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AbiodunS (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I live in a town house in Maryland with a garage, my driveway can take two cars. Most of the other town houses don't have a garage/driveway so they got assigned two parking spaces. I received a email from the HOA stating i can only park one car in my driveway as the second car blocks the walkway. When i complained at the meeting they said that i should not have a problem since my garage can hold one car and I can park one in the driveway. Question is. Is that legal? My garage should not be taken into account when taken into consideration the number of parking spaces that exist to be shared among members. I live in MD
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Abiodun,

What is it you are asking that is legal or not?

Is it the requirement to use your garage as a garage? If it is, I would suggest reading your governing documents, as the answer to if the garage must be used to house a vehicle or be used for other things, will likely be in there.

Is it asking if you are allowed to block the sidewalk with a vehicle? If it is, I would suggest looking through MD statutes or city ordinances. My understanding is that you are not allowed to block the walkway. However, I do not know the specifics for your town.

If however, you are asking if when assigning parking spaces, the number of parking areas available on the existing lot should be considered? I would again suggest reading your governing documents. Typically, the Association has full control over the common areas (which likely includes the parking lots of the town homes). If the Association is treating every lot who has a garage equally, then the Association is probably within their right. Your option would be to gather support and change the rule.
AbiodunS (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Basically i wanted to know can be considered a common area, because one of the HOD directors was saying that i have two spaces the Garage and the driveway (That can contain only one car now). The HOA documents does not contain wordings requiring that the garage must contain a vehicle. The only wording is that i can park up to two cars on the driveway and i have a garage
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
AB

Bottom line is regardless of the garage, etc. are you blocking the sidewalk when you park whatever in the driveway?

If so, you are at fault.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Not knowing if your Association is made up of fee simple properties or is a condominium, it's difficult to say.

The sidewalk and likely the parking lot/roads would be common area. I suspect that, based on your posts, depending on the size of the vehicles, you could park two vehicles in your driveway without using the garage. You could definitely park two vehicles if one was in the garage.

From what you are posting, it's my understanding that since you have chosen not to park a vehicle in your garage, and now are unable to park a 2nd vehicle in your driveway because it blocks the sidewalk, you want the Association to provide you with a designated parking space (or, perhaps, simply designate all spaces).

Well, personally, based on my own townhouse development, knowing that there are only x amount of parking spaces, I do think that it's fair for the Association to assign parking spaces. It could be argued that assigning parking spaces to some but not to others is not treating everyone equally. However, to see if such an argument is valid, you would likely need to go through the courts. Mind you, the unintended consequence of going through the courts may include: special assessments or increased regular assessments (to pay for the Associations legal fees); properties being left on the market longer due to the unresolved litigation (which may also lower property values); neighbors taking sides in the community which may cause you to lose friends; etc.

Personally, if you want to use your garage for something other than parking your vehicle, that is your option. However, because you made such a choice, you should not expect special treatment by having a common area parking space assigned to you for exclusive use if others with garages don't have a space assigned to them. Instead, you should learn to live with the consequences of your decision and either try to locate an unassigned spot or purchase vehicles whose size will allow you to park two in your driveway without blocking the sidewalk.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Just a thought. A good neighbor would not block the walkway with a parked car. Rules or no rules.
AbiodunS (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
It's fee simple

We ( garage homes) all park across the walkway because the hoa permitted this, they said we could park 2 cars on the driveway, there is no way one can park two cars in the driveway without it blocking the walkway) except you park two minis or 2 smart cars, suddenly we had a new bod who now told to two companies to be towing cars that block the walk way, so when I confronted her she said we can still park two so far it does not block the walk way which is another way of saying buy two minis
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Well, the option is to gather support and vote the new board out of office. This will also require that you find those who are willing to serve in their place, perhaps you will volunteer. Until you recall or replace the existing Board, I would suggest that you comply with the new rule of not blocking the sidewalk. If this new rule is affecting a lot of people, it should be easy to gather support.

Mind you, not knowing MD laws, it might simply be that, even on private roads, that the statutes simply don't allow blocking of the sidewalks. Therefore, you may want to do some research into the applicable statutes (HOA, Corporate, Traffic, etc.).

