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DonnaS8 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
As a member of my developments HOA over 20% of like minded members drew up a petition to request that a particular Board Member be recalled. What are the exact requirements of 720 to make this happen? We had an opening statement as to why we wanted this person recalled but we have been told after we submitted the petition to the board that we need at the very least 51% of the voting members to sign the petition. I could not find this anywhere in 720. Any suggestions how we can proceed would be much appreciated.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
From reading 720.303, it appears that for the petition to be valid, it requires 10% of the members to sign. Any director may be recalled by a majority of the voting interests of the association. After that, what happens, is up in the air, including going to binding arbitration.
DonnaS8 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you for your help. Our association Bylaws clearly state that the directors can remove another director from the board at any time for any reason as long as there is a majority of directors that vote for removal. Do you know if 720 trumps the Bylaws.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Donna,

There is an order of precedence. If there is a conflict between a lower precedence document and a higher precedent document, the higher document must be complied with unless the higher document defers authority (called control) to the lower document. Typical ways of deferring control is with the use of the following phrases: "If the [document] is silent then. . . " Unless otherwise stated in the [document] . . . " "To the extent authorized in the [document] . . ." etc. etc.

The typical order of precedence is:

Federal laws
Federal regulations
State laws
State regulations
County Codes
City Ordinances
Deed Restrictions (PLAT{shows easements}, CC&Rs)
Articles of Incorporation
Bylaws
Resolutions (formal policies and decisions made by the Board)

Some condominiums record their Bylaws which may place them above the articles of incorporation and perhaps at the same level as the CC&Rs. You need to check your own documents to be sure.

Always check the applicable laws yourself and don't rely on others (unless they are an attorney) to interpret what document has control in any situation.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Yes..Section 720.303

(10) RECALL OF DIRECTORS.—
(a)1. Regardless of any provision to the contrary contained in the governing documents, subject to the provisions of s. 720.307 regarding transition of association control, any member of the board of directors may be recalled and removed from office with or without cause by a majority of the total voting interests.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
In my opinion, if you were elected by the homeowners, then they should be the only ones to recall you.
DonnaS8 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you all for your help . I will keep striving to remove this director from our board no matter the obstacles.

Best regards,
DonnaS83
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Are you sure, Donna, that your bylaws say that a director can be removed by votes of the other directors?? Bylaws often say that about removing officers. But . . . removing directors? If you're sure it's directors, please give us the exact quotation.

It feels like the might be a misunderstanding somewhere. It looks like you only need 10% of owners to sign a petition. You achieved that. Next you need a majority of your HOA's voting interests, that is, homeowners/members to vote the person off of the board. that is yet to happen

But you wrote, Donna, that " we have been told after we submitted the petition to the board that we need at the very least 51% of the voting members to sign the petition." WHO told you that?? It doesn't seem true!

I'm not in the legal profession, but every petition for an election to recall a director that I've seen discussed here requires only a small percentage to sign it. It's 10% in my HOA too.

Signing the petition and having an election are two different procedures and have different rules.

For the sake of clarity, Donna, tell us what you think you state laws say. Someone who wants the director to remain a director isn't telling you the truth---it seems.

I don't believe you have as many obstacles as you think!!
DonnaS8 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks again for your help and support. I created a petition and canvassed our development and I have approximately 22% of the eligible homeowners to agree that this particulate director is not what we want in a director. This petition was sent to the attorney that represents the community and he said that the petition is basically worthless. I don't believe that . It should make our sitting board do directors very aware that the community is not happy with this director. Our Bylaws in paragraph 6.1 state, under the heading "Member Qualification";
"The officers of the association shall include a President, a Vice President, a Treasurer and a Secretary all of whom shall be elected by the directors and may be removed from office at any time with or without cause by the directors."

Am I misunderstanding?

Regards,
DonnaS8
DonnaS8 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I thought I had it covered with the amount of eligible signatures I had on my petition. My understanding was the petition would get the BOD to move on removing this director from the board. I am not trying to have an election. I believe that the position can be held by another board member or I thought they could appoint an interim director. There will still be a quorum if this director is removed.

Thanks again!
DonnaS8
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Donna

Allow me to add a few thoughts.

I am not nor do I play a lawyer, especially in FL.

1. Learn the difference between a Director (Member of the BOD) and an Officer. Generally Officers (Pres, VP, Sec., etc) are Members of the BOD (as in they are a Director) that the other Directors (Members of the BOD) have elected to that position. The Members of the BOD usually can remove the person from an Officers Position but not from the BOD. I did play on words to aid the understanding of the differences between Members of the BOD and Officers. Generally all Officers are Members of the BOD that the BOD elected to their position.

