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SueB4 (South Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
At our annual meeting the owners present were asked to vote on the "approved" agents. This vote was not part of the meeting notification or agenda (it came under new business but was not specified on the agenda) nor was it ever a part of an annual meeting in the past 20 years. All of a sudden it was brought up.
My question is was this legal? I believe based on the master deed the proper notice to the Co-owners was not given and there for this was not legal (owners that rent (using a rental company) and do not rent were not present to vote, nor where they notified)

As per our master deed
RECOMMENDATION OF RENTAL AGENTS: At the annual meeting
of the Council, or such other meeting of the Council as is designated
by the Board, the Board may, upon notice to the Co-Owners, recommend
for the approval of the Council one or more agents for the rental of
apartments during the forthcoming year.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
OK, Sue, I'll bite. Others here may know the answers, but I'm unfamiliar with some of your words. We have 2-4 regular posters from SC here & maybe they know.

Is an Annual Meeting of the Council the same thing as an annual meeting of all owners?

Are "co-owners" all owners?

Are all of your homes "apartments?" And must owners use these recommended agents only?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kerry

From SC Horizontal Property Act:

(d) "Co-owner" means a person, firm, corporation, partnership, association, trust or other legal entity, or any combination thereof, who owns an apartment within the building;

(e) "Council of co-owners" means all the co-owners as defined in subsection (d) of this section; but a majority, as defined in subsection (h) of this section, shall, except as otherwise provided in this chapter, constitute a quorum for the adoption of decisions;

I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

Keep in mind that in SC this act applies to high rise, common ownership buildings as in share halls, elevators, etc. meaning apartment/condo style buildings. It does not apply to HOA's that are not apartment style buildings such as townhomes, individual homes, etc.

I think (and I could be wrong) the issue applies to whom is the "official" rental agent for the building. I would think this does not prohibit an owner from renting to whomever but as I said, I could be wrong.
JeanB9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 26
Posted:
SueB4,
My HOA has similar wording in the master deed. The council is the co-owners (condo owners)and this means the annual meeting of the owners (Please correct me if I am wrong). Unless the board called a special meeting. In either case there should have been notice to owners (council). If others feel differently please respond.

I think apartment means condo.
JeanB9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 26
Posted:
JohnC46 - what about the notice to co-owners? If they were not informed in the agenda can this vote go through?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jean

I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

I believe that no how many co-owners (corporation, real estate trusts, etc.) that one person is designated as "the unit/voting owner" thus the one to be notified and to vote.

While a stock owner in corporations, sadly, they do not call me to ask my opinion.......LOL

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
Speaking in very general terms, any decision that must be put to a vote generally requires pre-announcement of the specific question with the actual wording to everyone who is entitled to vote. The notice or lack of notice often determines whether people understand fully what may be decided at the meeting and whether people should even bother to come to the meeting to vote. Improper notice will make the vote inoperative on due process grounds.

So from your reference to your master deed we can see that the decision belongs to the council of owners - which means that you should have been fully notified.

But as John said, if the "approved" agent isn't an "exclusive" agent, and you can choose your own agent instead, then your functional rights haven't been infringed on and the vote, while technically deficient, isn't worth fighting about.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
JohnC,

sounds just like a NY co-operative

in NY there were:

co-ops

condos

fee simple HOAs

all with extremely fine laws governing their operation

LuisV1 (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
New to this site,
I currently moved to a gated community in which does not have a HOA yet. The builder told me that once the community is full the HOA will start. My question is, if i decide to add something to my house (I.e Solar panels to the roof of the house) without having an HOA in place, could the HOA make me remove the panels or this could be consider grandfather in since I place the panels prior to the HOA.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Luis,

It's best to start a new topic on your issue.

That said, the answer would be that you still have restrictions attached to your deed. If those restrictions forbid the change you want to make or if they simply require prior approval and you failed to obtain it, then NO you would not be grandfathered.

Contrary to what the Builder told you, you probably do have an Association. It's just that the Association is currently being ran by the Builder/Developer. Do you pay assessments to anyone?

I would suggest you seek permission from the builder/developer. Make sure that the approval is in writing and never lose that approval (as it's likely the paperwork might not survive the transition from Declarant control to membership control).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Oh, to start a new topic, simply click on the words "add new topic" located just above the blue bar listing all the different discussions.

The reason to start a new topic is because your question has nothing to do with notice requirements (the heading of this topic). This can make it difficult for future readers to locate the advice provided to you if they have a similar situation.
LuisV1 (Texas)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks Tim for the adivise. we do not pay anything right now.

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