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JeffG8 (Ohio)
Posts: 9
Posted:
BACKGROUND: I am a homeowner in an Ohio condo development which opened in 2004. The initial condo drawings provided for 72 units which included some single family, duplex and quad structures to be built. Currently only 20 units have been constructed of which 10 are homeowner occupied and 10 are developer owned. The developer missed the window of opportunity to build out the development due to bad management, poor marketing/prospecting and weak customer service. When the real estate market collapsed, the developer began cutting back on services and subsequently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in 2010. It appears that the developer will reorganize and emerge as a new corporation with most of his assets intact and remain in control of the HOA.

The developer now wants to convert the condominium to a 'planned community, replat the remaining space in the development to all single family homes, and petition the city to take over control of the streets; all in an effort to improve the marketability of the property.

Part of the developer's dilemma is that as a condominium, home buyer prospects are unable to obtain financing underwritten by Fannie Mae/Fredie Mac because condo guidelines require that 70% of the contructed units are homeowner owned. The developer is currently renting all of the units he controls (even though the condo declaration contains a strict prohibition on renting). Now we realize that allowing the developer to rent created this problem. Nevertheless, the current homeowners are agreeable to a conversion to a "planned community" but we want to make sure there are rental restrictions in the new CCRs if we go for the planned community.

My question is can we restict rentals in a "planned comunity"? And are those provisions generally enforceable? I assume that we would probably grandfather existing rentals to some extent, but we don't want the developer to build and rent anymore units.

I know this is primarily a legal question, but if anyone out there has any similar experiences I'd like to here about them.

Jeff
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You can try to restrict rentals, and spend tons of money and resources trying to enforce it, but at the end of the day the homeowners will still rent the properties "they own and paid for" whenever they want. Especially in this economy.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
you will not stop people from renting their homes

you 'may' be able to stop a rentee ('tenant') from using the common elements

? fine point ?

maybe, but a point none-the-less
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
There are ways in Ohio to limit condo rentals, but your situation sounds quite complicated because of the mixed development and the fact that the property is still being "developed". The FHA has quite strict guidelines and meeting them can be tricky at best.

Just because you own your unit doesn't automatically give you the legal right to rent it - all depends on what your legal association documents say. You most likely will need a lawyer to work out your situation.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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the FHA has NO rules about 'renting', merely about 'occupancy'

(who would want a FHA 3% down buyer anyway ?)

it is possible to BOTH occupy AND rent out a 'unit'

READ IT AND WEEP

the HOA does NOT own a 'unit', other than a restriction actually in the covenants it may only regulate a 'common element'
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
JohnB26 is now PitA1
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By n/a on 05/19/2014 1:50 PM
the FHA has NO rules about 'renting', merely about 'occupancy'

(who would want a FHA 3% down buyer anyway ?)

it is possible to BOTH occupy AND rent out a 'unit'

READ IT AND WEEP

the HOA does NOT own a 'unit', other than a restriction actually in the covenants it may only regulate a 'common element'

If you have a FHA backed loan, the property must be owner occupied for at least one year.

There is far more to the FHA then getting a low down payment loan. Even though you may be sending your mortgage payment somewhere else, about 90% of condo mortgages are actually bought by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and backed by the FHA. Many banks and other lenders, since 2008, use the FHA guidelines when it comes to condos. Since 2008 the FHA is a whole different ballgame and every association should investigate what it means for them. Go to your local bank and talk to a loan officer.

The HOA does not own your unit, but owners are required by law to follow their declaration and bylaws. Whether the COA can restrict rentals depends on those documents and state laws. Also, Ohio allows the Board of Directors to amend the Declaration and Bylaws to meet the guidelines of lending institutions and that can include restrictions on the number of rental units. It is complicated, the rules change frequently and anyone interested should have a lawyer knowledgeable in COA laws review your documents and options.

I do agree with the "READ IT AND WEEP" statement though.
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
The vast majority of mortgage lenders, conventional or not, require owner occupancy/primary residence for at least 1 year.

My (conventional)lender required 2 years.

This is NOT a FHA, VA, FMNA issue, but a BANKING issue in general.

The fact that FHA/FMNA may 'buy up' loans is a non-sequitor.

