her doctor). The board has "decreed" that she must get rid of one of her dogs. She has filed with mediation, and is being harassed by the board. She cannot sleep & is now on medication for this. Note: There are 3 other owners with 2 pets (one is a board member)... Does anyone have advise for her?
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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She could petition for a rule/regulation change, following the HOA rules for doing so.
("One dog" seems like an arbitrary and pointless rule to me)

Otherwise, there isn't much she can do. So called "emotional support" animals are not a protected class in any way shape or form, doctor note or not.

If the board fails to enforce the same rules against other members, she has potential grounds for a discrimination suit. But that still doesn't mean she can keep the 2nd dog.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By DaveD3 on 07/24/2014 11:23 AM
So called "emotional support" animals are not a protected class in any way shape or form, doctor note or not.

The ADA (which does not apply to HOA's) and the FHA (which does) define "service animals" differently.

From the Fair Housing/Equal Opportunity Bulletin Bulletin FHEO-2013-01 published April 25, 2013:

"An assistance animal is not a pet. It is an animal that works, provides assistance, or performs
tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability, or provides emotional support that alleviates
one or more identified symptoms or effects of a person's disability."

You sometimes wonder if the two organizations are part of the same government.
RayC4 (Virginia)
Posts: 173
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Posted By LorayneJ on 07/24/2014 9:02 AM
There are 3 other owners with 2 pets (one is a board member)

If she is interacting with the Board, however unamicably, she must have some explanation of why these three owners are 'exceptions' to the rule. What is it?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Request how the other members are able to keep 2 pets when they are trying to force her to only have one (i.e. selective enforcement) and see what they say?

Emotional support argument likely wouldn't fly. That argument is typically when no pet are allowed. She would be able to keep the emotional support dog and not the other one.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Lor

One way out of this might that she agrees that when one pet dies, she will not replace it thus only having one. Something like this is something both sides can hang their hats on.

She gets to keep both pets. The HOA can say what did you want us to do? Order the extermination of a pet?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/24/2014 5:04 PM

One way out of this might that she agrees that when one pet dies, she will not replace it thus only having one. Something like this is something both sides can hang their hats on.

John, That sounds like a fair compromise. Hopefully Lorayne's Board will see it as that. The fact that others have two pets may be enough to have the compromise occur.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Posted By BruceF1 on 07/24/2014 1:59 PM
Posted By DaveD3 on 07/24/2014 11:23 AM
So called "emotional support" animals are not a protected class in any way shape or form, doctor note or not.

The ADA (which does not apply to HOA's) and the FHA (which does) define "service animals" differently.

From the Fair Housing/Equal Opportunity Bulletin Bulletin FHEO-2013-01 published April 25, 2013:

"An assistance animal is not a pet. It is an animal that works, provides assistance, or performs
tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability, or provides emotional support that alleviates
one or more identified symptoms or effects of a person's disability."

You sometimes wonder if the two organizations are part of the same government.

Would you explain or provide the information as to why the ADA does not apply to an HOA? It would seem that it would override any CCR. Thanks in advance!
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By CyrstalB on 07/25/2014 3:55 AM
Would you explain or provide the information as to why the ADA does not apply to an HOA?

From the ADA website:

"Title III prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability in the activities of places of public accommodations (businesses that are generally open to the public and that fall into one of 12 categories listed in the ADA, such as restaurants, movie theaters, schools, day care facilities, recreation facilities, and doctors' offices) and requires newly constructed or altered places of public accommodation—as well as commercial facilities (privately owned, nonresidential facilities such as factories, warehouses, or office buildings)—to comply with the ADA Standards."

Residential common interest communities are not places of public accommodation (no more than your home is), so the ADA does not apply.

However, the Fair Housing Act does require common interest communities to make reasonable accommodations for persons with disabilities. This does not mean, for example, that an association has to install wheelchair ramps throughout the community as might be required by the ADA. It does mean that, if the CCRs normally would prohibit such an attachment to the exterior entrance of a unit, it must allow such a ramp to be installed to a particular unit if the disabled owner requires it and requests it. The association need not pay for the ramp. It must be paid for by the person requesting it and it must be removed when the disabled person no longer lives in the unit.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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The woman moved into her condo after having signed an agreement acknowledging the condo rules outlining a one pet policy. When caught, this seems to have become a disability issue. If so, the resident is doubly disingenuous.
The HOA board has discretion but seems to be enforcing its clear policy - not on its own behalf - but on behalf of all the other residents who abide by the rules without excuse.

However, rules are meant to reflect the baseline standards of the community those rules cover. If times have changed regarding pets (and they have), and this rules are over a decade old, it might be time to assess the one-pet policy to reflect the changing tastes of the human/pet relationship and see if the community would like to jump through the hoops for a rules update. Otherwise, the rules are as clearly stated.

CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
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Thanks for clarifying this Bruce, I was not aware of this difference, but it is important to remember for the future.

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