It could also be possible that there was a complaint from someone about the sidewalks being blocked and, to avoid litigation (I could see potential litigation if someone with a disability was denied the use of common areas, i.e. the sidewalk, because the Association allowed them to be blocked), the Board made the decision that they can no longer be blocked.

Of course, another option would be to utilize the garage for what it was designed for.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Another option may be to see if the Association would allow you to increase the width of your driveway, thereby allowing two vehicles to park there side by side. No guarantee that they will allow this modification. However, it's an option that may be worth investigating. If allowed, depending on where the utilities are, it should only cost you a few thousand to do.
AbiodunS (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
The best option would have been to use the garage but unfortunately i live in an area that's not so safe, a pizza was killed one block away, Opening a garage at night is like you are attracting attention, the safest way is coming getting into a car and zooming out, a garage takes some seconds to open up, some seconds to back up and some extra seconds to close the garage door which is the reason why most people with garages prefer parking outside
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
No one, in any locale, is legally permitted to block a walkway / sidewalk.

Else, ?why have a walkway at all?

Park correctly/legally.

If you don't like the law/rules where you live...............MOOOOOOVE!

ps. I doubt if the previous BODs stated: 'You may park 2 vehicles in the driveway even if they block the sidewalk'.

They probably said: 'You may park 2 SMALL vehicles providing the do NOT block the sidewalk'.

In any event: the BOD does/did NOT have authority to permit illegal parking.
JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
I am not a community planner or developer, but, I hope this common sense thought process can save you money and more importantly, save me some tax dollars since I live in MD too.

When the developer presented his plan to the county, it was given approval because it provided the necessary space(s) for however many the builder felt like squeezing in without blocking the sidewalk. Otherwise, the plan would not of gone through if it provided for ANYONE in the development to block the walkway with a car. period. To imply otherwise is ridiculous.

As Fred said from AZ, think about your neighbors and not just yourself, I would LOVE to see this type of action in the court system. I'd buy a ticket!
AbiodunS (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Most of the townhouses in MD allow this even the town house i lived before moving here and the residents of all other town homes With garages have said the same ,the walkway its not like its going anywhere, it just a walkway that crosses across 5 town homes , and then you have to get back on the street to walk to anywhere else you are going. It was just recently that we knew it was illegal.The HOA for more than 15 years has been okay with this parking arrangement so far we don't park in the visitor's spot

That being said we do accept and we are not disputing anything but my question is, I feel that since other house are sharing the common parking spots and are getting two spaces each , i have one which is my driveway and can hold just one car (legally) , the garage is private property (Which i paid extra for since a Townhome with Garage cost more than one without and there are some houses here that look like "town homes with garage" only that at construction the developer converted the garage to a fourth room and they still got assigned two spaces).

Based on that i think every home with a garage need to be assigned at least one parking spot
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A garage is considered a parking spot and the space between the walkway and garage the other. It just can not interupt the walkway. There is your 2 spots. Life is not fair and grass is always greener on the otherside. You bought in a place with ability to enforce rules they want to live under. You now are in violation of what your neighbors want. You have parking get over it.

Former HOA President
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
I agree in principle.

What do your Covenants and Restrictions say?

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
If a townhome without a garage is assigned an additional parking spot (making the driveway one spot and an additional assigned for a total of two) then all should be assigned an additional parking spot (driveway plus one). Not proper to penalize those that decided to buy a unit with a garage.

I also say parking that blocks a walk way is not proper and could be illegal.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By AbiodunS on 05/10/2014 6:10 PM
It's fee simple

We ( garage homes) all park across the walkway because the hoa permitted this, they said we could park 2 cars on the driveway, there is no way one can park two cars in the driveway without it blocking the walkway) except you park two minis or 2 smart cars, suddenly we had a new bod who now told to two companies to be towing cars that block the walk way, so when I confronted her she said we can still park two so far it does not block the walk way which is another way of saying buy two minis

I am curious what authority the association would have to tow a car if it is parked on private property. I assume that at least one end of the car is parked on private property in the driveway even if the other end is blocking the sidewalk. Does the association own the sidewalk? Or is the sidewalk deeded to the residence? Or is the sidewalk deeded or dedicated to a public entity?

