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FredO (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
I live in a HOA in Calif. For a long time, I have felt that some members of the board are corrupt.
We now have undeniable proof that election fraud has taken place on one or more annual elections (maybe going back years).

One homeowner who ran for election last year (June 2013) recently decided to inspect the ballots from that last election.
This HO discovered that she "WAS" elected to the board but the board and the inspectors of the election claimed and published vote tallies
that did not match the actual ballots. This person was told they did not win and was not seated.

During the recent inspection (and count) at the property managers office, there was the primary Inspector present along with the new (six months)
property manager. All the board members and the HOA retained attorney did not attend this inspection and recount of the ballots.

So, the question to you all is what to do about this? It is clearly evident that Fraud took place and it was not a simple miscount. Our by-laws state that there are one or three inspectors (per davis stirling). We use three people for inspectors and the published results supposedly counted, check and re-checked (verified) by the inspectors.... It appears that there was a pre-determined outcome that they wanted to have to prevent this HO from ascending to the Board of Directors...

What to do now? What would you do?

Election fraud is a crime in Calif (punishable by up to a year in county jail or a fine or both. It is a misdemeanor.
Also, since the US mail is used to send/receive ballots this constitutes mail fraud (a federal crime) a crime punishable by up
to 20 years in prison, or a fine or both.

These are actual crimes and we feel these cannot be ignored and need to be reported to legal authorities.
According to this persons retained attorney, election fraud is often just the tip of the iceberg and is often used to hide financial mis-deeds.

Has anyone had experience with this? Would you sue the HOA or the person responsible directly?
It appears that D&O insurance does not cover willful criminal acts....

This years elections are currently in-process. Our new property manager suggest using a neutral 3rd party to count the votes.
The board has not responded to letters from the person's lawyer (neither has the HOA's lawyer).

This one looks to be interesting....

One member of the board who was seated last year already has resigned...
Other neighbors are now just starting to realize that something very "hincky" is going on wrt the current seated board.

So, when is it the right thing to sue the board or HOA.... clearly they (current long serving board members) have missed the concept that the HOA and Board exist solely to protect property values. If they are doing criminal acts, that can and should be cleared by the courts, then that bad publicity will have a negative impact on all our property values. Seems to many of my neighbors that this is now in the public realm.....

What would you do? How would you handle it?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Election fraud is a crime in Calif (punishable by up to a year in county jail or a fine or both. It is a misdemeanor.

Also, since the US mail is used to send/receive ballots this constitutes mail fraud (a federal crime) a crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison, or a fine or both.


In the first instance you would need to get the District Attorney's Office to file charges and to do that you would need incontestable proof that it was fraud and not a simple error. Votes for candidate A got misreported and attributed to candidate B or vise versa. Dollars to donuts they would tell you it was a civil matter and you would need to sue them yourselves.

Same for Mail Fraud, tough to prove.

Hold the election try to get your candidate on, if they loose DON"T WAIT SIX MONTHS TO TRY TO CLAIM FOUL!!!!!!
Demand an immediate recount. After the election set about recalling the rest of the Board.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Fred

I remember a similar incident I was involved in 5 years ago. If I recall correctly, our associations have/had the same attorney.

I have never come across an HOA or a Board being charged with election fraud in a HOA. HOA are very loosely regulated, and I use the word loosely, loosely.

In 2006, when section 1363.03, now 5105 of the Civil Code was enacted, the first sentence stated that all association shall adopt elections. The only thing that did was tell the management firms and attorneys, if you want to continue running the association, you need to come up with some BS rules that allow a third party under contract to act as an inspector of elections. That was the beginning of the end. I have seen the bad things that happen from all aspects, homeowner, Board president, manager and management company.

In two years managing a total of 15 properties, I have used the services of an attorney ONE time, and that was only because they were in place, on a case I had inherited. I'm sorry, but solving issues within a HOA is not rocket science, besides, there is a great side giving free legal advice, for FREE. If that really doesn't work for an association, as a last resort, hire an attorney, but keep them on a short leash.

