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SusanH17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 3
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I purchased a new home in Greenville, SC in 2006. I did not have an HOA. In 2013, I received a letter stating that the developer, has transferred ownership & responsibility to the homeowners. The HOA was established in 2013 & they requested a yearly assessment of $240 annually. We have 38 house in my subdivision and no common areas. We don't have a pool, tennis, playground etc. My neighbor is maintaining the front of the subdivision which includes approximately 10 shrubs. a few trees(little maintenance) and a small area of grass that he mows. My neighbor has a landscaping business on the side, and is working out of his home. He is also the Secretary on the board. I have not paid the dues & now I have 2 liens on my house. In addition, I just received paperwork from Summary Court(small claims) for this money. I need to answer this complaint. I believe there is a conflict of interest in regards to who is maintaining the entrance and the amount of dues. Please help!
PitA1
Posts: 222
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PAY UP AT ONCE OR RISK LOSING YOUR HOME

You did not wish to hear that, but, it is fact none-the-less.

Check your deed and you will find a reference to easements and restrictions.

Said restrictions would be your HOA's "Declaration of Covenants and (Protective) Restrictions" to which YOU ARE PERPETUALLY BOUND as long as you own said property.

If you don't have a certified copy you may obtain one from your county's 'Register of Deeds'.

I REPEAT: PAY WHAT IS BILLED NOW.

You may seek legal redress later, but, PAY UP NOW !

Your subdivision does, in fact, have common areas ~ among them the 'the engineered storm water retention facilities' a/k/a lake or pond, street lights, roads (if private), entrance signage / landscaping, mail delivery area and boxes, etc.

Evidently you are new to HOA living and/or were 'sold a bill of goods'.

CAVEAT EMPTOR
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Susan,

I suspect that you may have had an Association from the time you purchased your property. However, it was being ran by the Declarant (developer) and they were absorbing all fees. This also means that there is likely little reserves (which may cause assessments to be higher then they might have been).

If your property has deed restrictions (also known as CC&Rs), my suspicion is probably correct. You should be able to obtain a copy of the deed restrictions from your county records office.

If your property have man made ponds (also known as storm water management ponds) or other common amenities (sidewalks, roads, playgrounds, grassy areas, etc.) or provide services to the whole development (trash/recycling, snow removal, mowing, etc.) then you are likely responsible to contribute to the cost of maintaining/repairing of those amenities or of providing those services.

I know that this likely isn't what you wanted to hear. I hope it helps.

As I said, the first step would be to see if there are CC&Rs attached to your deed.
RayC4 (Virginia)
Posts: 173
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 11:25 AM
In 2013, I received a letter stating that the developer, has transferred ownership & responsibility to the homeowners. The HOA was established in 2013 & they requested a yearly assessment of $240 annually. We have 38 house in my subdivision... He is also the Secretary on the board..... now I have 2 liens on my house.

Wow! It sounds to me like you may have missed a few meetings recently. You sound like you have no idea what the $240 is for. But as PitA suggests, you need to know that 'line item by line-item'. (If your neighbor's on the BOD, he should be able to explain it all.)

The other obvious question is: what is the position of the other 37 homeowners? Are you the only one who got 'surprised?'

I have no idea what the $240 pays for. But trust me -- $20 per month in a 38 home HOA community sounds like a bargain to everyone on this forum!

The $240 is small potatoes, and I would pay it now. Then you can do the research PitA and Tim suggested and figure it out. Wait, and you'll end up with legal fees added on, and possibly risk losing your property.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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You should have been provided with a budget. If you don't have it, request another copy. You can tell from the budget how they intend to spend the funds they collect.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 11:25 AM
I have not paid the dues & now I have 2 liens on my house. In addition, I just received paperwork from Summary Court(small claims) for this money. I need to answer this complaint. I believe there is a conflict of interest in regards to who is maintaining the entrance and the amount of dues. Please help!