In the area where I live, the sidewalk is dedicated to the city. If my neighbor blocks the sidewalk I would have no authority to tow his car no matter how much I do not like it. Only the city may tow a car blocking the sidewalk and it is hard to say whether they would if the car is parked mostly on private property.

I also own a large rural parcel with easements for roads between the parcels. I own the road right up to the center line and my neighbor owns the other side. The association owns none of the real estate but it is a public road by virtue of the easements. If I park my car in the road on my side of it the only recourse anyone has to to take me to court and seek an order to compel me to park somewhere else.

BTW, if I lived in a neighborhood where it was dangerous to open my garage door I would find another place to live.

AbiodunS (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
How do i find out who owns the walk way, it does not belong to the city and my neighbors also say theirs belong to them, like i said the walkway cuts across 5 townhomes, it does not extend past this townhomes
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AbiodunS on 05/11/2014 5:30 PM
How do i find out who owns the walk way, it does not belong to the city and my neighbors also say theirs belong to them, like i said the walkway cuts across 5 townhomes, it does not extend past this townhomes

When you purchased your home you should have been given a plat showing at least your own property and most likely a plat showing your entire development. These are normally furnished at or before closing. Plats normally show property lines, the locations of streets and sidewalks, and easements.

If you do not have a plat (map) in your possession, you should be able to obtain a copy from whatever local government agency records deeds. The name of this agency will vary from state to state so maybe someone from MD can direct you to the proper officials. In many areas, unofficial copies of the plats can also be found online. I believe it is customary to file the plats by the names of the developments.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AbiodunS on 05/11/2014 5:30 PM
How do i find out who owns the walk way, it does not belong to the city and my neighbors also say theirs belong to them, like i said the walkway cuts across 5 townhomes, it does not extend past this townhomes

Typically sidewalks are placed on easements. You still own the land but others, who have the easement, may use a specific portion of your property (as outlined in your survey or on a PLAT) for a specific purpose.

Typically, within an Association, the easement for a sidewalk is granted to the Association or city. Since your property has private roads and parking areas, I would expect that the sidewalk easement was granted to the Association.

Now, depending on your governing documents, it may be the Associations responsibility or your responsibility to maintain the Sidewalk in good repair.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Usually town home foundations are not directly in a row or straight line, so one might be pulled forward and another pushed back two feet or so. Therefore some driveways are longer than others. My neighbors cannot park two Toyotas or two Hondas in their driveway, but we can with ours. Our bylaws show that all the sidewalks and driveway aprons are common area (limited common area in the case of the apron). The common area sidewalks benefit all the residents and no one should be forced to walk in the street. The HOA docs specifically say that you cannot block the sidewalk. Any vehicles are parked so as to entirely block the sidewalk are towed.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Usually town home foundations are not directly in a row or straight line, so one might be pulled forward and another pushed back two feet or so. Therefore some driveways are longer than others. My neighbors cannot park two Toyotas or two Hondas in their driveway, but we can with ours. Our bylaws show that all the sidewalks and driveway aprons are common area (limited common area in the case of the apron). The common area sidewalks benefit all the residents and no one should be forced to walk in the street. The HOA docs specifically say that you cannot block the sidewalk. Any vehicles are parked so as to entirely block the sidewalk are towed.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
The real question seems to be whether the HOA can discriminate on the basis of the garage.

1) Can they dictate usage of a garage to force it to be used for vehicle parking?
2) Can they limit the number of other spaces based on the presence of the garage?

MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Can they force you to use your garage? - Yes, many of the newer communities do in fact have bylaws that require you to use your garage. Also some of the docs that I've read lately have a clause that says that if you change the use of your garage, or render your garage useless for car storage (IE You're changed it into a long term storage facility), and this action displaces one of your vehicles out into the visitor spaces, this is a violation. Only in America do we store our junk in the garage and our expensive automobiles outside.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
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Posted By AbiodunS on 05/11/2014 12:36 AM
The best option would have been to use the garage but unfortunately i live in an area that's not so safe, a pizza was killed one block away, Opening a garage at night is like you are attracting attention, the safest way is coming getting into a car and zooming out, a garage takes some seconds to open up, some seconds to back up and some extra seconds to close the garage door which is the reason why most people with garages prefer parking outside

A little confusing. Wondering if you answer a question. If your garage was empty of everything else, can it hold two cars? Concerning the driveway, it does sound like you are blocking the walkway when you park there. Barring a discussion of anyone else's parking habits, are you blocking a walkway by parking across it?