What I would do and have done is gather pretty of support, and present a strong slate of candidates to the membership. Go door to door if you have too. Take back your HOA. Suing an HOA is a waste of time and money. Rise above the rest.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
There was a recent article on the news feed for this forum about criminal charges filed in PA regarding tampering with ballots in an HOA election, The original story was at http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140524/NEWS/405240336/-1/news

Since links do not last forever, here is the entire text from the Pocono Record:

By Beth Brelje
Pocono Record Writer
May 24, 2014

A second arrest has been made in Dingmans Ferry in the Wild Acres Community Association ballot tampering case.

Wild Acres board Chairman Dmitry Kuperschmidt has been charged with forgery, identity theft, criminal use of a communication facility and tampering with records or identification. Magisterial District Judge Paul Menditto set bail at $40,000.

Earlier this month, Wild Acres board of directors secretary Myron Cowher was arrested for tampering with ballots for the upcoming board election. He faces charges of forgery, tampering with records and identity theft for taking possession of 70 ballots that were designated by name and lot number and belonged to property owners of Wild Acres.

Kuperschmidt played a role in the scheme, too, according to police.

According to state police in Blooming Grove records:

Wild Acres Property Manager Robert Depaolis told police that Cowher asked to speak with him outside of the Wild Acres administration office, so they walked out to Cowher's car in March or April.

Cowher asked Depaolis to put 200 ballots belonging to S.O.S. property owners in good standing so Cowher could use the ballots to vote for the candidates he wanted to win in the June board election.

S.O.S. properties are too small to build on so the property owners often do not vote in elections, although they do receive a ballot.

Cowher later called Depaolis to make arrangements to meet so Cowher could take care of the S.O.S. ballots.

Cowher told Depaolis that Kuperschmidt was aware and in agreement with pulling the ballots and casting votes for their favored candidates, police records said.

In a phone call monitored and recorded by state police, Depaolis called Kuperschmidt to let him know Cowher was coming to the office to get the ballots.

Kuperschmidt told him there was nothing to worry about and that Kuperschmidt and Cowher had already agreed about handling the ballots. He also said nobody would have any proof and advised Depaolis to turn off the office security cameras.

Police monitored Depaolis's office when Cowher came in to get the ballots. During that visit, Cowher relayed that Kuperschmidt told Cowher to make sure the ballot tampering worked because Kuperschmidt knew he was off the Wild Acres board if "she" won the election, police documents say.

FredO (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Sorry Glen, I was not very clear with regards to the candidate trying to get the ballots recounted (inspected). The board that denied her made it very hard in that they actually stonewalled her attempts for sooner recounts.
They gave every excuse in the world to try to stymie her efforts at doing the recount (inspection). First they claimed that some of the ballots had comments from some of the members on them. So, in order to inspect, she would have had to pay for the cost to have all the ballots copied and for the member info to be redacted from the ballots - uh, really. The board went round and round on this tangent for over six months. Then the previous property manager up and quit as it looked like an actual inspection was going to take place. For the last 3-4 months it was delayed due to scheduling issues.

Finally in frustration, this person hired a lawyer well versed in HOA laws. Once the lawyer was engaged, he wrote a strongly worded letter stating all the applicable laws and rights of the homeowner to be able to inspect the ballots.

This inspection took place three weeks ago. The HOA Attorney told all board members not to attend. So the inspection took place at the new property manager's offices. The long term on-site maintenance man/Sr Inspector of elections was present. He was there to verify his signature on the tape seal he applied at the end of the balloting last June.

There was clear evidence that more than a few ballots were tampered with. The election had 7 candidates of which each ballot could vote for four.