2. Generally a Member of the BOD (be they an Officer or not) can only be removed by those that elected the person. This can get tricky. If they were elected by the BOD versus the owners. If the person was elected by the owners, the owners can remove the person. If elected by the BOD (as in fill a vacancy) then only the BOD can remove the person. Pay attention to this as it does dictate who can remove the person.

3. Let us assume the person was elected by the owners. If so they can be recalled by the owners. It will usually require a % of the owners to ask for a Special Meeting to remove the person. This is usually the easy part as it will generally take only 10% of owners requesting such a meeting.

4. The tricky part becomes how many have to attend the Special Meeting (Quorum) and how many have to vote to remove the person. Also generally there has to be someone to be voted on to replace the person. As I said this, is the real tricky part.

Generally speaking, it is much easier to mount a campaign to be sure the person in question does not get re-elected to the BOD then to recall them no matter how much they pi$$ you off. If they have a longer term then you care to wait for, then elect BOD Members who will marginalize the person. Yes the person may still pi$$ you off but they are a lone wolf in the woods and can do no harm.

Tough love here Donna but I think you have the desire to recall the person but maybe not the knowledge nor the tenacity to do so. It takes both to do so.

FarT (Alabama)
Posts: 14
Posted:
#2 does not apply in Fla. ONLY members can remove Directors fromthe BOD regardlesss of how they came to be installed either by recall or failed re-election. Florida recall does not require a meeting, quorum, or vote (per se. Simply use the recall instructions and form provided by the Fla. DBPR... TO THE LETTER, obtain 51% of membership signatures, submit to HOA agent, and the rest will commence by action of the law.
DonnaS8 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I may not have the knowledge at this time but I am willing to learn. My reasons for going after this particular bod are his unethical use of his position on the board. The other association members who agree with me are past board members and even the present members of the board are fed up. I am just trying to find a simple solution to this problem. I would love for the board members to sanction the one in question, pull his teeth so to speak.

Thanks for your thoughts, I'll keep looking at the laws and if there is a. Solution I'll find it.
Have a great evening!

DonnaS8
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
I think what John is trying to say, Donna, is that it sounds like your petition wants him removed as an OFFICER.

the attorney may be right that the "petition" is worthless because it may not use the correct wording or has some other flaws.

As others say, you need the members of the association--the homeowners--to fill out some kind of form. In this case, Members do not mean board members. It is a shame that FarT cannot help you more clearly. Perhaps he'll come back and be useful to you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Donna,

The petition needs to have certain things on it.

At the top of each page of the petition should be what the petition is for.
There should be spaces for signature, printed name, date and address of the owner who is signing the petition.
The bottom of the petition should have a space to number the pages x of x (which can be filled in prior to submitting the petition). You also need to be sure that only members sign (not renters) and only if the member is listed on the deed of the property (sometimes both spouses are not on the deed).

The most important thing is what the petition is for. What did your last petition say?

I would suggest something along the line of:

We the undersigned, declare that we are members of the (name of Association) and, in accordance with FL 720.303 (10), do hereby present this written agreement to recall [Name] from the Board of Directors:

Once completed, the petition needs to be sent via certified mail, return receipt requested, to the registered agent of the corporation. I would also encourage you to send additional copies to each Board member. However, it's the one sent to the registered agent that counts.
RwT (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
You can 'petition' for a special meeting or to send a 'message', but a petition in and of itself will not meet DBPR requirements as a Fla. recall instrument.

If you don't use the form(s) you'll likely fall short of the requirements and fail upon challenge.

* Non-Lawyer spokesperson.
RwT (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
You can 'petition' for a special meeting or to send a 'message', but a petition in and of itself will not meet DBPR requirements as a Fla. recall instrument.

If you don't use the form(s) you'll likely fall short of the requirements and fail upon challenge.

* Non-Lawyer spokesperson.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Tim - The condominium statutes (718) are different from the HOA Statutes (720).
The poster is citing 720, so I assume it is a HOA and not a condominium.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Carol,

I understand that. That's why I initially offered the advice I did in my first posting. However, others who are from FL were saying that a form from DPBR was required (but didn't provide links to the form). I was just providing links to the only recall form I was able to locate on the DPBR site.

If my link is incorrect, or if the info provided is incorrect I'm certainly willing to learn.

Does the OP need a specific form or not?
If the OP does need a specific form, can someone provide a link to it (if the one I provided is incorrect)?

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