This is not to kick a person when they are down but for all of those who just read posts: Never ever ignore bills from the HOA, even if you don't think you owe them. As our poster is finding out, ignorance is not bliss. If she had asked when she received the first bill from the HOA or sought legal advice, she would not have liens, have a lawsuit pending or next on the slippery slope foreclosure. In addition to the HOA assessments, she is liable for past due fees, the fees to file and release the liens and any legal fees the HOA incurs to collect the debt. Oh, and any legal fees she incurs sorting the mess out.

As John so aptly put it: You may seek legal redress later, but, PAY UP NOW !

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Follow PitA's advice, Susan and pay now! You can learn the details later. Btw, how do you even know that the board sec'y even is charging for his work. And if so, how much?

I lived in a low rise condo HOA in NC for three years and a board member looked after the watering of our common area turf as a volunteer. He enjoyed contributing in this way. He moved sprinklers, etc., though we had a weekly mow, blow & go vendor.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Susan

As others have advised. Pay now. Work the details out later.
SusanH17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 3
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First of all, thanks for your reply.
I'm not an idiot, and I guess I should have not expected anything different from posting on the internet. I'm actually pre-law & I have a paralegal degree. I know for a fact that my neighbor is charging for the entrance. He expressed this to me back in 2007, that he planned on mowing every ones lawn in the neighborhood, so that it would pay for his mortgage. I do not have any street lights, garbage pick up, ponds, etc. They have been talking about a HOA since 2010, and I have 3 different documents with 3 different amounts. $100, $140 & $240. Should I pick one??
Secondly, I do have my copy of my deed from the day I purchased this house, so I don't need to get a copy. The deed does not specify the existence of an HOA. It states roof pitch, fences etc.

Thanks for your help.
SusanH17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 3
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I do have a certified copy of my deed. There is no mention of an HOA on my deed. I only have letters from 3 different people with 3 different amounts. Thanks for your help.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I see that a few us replied almost simultaneously. NpS urges you to get a copy of your annual budget--probably required in your state. that will give you the breakdown of what the annual expenses are. It is possible that the man who said in '07 that he'd make a lot of $$ at you HOA was exaggerating. Why not simply ask him how much he's making doing that bit exterior work.

If he's secretary, it does indeed sound like there's an HOA. How long has he been secretary?

Since you have three different amounts from three different people, it seems that you'll want o find our who or what entity is authorized to collect funds on behalf of your HOA. And ask that person in writing whig is the correct amount. I'm assuming it's the most recent date.

Who are you supposed to send the fee to? No names, of course, but an HOA officer? Or?

And, just curious, what size is your HOA? Who owns the streets? Are all fences privately owned?

RayC4 (Virginia)
Posts: 173
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 3:32 PM
I know for a fact that my neighbor is charging for the entrance. that he planned on mowing every ones lawn in the neighborhood, so that it would pay for his mortgage.

Let me understand this. Your neighbor mows (or planned to mow) your lawn (and others,) with or without their consent, and expects to be paid for it?

With regard to your deed, it may not reference an "HOA" per se. But if it says the property is subject to a certain 'Declaration' etc, that instruments sets up the mechanics of the HOA.

If your deed is clear of any such language, then I would show up in Small Claims Court and ask the Court what authority you are subject to where you have to pay assessments to anyone.

Please note: I am not an attorney, do not work in the legal profession, and do not have an advanced degree.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 3:32 PM

Secondly, I do have my copy of my deed from the day I purchased this house, so I don't need to get a copy. The deed does not specify the existence of an HOA. It states roof pitch, fences etc

Most likely the deed wouldn't mention anything about an HOA. Deed Restrictions, although attached to the deed, would be a separate document.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Susan

No one called you an idiot, so I suggest you might become less defensive.

You are the one that asked for help.

What we had was the following from you:

In addition, I just received paperwork from Summary Court(small claims) for this money. I need to answer this complaint. I believe there is a conflict of interest in regards to who is maintaining the entrance and the amount of dues. Please help!

Based on this someone believes/thinks there is an HOA, claims you are behind on dues, and filed a legal action on you.

Candidly we hear the wail of "I did not know there was an HOA" on this chtt day in and day out. After a hundred times, it becomes tiring.

Tough love here but with all your claimed "legal" experience, why do I think you should be able to figure it out?