Bottom line was that the election results appear to have been pre-determined prior to the actual counting of ballots. The totals from the recent inspection proved that none of actual counts matched a single published total for any of the candidates. In this instance, the HO/candidate who had the inspection done received 9 more votes than the person who they claimed beat her out for a board seat.

No way, no how was this a simple miscount of giving votes for candidate "A" to candidate "B". All of the candidates actual vote tallies did not match the posted results.

It appears the entire election was rigged... this meets the threshold of Election Fraud. Since the US Mail was used, it is also, clearly mail fraud.
Since we used 3 inspectors, there seems to have been something fishy there too. I could go on and state that the use of a paid employee as an inspector of elections is a violation of the law as he has a vested interest in the outcome of the election. He has been in this paid position as on-site maintenance man for 18 years and has his contract renewed and given raises with no competitive bids being allowed...
The other two inspectors of elections are good friends with the majority members of the board and a long time ruling click we've had...

Don't know about the process of getting a case in front of the DA where you live. Here, the process is that you need to go to the police and have a report that they investigate to some degree then they turn it over to the DA for further action and investigation.

It is clear to us that actual crimes have been committed since the published election results are so far off from the actual ballots...

Again, there are some in the development who are very upset and feel that actual laws have been broken and that those responsible need to be held accountable for their actions. As of today, a civil suit has been filed and a number of residents (a small group to be sure) are demanding that law enforcement is called and an investigation done.

How would you folks proceed? What would you do if you found out laws have been broken??

FredO (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Richard,

Looks like some things will get done. As I replied to Glen, this board is ruled by a majority of 4 out of 7 board members. The problem is that the ruling Junta (as we call them) have been in place for a very long time. We have presented good candidates over the years but the apathetic always make it hard to vote the corrupt incumbents out. I hate to say it but they are very entrenched as they have selected friends of theirs to sit on the various committees like the ACC (in our governing documents, this committee is very strong and has no term or term limits- they serve for as long as they want to and we have no real provision for removing them from the committee). This ACC is often seated with spouses of the board members and they have used and issued variances of ACC rules to "buy" votes.

Yes, it is true, they will give a variance to friends and to garner votes and deny the exact same variance to others who are not in their click. Kind of a perverted selective enforcement. Oh, and they do that too. The friends of the board members and past board members of the click seem to be the biggest violators of our rules, yet they come down on others for the same violations with a very blatant selective enforcement.

When they do this to some, the majority of the victims just obey the rules put on them by the board.... The few folks who stand up for their rights are then picked on for the very minor of non-compliance issues. Or, in some cases, some members of the board have created non-compliances out of thin air as a way of forcing people to shut up and just go along. Typical bully activity.

The few who stand up to them are then harassed to no end. The candidate who was denied her board seat actually stood up to the board bullies and did just what you folks on this chat board say to do. She ran for the board.... now it turns out she actually won a seat and they had to deny her the justly won seat by doing this election fraud....

The neighborhood bullies thought they won..... until she showed up with a lawyer and did the inspection in spite of their attempts to stymie her.

There are more years worth of ballots that are now evidence.... The new property manager has them in his possession and this lady, her lawyer and a number of us know of their existence. This one should, by all accounts, end up in criminal court. There are a few of us who have run for the board in recent past years (me included) so we are exercising our rights to inspect those ballots now. We know it is too late to impact the outcome of those past elections.... but they are still within the statute of limitations for the crimes of election and mail fraud as well.

The question remains, when does it become time to actually sue the HOA &/or the Board?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By FredO on 05/31/2014 12:46 AM

The question remains, when does it become time to actually sue the HOA &/or the Board?

After you have tried all other reasonable methods to resolve the issue.

Reasonable methods, in my opinion, includes gathering support and recalling or not reelecting the board who is causing the issues.

