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Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
This is a fairly quick question....

For those here who have a MC, has your HOA turned over signature authority for all matters fiancial (draft, cut, and sign) checks to the MC...? I have been told (twice) that this is the "industry norm" because having the President or Treasurer as signatories, is too cumbersome. I am too old to have a "parent" put the HOA's money (birthdays, christmas, etc as if we were children) into an account that I cannot access, because I am eight years old and do not have proper ID (sorry for the sarcasm, but when I contacted the bank manager, while pleasant, she stated that even as President, I was not even allowed to view a balance statement).... Our MC has been "nipping" at decisions (Agenda, and other items that I have gotten solid advise from here), and is becoming quite a distraction.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
As President of our Board one of the first things I did was to remove the control of our finances from the MC.

Now the MC can issue checks to vendors or contractors but all checks need 2 signatures.

The MC has signing authority along with myself, the VP and Treasurer.

The MC cannot make a payout without one of us signing.

Each month all checks issued are mailed to the Treasurer for review and if approved signed and mailed out.

The Treasurer and I have access to our accounts online the MC NO.

We can move funds, check on deposits and balances.

In my opinion the MC is not the best body to be handling your funds.

The Board should have access to the bank statements and the authority to act on behalf of the property.

Believe me when our Treasurer or I contact the bank where we do business they understand who we are and what role we play regarding the property.

This is the property's money NOT the MC's.

Hope this helps.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Jadedone, attached is a copy of our basic Management Agreement. We absolutely will not be signers on accounts. We do have authority to transfer funds between MM and checking as needed. We verify expenses and prepare checks. Two Board member's signatures is cumbersome. Therefore we suggest only one signature. Only one signature is recognized by bank so it is not a safeguard when the HOA requires two. We suggest all Board members be signers and usually the Treasurer signs unless not available. Two signatures are often required by the Board when it is not a contractural expense or otherwise over a specified amount. As a Board member I would never allow MC employees to be signers on any account. Just give the MC a petty cash fund for minor expenses.

I have read too many times about theft by those who are signers on HOA accounts. We reconcile every account every month and thus would catch a problem with inappropriate withdrawals within a month. Also, we email copies of financial reports monthly to all Board members and financial institution documents quarterly. We believe financials need prompt careful monitoring with cross checking by everyone with a fiduciary responsibility. In addition we recommend a fidelity insurance. With there procedures there has never been a problem.
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JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Jadedone:

At the MC where I used to work, they set up accounts so that the MC could sign checks; there were three or four people at most who could sign, and it took two signatures. The MC signers were on the card at the bank, along with the President, Secretary and Treasurer of the HOA, who could then have access at any time to the account balance & transaction info if they wanted. There was a very strict procedure on getting checks cut - the PM had to get authorization for any non-standard checks (beyond utilities, LS contractor, etc.) and there was a person who cut the checks but could not sign; the people who signed, could not cut checks, and none of the PM's had power to sign, only the bigwigs in the MC.

There is a book in the CAI bookstore you might want to get a copy of (you'll probably have to buy it with your own money and get reimbursed?)... it deals with making sure that money isn't "mishandled." You can find it at:
http://www.caisecure.net/index.mv?p=R0036

Ultimately, the MC works for the BOD, not the other way around. Your BOD should decide on a policy on how things will be done, and then (if needed) re-negotiate the contract with the MC. If they are not willing, then it sounds like they would want you to shop the contract.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
All, first let me apologize for the earlier sarcasm included in my post - it was the result of my frustration in garnering even the most basic levels of cooperation from our MC. I state this, to assure all that I GREATLY appreciate the comments and advise on this site - and posters should not have to read through other's frustrations.

On to the topic - yes, I have printed out the sample MC agreement, and will research the CAI bookstore resource as listed. From there (and with the help of the full board, and recommendations of an independent audit to be performed very soon), I will work to establish, and to either renogiatiate the contract with T's and C's which are more applicable to the boards needs, or recommend canceling. I do not want the "headache" of having to go through a developer to owner transition, and then an MC to MC transition, in this short span of time - it just seems too overbearing and requiring too much time of the board (not to mention this is a new sub-development, so each board member, and the general membership, are dealing with personal unit issues with their builders). I do not welcome that option - but understand if it becomes a necessity, then the board has a duty to act appropriately. I have also read (and re-read) some older posts concerning making sure membership is fully aware of what is going on. So I hope that in doing so, we can garner support from the community in supporting the decisions we are making as a board.

Again, THANKS to all that responded - with your advice and words - the light at the end of my padded walled tunnel gets brighter and brighter (or maybe its just the med's).
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Jadedone,

Don't worry about the frustration and sarcasm, it's pretty common and that's why people come here looking for help.

My HOA operates in the same fashion as the other posters do. All five Board members are on the bank signature card for our checking account, but not our property manager. Our property manager holds onto the checkbook. The PM cut the checks, but two Board members must sign each one. It's a great method of security for our funds, the Board members can't cut any checks themselves, the manager can't sign any of them.

The only minor hassle is having to update the signature cards every time a new Board member joins the Board, but it's a small inconvenience for the peace of mind.
Jadedone4 (Virginia)
Posts: 495
Posted:
All, "things happen for a reason..." (this link is to an article on HOA's and $$$$$)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041300935.html

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