The CCR's where I live state a garage can only be used for parking, no storage or other use. Most neighbors do not comply. Parking is a constant problem and enforcement is poor.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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Quote:
Posted By MikeS1 on 05/13/2014 9:40 AM
Can they force you to use your garage? - Yes, many of the newer communities do in fact have bylaws that require you to use your garage. Also some of the docs that I've read lately have a clause that says that if you change the use of your garage, or render your garage useless for car storage (IE You're changed it into a long term storage facility), and this action displaces one of your vehicles out into the visitor spaces, this is a violation. Only in America do we store our junk in the garage and our expensive automobiles outside.

You need to define "they"
Does this particular HOA have that specific type of language requiring vehicle storage in a garage?
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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Posted By AbiodunS on 05/11/2014 12:36 AM
The best option would have been to use the garage but unfortunately i live in an area that's not so safe, a pizza was killed one block away, Opening a garage at night is like you are attracting attention, the safest way is coming getting into a car and zooming out, a garage takes some seconds to open up, some seconds to back up and some extra seconds to close the garage door which is the reason why most people with garages prefer parking outside

Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Garage: Open garage door with a remote. Drive in. Close door with a remote. Exit vehicle in safety in a lit garage. If someone comes into your garage while it's open, stay safe in your car.

Park Outside: Open car door in the dark, not being able to see who may be hiding where. Spend time walking from the car to the door, again unable to see who is hiding where. Open the door, now giving someone the opportunity to not only surprise you, but to also gain entry to your house via the open door.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By DaveD3 on 05/13/2014 10:45 AM
Posted By AbiodunS on 05/11/2014 12:36 AM
The best option would have been to use the garage but unfortunately i live in an area that's not so safe, a pizza was killed one block away, Opening a garage at night is like you are attracting attention, the safest way is coming getting into a car and zooming out, a garage takes some seconds to open up, some seconds to back up and some extra seconds to close the garage door which is the reason why most people with garages prefer parking outside


Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Garage: Open garage door with a remote. Drive in. Close door with a remote. Exit vehicle in safety in a lit garage. If someone comes into your garage while it's open, stay safe in your car.

Park Outside: Open car door in the dark, not being able to see who may be hiding where. Spend time walking from the car to the door, again unable to see who is hiding where. Open the door, now giving someone the opportunity to not only surprise you, but to also gain entry to your house via the open door.

Ab is now shopping for answers to justify he way he wants it.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
OP;

stop blocking the pedestrian walkway

period

try it in a civilized area and your vehicle would be towed in 2 hours BY THE POLICE
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
I believe that the OP will abide as their HOA requested and not block the sidewalk.

I also believe that they were not shopping for answers but clearly stating a fact that the best solution would be to use the garage to park one vehicle. However, regardless of the reason, they have chosen not to use that option.

I think the OP was simply exploring options as the request to not blocking the walkway is contrary to what has been allowed in the past.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Tim,

you are soo polite

myself, I enjoy the banter with the trolls

I also enjoy telemarketers, when they call they hear 'yes' to EVERY question (with various inflections) - one can actually hear the steam hissing from their ears AFTER they hang up on me !

;)
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
OP;

most building codes require a new home to have 'on site' parking for at least 2 vehicles

1 in garage + 1 in driveway = 2 vehicles (if you had 'smart cars' you could legally park 3 vehicles)

for your HOA issues; all answers will be found in your covenants

(don't bother with the bylaws as this is NOT a corporate issue)
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
JohnB26 is now PitA1
BonnieG1 (Nebraska)
Posts: 1,186
Posted:
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Posted By JohnC46 on 05/10/2014 4:39 PM
AB

Bottom line is regardless of the garage, etc. are you blocking the sidewalk when you park whatever in the driveway?

If so, you are at fault.

I agree with John
There was an incident in our city (not an HOA) where a lady got ticketed for parking so that the vechilce was blocking a walkway.

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