Now, the situation of election fraud is a bit different. Therefore, in my opinion, after the individual shows up at the next board meeting (with witnesses) and demands to be seated based on the inspection (and the one who did not win be removed), and if the Board won't allow this, then the membership should be made aware of the problem, appropriate officials (AG, mail inspectors, etc.) should be contacted, and legal options explored and considered.
FredO (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Has the board responded to the Inspection/recount?

NO.

So, the Director who was seated in error and /or by deception has resigned. He had nothing to do with the rigged election.
However, the board, responding to his resignation has stated that they will appoint someone to finish hie term who they decide on, instead of seating the next highest vote recipient of the last election....
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Maybe a bunch of you should go to the next board meeting and demand that the woman who was actually elected be seated on the board. Support her!

The Board, btw, is not required to choose the next highest vote-getter unless your docs say so (which I doubt).

And probably others have said, really gather support and recall the current board.

I think others have said it, especially Richard & Tim, I think, , suing the Board would be too costly and slow. Try getting your democracy with a small "d" to act and vote out the jerks.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
Although I took our board to court, I did everything I could to avoid it.

So I agree with Carol.

I would try to get a recall going and ask for an election if you cannot force the current board to resign.

If I were the person who was actually elected, I would request reimbursement for attorney fees (costly). This might come from the insurance or might come from the people who were guilty of the tampering.

You had inspectors and they were obviously part of the problem.

You can request mediation/arbitration and in some areas this is free. Los Angeles county provides free arbitration in small claims court (you have the choice of meeting with the arbitrator or proceeding with the civil suit and elections are under the jurisdiction of small claims court since it is something that requires immediate action) or free mediation is provided through the county of Los Angeles consumer affairs.

You can check at this link for local mediation programs: http://www.dca.ca.gov/consumer/mediation_programs.shtml

I might first ask for an internal dispute resolution. If a member (the person who wasn't seated) requests it the board cannot legally refuse. Statements made in the IDR meeting are not confidential and can be used in subsequent litigation. Also, because of the nature of the dispute, I would recommend that the member who has the complaint declare that since the complaint resulted from board actions, that an objective party is required and suggest mediation as opposed to the IDR process already set in place which might be a kangaroo court.

You might also want to consult your HOA insurance. You should be able to get a copy or at least view the full policy (as a matter of law). Usually, the insurance doesn't cover illegal actions and so you will want to know if the insurance agent will support the actions of the board. If so then either an agent of the insurance or the insurance's lawyer will be involved.

In such as case that the insurance lawyer is involved, that person might prefer a more prestigious mediator, but be sure that the person with the complaint includes both attorney fees and expenses and a margin for expenses incurred for the resolution.

The person who was rightfully voted in should not have to run again, should not have the seat given away and should not have to foot the bill of legal action required to right a wrong.

In our case there were irregularities in the election since we were not allowed to run because the election nomination was kept secret from us and not the rest of the membership. We were being harassed and did not have the support of the other members. The director who was leading the harassment actually climbed on a ladder to steal things from our balcony. Even a call to the police to have these things returned, didn't bother the members (theft, invasion of privacy/trespass, lies not a problem). The insurance did support the board. The board on the advice of the insurance agent went in contempt of court and we needed an attorney for force them to finally meet--they stalled and didn't even show up. The insurance agent insisted an a professional mediator. Our attorney insisted that the insurance pay for it since that wasn't a part of the original small claims court agreement.

The insurance agent actually made things worse (State Farm) because they even refused to give us a full copy of the insurance policy (something California law requires be available) and the court ordered be made available to us. The court order/judgment was in October. We didn't get a copy until March.

If the directors are found to be willfully negligent, they become personally responsible for the cost. This is harder to achieve than the kind of relief you can get from small claims court, but knowing this can help with the eventual settlement.

FredO (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Actually, a "bunch" of us have been attending the board meetings. (for years). The board meetings are almost comical when looking at it from the "who is attending" standpoint. It is sort of like a middle school dance where all the boys are on one side of the gym and all the girls on the other. In our board meetings, you have the spouses of the current ruling majority of the board and all their friends who have benefitted from variances and selective enforcement on one side of the room, and the other half of attendees is made up of those who care about justice, fairness, equal enforcement of rules and a common sense reading of the governing documents.

