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JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to where to invest reserfve funds for maximum return?

Over the last few years we have increased our reserve funds to $130,000 and currently have the entire amount laddered in CDs at 5-6%.

Anyone have in other forms of investments?

Thanks.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Jon, most put reserves into Time Savings (CDs). Look first at security of principle, second liquidity (as needed), and lastly at yield. 5-6% is a good interest rate.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
What do you mean by "security of principle?"
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JC3 on 04/19/2007 8:23 PM
What do you mean by "security of principle?"

Safety, i.e, do not lose any of the money (principle). Usually the yield increases with risk. Usually state statutes would frown on corporate officers going to Vegas and gambling with corporation money to increase yield
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jon:

You need to be very careful when playing with other people's money. Invest in only 100% guaranteed investments. Roger is right, 5-6% is pretty good for a guaranteed investement. We just went through the excercise but decided we didn't want to lock up our funds in a CD where we can't get them. We opened a seperate limited checking account at another bank that has a minimum balance requirement that is paying us 4.5%. The good thing is we still have the ability to access the money at any time should an emergency come up.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Jon:

Another thing to consider - "laddering" your investments. This means setting up the investments so that you have some rolling over regularly. If you're just starting, you might set up CD's so that one matures each quarter; then add to the principal of the CD when it matures and roll over. You would probably want to set up the first set of CD's so that the first matures in 90 days, the second in 180 days, the third in 270 days and the last in 1 year; then at each maturity, roll the expiring one into a 1-year CD. As rates rise, you'll keep getting better and better interest rates.

Once you have more money, then begin to split them into two, and evenutally split into three, so you have one maturing every month.

When you get more money, you can then begin to look at some longer-term CD's (two year, three year, eventually maybe 5 year). As long as rates are rising, you'll want to keep the term relatively short, to take advantage of rising rates. If & when rates begin to fall, you'll want to look at some longer terms, to lock in higher rates of return.

You'll also want to keep an eye on the reserve study, so that when you have a large item (such as roof replacement) coming up, you have your CD's maturing a little bit before you need the money (in case you need to replace a bit sooner) and have the money sufficiently liquid that you can take care of the project. It would probably be wise to keep a certain amount in an interest-bearing savings account, to take care of smaller reserve items, as well as to have a cushion in case something unexpected comes up. Local banks don't usually give much interest, so you may want to consider an internet bank (such as HSBC Direct) since they give higher interest rates.

You can shop for CD rates online among local and regional banks. Some HOA's use money-market accounts at brokerage firms to get a better rate as well.

It would be wise for the Board to set up an investment policy by resolution. That way, it's an automatic procedure on how to invest.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Good post JM. The Colorado Common Interest Ownership Act was amended in 2005 to require a Rule and Regulation (policy) on Reserve funds. In addition to lattering CDs in the reserve fund, we also use a money market account for that portion of the operating fund which is not currently needed in the checking account.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
If your operating can handle a sweep account this too generates a nice monthly interest. We keep an operating account and a separate reserve account for our communities. If their operating has a daily balance of $45,000.00, we place their account into a sweep account. It works out nice for some of our communities and their interest monthly is approximately $650.00. Talk with your banker.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Here's a thought. Why doesn't your HOA spend part of it on necessary improvements or possible repairs? The investment your saving this money for is the neighborhood.
If this money is for long-term use for extreme expense or emergencies in the future, I may say keep investing it into CD's or market funds. However, $130,000 seems to be enough or even more than an average size HOA has in reserves. The HOA may want to keep just enough in their reserve fund to cover costs such as what is not covered by insurance, insurance premiums, emergency maintenance, or enough to cover monthly bills for atleast 3 - 6 months if no one paid. I think there could be some "danger" in keeping more money in a reserve fund than needed. Not knowing the size or condition of your HOA, I can't determine.
It's a "funny" thing about having alot of money in a HOA. The people in it start thinking it is ALL theirs. That there is money in the reserve fund and in the regular account that their requests for things should be "granted". So I caution about how the money should be spent/invested. Investing is good but it is also good to invest in the community.

Former HOA President
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Folks thanks to you all for your time and suggestions.

I have served on the Board of my condo community for 20 years. Secretary, Treasurer, and now President for the last 4 years.

As you all know sometimes I have questioned my mental health for serving for so long. There are times..............

We have 132 units located in NY.

After more then 20 years of the original Board running the property with the main goal of keeping the common charges LOW the total assets of the property stood at $28,000.(Reserve and operating.)

Now after 4 years we have total assets of nearly $160,000.

$130,000 in reserves and nearly $30,000 in operating funds broken down into a checking acount and Money Market account.

Also during this same period we have been able to put over $150,000 into improving the physical property with several projects covering most of the cost. Parking lots, landscaping, painting, etc.

In total over this four year period we have increased the asets of the property nearly $250,000.

Over this same period the average value of the units has gone up 40-50%.

Today our reserve which we still attempt to add to generates income which can either be added to our assets or used to cover costs without input from the owners. Just asking for suggestions as to getting the most bang for the buck.

As suggested some owners upon hearing of the improved financial condition of the property suddenly feel they have the make-a-wish right to ask for projects with the belief they should be considered. Sorry..........

I have seen what mismanagement by the Board and the management company can do to a property over the years hopefully we are headed in a more positive direction.

Thanks again.

JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Jon:

If nobody in your community says it, "CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE!!!"

Some people get on the board to get their own personal agenda done, or to keep assessments low. The Board's job is to protect, secure and enhance the value of the asset - the community. That means (in your case) catching up on some long-delayed maintenance and building a reserve fund to handle the future maintenance obligations without the need for a special assessment.

Many people don't understand that community living is supposed to be "pay as you go" through a reserve account on the items that need to be maintained, repaired or replaced; pay as you go = pay a proportionate cost of the repair or replacement each year. It's not a candy dish for people to dig into because it looks full and they have a pet project that they would like to see done (that should be funded out of regular assessments or a special assessment for a capital improvement, depending on how your docs are written). The reserve fund only has "enough" money in it when the proportional costs of the repair/replacement obligations of the HOA are in the bank for each year of use that's taken place already, figured against the expected lifetime of each maintenance/repair/replacement item.

Luckily, Oregon has mandated reserve accounts for all new HOA's! It would be good if every state did so...

JM2

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