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SallyR3
Posts: 113
Posted:
I have just learned that my HOA Pres, Treasurer and the Pres of the MC request and then self approve reimbursement of expenses they've incurred. While there doesn't look to be anything out of order, I see it as a bad business practice. Your thoughts pls. (For those who don't know, I'm the HOA secy and have only been iin the position for a few months).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sally,

Being reimbursed for expenses is normal. Our board doesn't even require prior approval for normal reoccurring administrative expenses (printing, envelopes, stamps). However, we do require prior Board approval for one time expenses (supplies to correct and issue or repair something). Please Note that we do not consider ink cartridges as a reoccurring expense. However, the Board will normally approve one set of cartridges for those who ask (which is normally the Secretary, President, Treasurer and Architectural Chair).

No payments for reimbursed expenses are made without receipts. We also require that the receipt be only for those specific items (not have other purchases on them).

Hope this helps,

Tim

SallyR3
Posts: 113
Posted:
Yes, yes ... I expect anyone to be reimbursed for any expenses they incur when buying things for the benefit of the community. That's not the problem as I see it. I don't see any prior approval to buying the item, as you require, and then when they make the purchase they request to be reimbursed and approve that request themselves. I would like to see the receipt presented to, typically the Treasurer and then approved by him/her. and I particularly don't like the MC making a purchase on our behalf, then requesting and approving his own reimbursement. I just see it as a very bad business practice.
AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
You are right, it does look a bit unseemly. Some Associations will limit such Board purchases without prior Board approval to something related to an emergency and then approve the emergency expenditure at the next Board meeting. That way, it limits such "expenditures" to the actual benefit of the community and not for "I thought it would benefit the community, even though we never discussed it, so I bought it and now I want reimbursement". And in all cases, a legitimate receipt needs to be produced and not "I typed my own receipt now give me $250".
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SallyR3 on 06/21/2014 8:34 AM

I just see it as a very bad business practice.

It is.

You may want to ask the Treasurer to see the receipts for reimbursement. This way you can at least satisfy yourself that the purchases were required.

You may also want to ask the Board to formalize a reimbursement policy (I find it best to adopt the first draft). The policy should include who, if anyone, has the authority to approve reimbursement and if there is a limit on that approval.

I know from experience from outlaying personal funds and waiting a month for reimbursement can be troublesome. Therefore, you may want to find a way to minimize that practice.

Here are a few policies I found from doing an internet search (perhaps they will help):

Victoria Bay Expense Reimbursement Policy

Policy & Procedures for reimbursement This one appears to have travel included (must be a vacation resort)

HOA Reimbursement Policy Resolution 2005.04

Reimbursement Request/Debit Clearance (RR/DC) Policy and Practices

POLICY ON EXPENDITURE REINIBURSEMENT OF. DIRECTORS

Reimbursemtn form

There are a lot more out there. Simply do an internet search for HOA expense reimbursement policy

Hope this helps,

Tim
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe there has to be a method to spend a given amount without prior approval. If I need ink for my printer to print whatever, I cannot be waiting on approval.

I like the example posted of having limits per your position.
SallyR3
Posts: 113
Posted:
Tim ... I've seen the expenses over a one yr period and all were in line ... Prior to that and going forward I'm concerned and will be raising the issue with the Board in July. How do you and others feeling about the MC requesting and approving to reimburse themselves? That really shocks me more so than the Directors doing the same and they likely do it with several HOAs ... I'm very surprised our Board let this slide thru without any question ... It was a legitimate expense ... But still.

Thanks for the suggestions ... I'll go thru them all.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sally,

You will have to read the MC contract and what it says about expenses. I agree that, since the MC is effectively an employee, that approval for reimbursement needs to be kept with the Board or a member of the Board.

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