It is so sad, yet funny to witness these farcical meetings. The rest of the associations members either do not have a dog in the fight or just don't want to be bothered with this stuff. The sad thing there is that these folks will be impacted by the things that the ruling majority of the board is doing.... it will catch up on everyone sooner of later.

As far as voting goes.... we all know it is very hard to unseat longstanding incumbents. Especially those who have to resort to un-ethical means to remain on the board - such as buying votes with variances or selective enforcement of the rules, or by rigging elections...

In regards to suing the board, I think the owner that is doing it has gone through all the other excellent suggestions mentioned by this chat-room. When one has tried all the proper and polite things and still has not gotten anywhere, what then?

As far as the now vacant board seat and who fills it.... yes, our governing docs do not specify that the next highest vote count candidate from the last election should be seated - however, in this case, one would think that giving the seat to the person who should have had it all along would be the right and ethical thing to do, right? Not with this corrupt board. They have not acknowledged the discrepancy in the vote tallies?They have known about them for nearly a month now. They have refused to respond to the candidate.

All they have said is that the inspection (and tallies discovered in that inspection) are not valid because the Inspectors of election did not do the recount??? WTF? They're telling us that the same three people who supposedly created this problem need to do the re-count and that somehow, magically, they will either re-certify their prior results or issue the correct results.

How are this election results at issue?

1.) there were four (4) board positions up for election.
2.) There were seven (7) candidates on the ballot.
3.) Each ballot could select up to four candidates.
4.) There were 115 ballots returned.
5.) 4 votes per ballot X 115 Ballots equals a possible 460 total votes (minus any ballots that voted for less than 4 selections)

6.) at the time of election, the total number of returned ballots was info that was not shared with the membership, so no one could discover if fraud took place.

7.) When counting up the totals votes for all seven candidates there were 475 votes tallied.
8.) where did the extra 15 votes come from (actually more than 15 since a small portion of ballots only indicated one or two candidates those folks were voting for)
9.) None of the inspected ballot vote tallies correlate to the numbers published the night of the election or in the newsletter sent out to the membership.

10.) Then we have the miscount/discrepancy that denied one candidate a rightful seat on the board.

I can't come up with any sort of plausible reason for the discrepancies above. Vote count is off for all candidates, and the totals don't match the maximum possible votes based on items 4 & 5...?

Three inspectors of elections to count, re-count and verify all the ballots and these errors made it past all three without a word or question being brought up. Yet the inspectors were an employee of the association and the other two are friends of the ruling majority incumbent directors.

A rigged election seems to be a reasonable suspicion and cause for criminal investigation. As stated, Election Fraud is a criminal act. The US Mail was used to send/receive ballots and to mail out the published (fraudulent) results. (Pretty easy to prove mail fraud in this case).

Do you folks really think that a bunch (twenty or so concerned folks) going to the next board meeting and demanding that the proper person be seated is going to achieve that outcome? Given the extent these folks are willing to go to in order to keep this person off the board, it is clearly evident that they will continue to twist and turn throwing every possible combination and permutation of the governing docs and the state codes at the rightfully elected board member until it is too late to seat the person for the remaining time of her term.

They have been doing that since the election already....
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
The board will fill the vacancy at an open meeting, right? We know that in CA, this Board action must be on the agenda for said meeting.

Gather signatures to demand that the elected woman be seated on the board. Ask the current board at the meeting why shouldn't she be?

Do your bylaws permit owners to select someone to fill a vacancy if the board does not act? Ours do.
FredO (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Carol,

Thanks. That's exactly what we're going to do at the next meeting.

In addition to that we are pushing for a criminal investigation as fraud appears to have been committed.

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