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AnnS9 (Nebraska)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I found a condo about a month ago priced to sell at $69,000, it was foreclosed over a year ago. I noticed last week online it was reduced to $60,800. I made a bid for $55,000 and it was accepted today.
However, I am concerned about the water and gas being shut off for over a year. The disclosure said the water leaks at toilet bowl, but they won't turn the water on. I called a plumber and was given estimates from low to high with toilet leak issue. However, the gas would need to be turned on also to check furnace. The bank is selling as is.
At this point I can walk away as no contract was signed, and I have 48 hours. I have not seen any bylaws for the condo, etc. The condos sell every 3 years it seems. I was able to access the tax info, and seller/buyer information since 2007. The taxes jumped over $250 per year a few times. The unit I want was foreclosed on for whatever reason after the buyer lived there since 2007.
There are so many questions and I wonder if HOA fees increased during the tax increase. Well, did the condo need a new roof and isn't this improvement? Did the residents have to pay more in HOA fees?
I've mentioned this to my agent. Should I insist I need to see any improvements done? There are 19 buyers since 2007 who still live there through the ups/downs of increased taxes. On the other hand there are 15 buyers who who sell every 3 years.
I appreciate all views. Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ann,

As for the condominium, I would request the following (you may or may not get it, you may or may not have to pay for it):

Last 6 months of Board meeting minutes (this will give you an idea of what is going on)
Current Income/Expense Statement
Current Budget Summary
Copy of Reserve study
# of delinquencies (if too high, your assessments may be higher to cover expenses)
and of course all of the Governing Documents (CC&Rs, Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws, Resolutions).

As for the Condo itself, I'd still suggest the sale be contingent on an inspection. The inspector won't be able to inspect some of the items (water or gas related) due to lack of utilities. However, the inspection should still provide you with some info.

Additionally, you may also want to contact the utility company and see if the utilities were turned off by request or for specific reasons. They might also be able to give you an average cost for the unit.

You apparently already know to talk to the neighbors.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am a former house flipper... Or wishfull thinker... I would go zillow and check out what the properties are selling for. You want to be able to comp the repairs with the sales. A toilet leak can be minor or major compared if it is on the 2nd floor. I had a hose disconnect after I moved in flooding my bathroom and 1 bedroom on a toilet. It was an easy cheap repair for the toilet by buying a metal no break hose. It was the water damage that cost me.

It is time to go to the courthouse and get a copy of the cc&rs. They are in the records department. The money savings for you is if you plan to use this as rental property. The dues and expenses of repairs can be tax deductible. They are not if your going to occupy. A consideration to think about.

An As Is sale of the bank usually means they are NOT going to do any repairs before completing the sale. Thehome inspection would be for your benefit. It will give you an idea of repairs cost. Even carpet, paint, and cleaning costs money. Sounds like you may have to go deeper.

I would check out how long it takes to sell in the area. How many other rentals there are. Is there a right of redemption period?

I would also use a buyers agent. They work for you. They are real estate agents and can work as both sales or buyer.

Good luck. Make friends with the approval committee. You want ask permission than forgiveness in a HOA.

Former HOA President
AnnS9 (Nebraska)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thanks for the valuable info Tim & Melissa. I definitely will be asking questions today!
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
While home inspectors can't predict everything, it may be a good idea to hire one to go through the house. Or perhaps a plumber. Better to pay for an inspection and spend a little money now than get the house as is and find even more problems than the plumbing.

And you should definitely get hold of the governing documents to see if the CCRs and Bylaws are the kind you can live with. For everything else, see if there's a property manager and request a copy of the current budget, a year's worth of board meeting minutes and maybe even the most recent reserve study. Since the bank is the owner, you may want to ask them to get the information (if they're really interested in selling it, they may want to have it handy for serious buyers). You might be able to talk to some of the neighbors who can tell you what's going on. Good luck!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Be careful when asking the HOA for information like budget or expense reports. Anything basically exclusive to a HOA operations. Articles of Incorporation and CC&R's are PUBLIC information. Budget information and the like are only for HOA Members. Since you do NOT own the condo, you are not a member.

So do not take them not handing over information as them hiding something or being rude. To them you are just someone walking down the street and saying Hey can I see your budget? However, with that stated it does NOT mean a HOA will not provide you with this information. Some of the better HOAs offer move in packages or provide one the information. Just do not expect it.

Your doing great in asking questions. I wish I had done that. If your getting a bank loan for this purchase you may have some protections. If your paying cash, you may not. I would avoid paying straight cash for a home overall.


Former HOA President
AnnS9 (Nebraska)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Thanks for the comments all, much appreciated!
Well, I decided not to accept the offer. I asked my agent yesterday morning for the bylaws and she said she was working on it, but have not heard back from her. I did speak with the utility companies and they said there is no water fees history for this unit, so I assumed the HOA pays for water. However, agent said I would pay for water.
Anyway, I feel "back to normal" now that I decided to let it go. There will be something better I know!
AnnS9 (Nebraska)
Posts: 10
Posted:
Well, I got another offer to buy the condo $50,0000 today. I asked for info for improvements for the last 2 years and the agent said she would get this info for me.
I just can't figure out why an investor has not swept this up already. The condos were built in 1965 and I know there have been improvements, but unless I show an interest, I may not get this info. What do y'all think?
Here is the location and info:

2003 Thurston Ave # 3
Bellevue, Nebraska

PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
after checking several RE sites :

antique bath plumbing

antique dish washer

microwave IMPROPER retrofit over range (height issue) ~ fan hood replaced w/o raising/replacing cabinet ~ ?electrical?

OLD OLD school brick construction with a forced air furnace ~ ?upcoming assessment for repointing?

because the owners permitted the 'brainless' microwave installation which is indicative of type of work permitted:

imo; $45,000 + plan on a $15-25,000 rehab

you don't need the aggravation

CAVEAT EMPTOR

PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
.....a metal no break hose.


NO SUCH ITEM EXISTS

You probably mean a stainless steel braid outer wrapped vinyl tube flexible connector.

Better than the nylon reinforced vinyl hose BUT STILL A HOSE.

A quality installation would have a rigid piped supply riser. (reusable indefinitely)

Formerly known in the trade as a 'speedy connecter'.

They are a soft temper chrome plated (or other finish) copper tube which is actually bent and FITTED into position. They NEVER, EVER, rupture or break. REAL plumbing, not the 'junk' which the modern consumer accepts from 'the big box store'.

see: http://www.onlineplumber.co/images/products/sm_catalog/bra05/1-12dl-c.jpg

[img]http://www.onlineplumber.co/images/products/sm_catalog/bra05/1-12dl-c.jpg[/img]

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