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JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Hey everybody - we had a reserve study conducted in 2012 and so far, the fact that we had one (and putting it to use) has made lots of difference in the way our homeowners see their monthly fees. I feel that we are fortunate enough to have a board (and homeowners) who feel that putting $$'s away for a rainy day is a good thing to do.

This coming Fall, we will begin the compilation (and planning) of our 2015 budget. We've had a bit of experience with this; but I was wondering how the rest of you used your reserve study information in budget planning each year. In our community, our budget is used to establish our monthly dues, so it is a time when we can all come together on things which affect us financially.

What do you think?...if you have done a reserve study, how do you use it for annual budget planning?

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
AlbertN (California)
Posts: 10
Posted:
The first item in our budget is the reserve contribution specified in the reserve study for the upcoming year -- and we chose the value to maintain fully-funded reserves (of several options provided by our study).

So far, this is the one non-disputed budget item!
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Awesome Albert - now, that is an idea that i'll try to follow thru with for sure. Wow...people here on this discussion board have some great ideas!

Course now, at my age - although my wife is kind enuff to still think i'm handsome - i know that i am old and ugly...(and forgetful too). :-)

I'm gonna write that idea in my calendar now - thanks!

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jim,

It will depend on the conditions of the area, if the study built in inflation and what the applicable laws say.

In VA, the law says a study needs to be done every 5 years and reviewed every year. Review would be to see if the expenses are as expected and, if not, the Board should adjust them.

Here is a link to a thread on Reserve studies. The posts have links to forms to do a self study and webinars (seminars on the internet) that can help educate:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Excellent resource Tim - thanks soo much! Our reserve study did build in inflation and also built in interest income on the principal.

Here in Texas, about the only thing said about reserves is that condo associations can have 'em. So, bottom line, most all Texas associations have lots of latitude on how this works. This is sometimes good....and sometimes bad - depending on which end of the stick you are looking...lol..

Oh yes, by the way - that link you gave me is very helpful - thanks!

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jim,

I stated that thread when I had to do research on Reserve Studies for my own association.

At the time, I couldn't get the board to approve having a professional study done. Therefore, since our State statutes required one to be completed, I researched on how to do one ourselves. I missed a few things and the study wasn't as accurate as a professional one would have been. However, having one that may not be complete is better then having none at all. After it was done, we needed to raise assessments by 20% (which required membership approval) to fully fund the reserves. Fortunately, with education and providing the study itself, we were able to obtain that approval.
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Thanks for the information Tim - very interesting stuff.

When we had our reserve study done, we found out the our monthly fees were very low - in terms of what we needed for future capital needs (especially in terms of roof replacements when they were gonna be needed). We had reserves; however, we found that the $$'s weren't enough.

Our homeowners supported the idea of increasing our fees 25% (which - according to our governing documents - is the max which could be increased in a single year). This decision put us on schedule to achieve a 78% of full-funding level (according to our reserve study projections).

Gonna be interesting to see how things work out when our 2015 budget cycle begins this Fall. One of the items which keeps coming up is the place of insurance protection on roof replacements. We have been told by our reserve study guy that Texas resident have about a 50-50 chance (over a 20 year period of time) of having their roofs damaged to the extent where there is insurance coverage to cover the replacement. I have lived in Texas most all my life and have owned several home - and this 50-50 is pretty much true for me too.

As you might can imagine, there are some homeowners within our condo association who want to roll the dice and depend on being on the 50% yes side (where the insurance company will end up paying) and also some who want to be on the conservative just-in-case 50% side.

Am interested in hearing other's thinking about this. Opinions are welcomed!

Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think this paragraph of yours, Jim, is important: "When we had our reserve study done, we found out the our monthly fees were very low - in terms of what we needed for future capital needs (especially in terms of roof replacements when they were gonna be needed). We had reserves; however, we found that the $$'s weren't enough."

We see some posters here who say their reserves are 100% funded. But most reserves analysts say that 78% funded is very good.

So, Jim, to replace 100% of your roofs, what % funded are you now?? To replace 50% of your roofs, what is your % funded?

The reason I ask is because it seems to me that your HOA would be taking a big chance by estimating that insurance would cover about 50% of your roofs because they'd somehow be damaged beyond repair, and that damage would be covered by insurance. Does, for example, your insurance cover tornado damage?