I could be wrong.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Secondly, I do have my copy of my deed from the day I purchased this house, so I don't need to get a copy. The deed does not specify the existence of an HOA. It states roof pitch, fences etc.


It will not say "HOA" it will say a variety of legal terms such as; subject to deed restrictions, lot is subject to CCR's, or any number of things. The CCR's will tell you the rest of what you need to know. They might even be filed with the state.

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I'm not an idiot, and I guess I should have not expected anything different from posting on the internet. I'm actually pre-law & I have a paralegal degree.


Well, as a paralegal degree holder, you should have a much easier time researching this. Its something you want to figure out right away. The HOA can hire a very expensive lawyer to fight you and you will legally owe these legal fees and past dues along with interest. Ultimately the HOA can likely foreclose on you. When this happens, you will still owe your mortgage, but no longer have a home. Not a good situation.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 11:25 AM
My neighbor has a landscaping business on the side, and is working out of his home. He is also the Secretary on the board. I have not paid the dues & now I have 2 liens on my house. In addition, I just received paperwork from Summary Court(small claims) for this money. I need to answer this complaint. I believe there is a conflict of interest in regards to who is maintaining the entrance and the amount of dues. Please help!

There may be a conflict of interest, but --- if the nature of the relationship was fully disclosed in advance --- and the Secretary did not participate in selecting his own company --- and a competitive bid process was followed --- then I don't think you have a conflict of interest argument that can succeed.

How much are you being asked to pay in the Summary Court documents? Is there a breakdown of what you are being charged for? What is that breakdown?

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 11:25 AM

I believe there is a conflict of interest in regards to who is maintaining the entrance and the amount of dues. Please help!

One thing to remember is that although conflict of interests should be avoided, they may not be illegal providing certain disclosures were made ahead of time.

Additionally, if the individual maintaining the common area (entrance sign area)was not part of the decision process or related to anyone who made the decision, there would be no conflict.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 11:25 AM
I purchased a new home in Greenville, SC in 2006. I did not have an HOA. In 2013, I received a letter stating that the developer, has transferred ownership & responsibility to the homeowners. The HOA was established in 2013 & they requested a yearly assessment of $240 annually. Please help!

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Posted By SusanH17 on 07/07/2014 3:32 PM
I'm not an idiot, and I guess I should have not expected anything different from posting on the internet. I'm actually pre-law & I have a paralegal degree. I know for a fact that my neighbor is charging for the entrance. He expressed this to me back in 2007, that he planned on mowing every ones lawn in the neighborhood, so that it would pay for his mortgage. I do not have any street lights, garbage pick up, ponds, etc. They have been talking about a HOA since 2010, and I have 3 different documents with 3 different amounts. $100, $140 & $240. Should I pick one??
Secondly, I do have my copy of my deed from the day I purchased this house, so I don't need to get a copy. The deed does not specify the existence of an HOA. It states roof pitch, fences etc.

Thanks for your help.

Wow 38 homes, meaning approx 19 per side and not one street light, must get pretty dark at night. What about insurance? Do they have insurance on any common areas? You know like the area the guy mows, if not you might have one of your law professors explain the phrase "jointly and severally".

As John stated, no one called you an idiot but since you are a legal professional, I have to ask: How did you let it get to this point? If it where me, an admitted lay person, I would have been demanding proof of an HOA and my mandatory membership thereof when I got the first letter. You knew the person was getting paid to mow the entrance, who exactly did you think was paying him for his services?

Since language may vary from state to state on what is on the deed, I would suggest you also look through the mountain of paperwork you signed at closing. Somewhere buried in the stack should be a form stating that you agreed to be a member of the XYZ HOA and that you agreed to be bound by the CC&R's.

Finally I would suggest you visit SC's Secretary of State's website and look up the corporation the HOA is doing business as. Typically the corporation that is the HOA is formed by the Declarant before the first shovel of dirt is turned. S/he remains in control of the corporation through a Board of his friends & employees until it is turned over to the homeowners.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Oops, were me, not where me.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
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I'm actually pre-law & I have a paralegal degree.


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