In our high rises, we only have a couple of big roofs and 17 or so roofs on two story town homes. Our Board would never assume that we should only put enough into reserves to reroof half of these. I'm now thinking that I misunderstand you???
JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Excellent Kerry - appreciate your response.

We have 4 phases to our condo development. According to our projections - if we were consistent in making projected contributions annually - we'd run out of money (for roof replacements) during the 3rd phase. In other words, phase 1 and phase 2 roof replacements would be totally completed under the current projected plans.

Since our roof replacements were a major expense for us (within the design of our condo development, we have lots of roofs!) - i requested the reserve study guy run two reports (1) with roofs included and (2) with roofs excluded. We found that all capital improvements could be handled satisfactory - with the exception of the roof replacement. So the 78% figure can be applied (roughly) to our roof replacement also.

Hope i am making myself clear here....things get kinda weird and complicated when all the calculations are laid out in a spreadsheet.

And yes, our condo development (in my eyes) is taking a big risk expecting help from insurance payments. I believe you are likely understanding the situation correctly. I feel it's important to save $$'s for future known expenditures; however, as u can imagine, there is not full agreement on this....especially when it impacts homeowner's pocketbooks who claim they are having difficulty paying the level of our current monthly fees...know what i mean?

And yes, our insurance covers tornado damage. Lots of those here in Texas and sometimes they are mean ones!


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
So...sounds like the estimated lives of the roofs on the four phases are different, e.g., one phase might have 20 years remaining life, another 18 year and so on. man, I'd try to reserve for 100% of eau phase. But, your reserves analyst says otherwise and she's the expert.

We aren't as well-funded as you, though we're in a lot better place than a few years ago (A previous irresponsible Board blew a big hole in our reserves by spending a huge amount on interior decor several years before its est. life was over.) Our reserves will take quite a hit this year, so we may need to increase owners' contributions to keep us about 56% funded. And that's what we'll work on this fall for our '15 budget.

JimR24 (Texas)
Posts: 399
Posted:
Sure do appreciate the dialog Kerry. Looking forward to chatting with you more as we work thru the 2015 budget process.

And yes, u are correct about the phases of roof replacements. Wish it were possible to have all 4 phases 100% funded - and my guess is that is something which will be discussed in the Fall budget planning phase for 2015.

We've had a recent change in the treasurer spot and right now, there's not near enough homeowner support and participation...in my humble opinion. Because of lack of communications skills (i think that is the problem) - homeowner questions are now coming about the openness and transparency of our financials. This is never good when a HOA goes into budget process planning for the following year.

And too, we are definitely learning about the pro's and con's of having reserves at all!

Recently our property management company was quoted as saying to one of our homeowners "you have plenty of money to do whatever you want to do". Wow! - definitely NOT a good thing to be saying when we already know we will be short in coming up with roof replacements when the time comes.

We will continue to stay on top of things and try our best make good decisions...it's the right (and the only) thing to do.


Lovin' life with my honey!
and, President of HOA in Texas
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 06/28/2014 7:59 AM
Jim,

Here is a link to a thread on Reserve studies. The posts have links to forms to do a self study and webinars (seminars on the internet) that can help educate:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx

Thanks for the link, it will come in handy. My 18yo HOA has never had a formal reserve study. As required by our docs and county law, we have an engineer inspect and report on our infrastructure every 3 years, and they include an estimate for road repaving (~ $66k). This is probably the main large expense we would expect. Past boards have been pretty aggressive about funding the reserves, and over the years have built up about $200k in the reserve fund. My concern is that someone will see that, wonder why we have so much, and push for some of it to be returned to HOs. As best I can tell, part of the reason we have so much is that the engineering report gave an inflation factor to use for planning future reserve requirements, and someone in the past misinterpreted and used a much higher inflation figure than they should have. I also think there has been a mindset that they would rather have a cushion for any large unexpected expense than have to do a special assessment.

In addition to the roads, we have a storm drainage system, pond, brick wall, gate, and common areas. No pool, clubhouse, playgrouns, or other amenities. The common area consists of our "park" (grassy area with some trees the size of two lots), stormwater management area (also called dry pond), and some conservation area that varies from mucky to swampy depending on season.

Since the board is very tight, I'm not going to convince them to get a professional reserve study, but I'll take a stab at a do-it-yourself one and get a better idea of what our reserve requirements actually are. Who knows, we might still have too much, but it would be good to justify more of the reserve amount than $66k.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.

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