Owners are required by CONTRACT / Civil law to follow a covenant.

(try calling police for a covenant violation)

...Ohio allows the Board of Directors to amend the Declaration and Bylaws...


INCORRECT

the covenants may only be amended BY A VOTE OF THE MEMBERS (contractees)

renting would be a 'use restriction' and found ONLY in the covenants

the by-laws probably the same, but I have seen some STRANGE things

(unless they contradict actual law, in which case they are AUTOMATICALLY 'over-ridden')

? WANT TO WAGER ? (I can cover up to $134,000.00)

? when do you want to meet in Vegas to register the wager ?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
John, I'll take a piece of that action: (emphasis added)

5311.05 Condominium declaration.(E)

(1) Without a vote of the unit owners, the board of directors may amend the declaration in any manner necessary for any of the following purposes:

(a) To meet the requirements of institutional mortgagees, guarantors and insurers of first mortgage loans, the federal national mortgage association, the federal home loan mortgage corporation, the federal housing administration, the veterans administration, and similar institutions;

(b) To meet the requirements of insurance underwriters;

(c) To bring the declaration into compliance with this chapter;

(d) To correct clerical or typographical errors or obvious factual errors in the declaration or an exhibit to the declaration;

(e) To designate a successor to the person named to receive service of process for the unit owners association. If the association is incorporated in this state, this may be accomplished by filing with the secretary of state an appropriate change of statutory agent designation.

(2) Division (E)(1) of this section applies to condominium properties submitted to this chapter prior to, on, or after the effective date of this amendment.

(3) Any unit owner who is aggrieved by an amendment to the declaration that the board of directors makes pursuant to division (E)(1) of this section may commence a declaratory judgment action to have the amendment declared invalid as violative of division (E)(1) of this section. Any action filed pursuant to division (E)(3) of this section shall be filed in the appropriate court of common pleas within one year from the date of the recordation of the amendment.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Thanks Glen - you got to it before I did. I know it can be done because we did it. I'll take the wager as well.

However, there is no point in arguing the difference between apples and oranges. EVERY situation is different and needs to be looked at individually. Posts here are only opinions and suggestions and may not apply to someone else's situation.
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
O -M - G

perhaps it actually is time to emigrate

assuming your quoted section is not 'out of context'

perhaps it just means (in context with the rest of section E) that the BOD MAY amend the 'dec' to bring it into compliance with any actual LAW

? does FHA, FNMA, MAC, etc require compliance ?

either way ...... it STINKS

however

this kills me

in this case I am probably wrong

(and bankrupt)

In my 'home state' of NY there were 3 types of HOA

1 - private home fee simple
2 - condo whether townhome or hi-rise
3 - co-operative

all were state governed with DIFFERENT laws

your Ohio statute sounds like a (NY) co-op where one owns 'stock' in the corp, qty. of stock equating to sq. ft. of living space in building with costs assigned as % of total

CAVEAT EMPTOR
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
The life blood of any association is the ability to be able to buy and sell your property. If a potential buyer can't get a mortgage or you can't refinance, it can cause a lot of problems and property devaluation.

Banks and even the FHA consider rentals a negative thing for associations.

Ohio realized that getting mortgages was a major problem for associations that allow rentals and also that it is nearly impossible to get the required number of owners to agree to an amendment, so they changed the law so that the BOD could amend the Declaration to meet the lending guidelines for mortgages.

Yes it all stinks and not likely to get any better as long as banks are under regulated.

Again I encourage any association BOD member to take an hour and visit your local bank loan officer. We weren't interested in the FHA either but I visited 3 different bank loan officers and it was an eye opener. They are generally happy to talk to you about this - after all loans are their business and they want you to be able to sell and refinance.
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
the FHA requires 'owner occupancy' - nothing in writing re: rentals

(my) bank's 'standard' mortgage requires - primary residence for 2 years, else 1.2% higher interest rate as vacation / rental property

I realize that owner occupancy vs. rental may be a fine point, but, case in point:

a property may be BOTH owner occupied/primary residence AND rental

* 3 BR condo owner occupied full time with rental of 2 bedrooms to distant relatives, said rental paying ALL the costs of condo

* geezer sells unit to LLC with lease-back 'life estate' arrangement

I will now let this topic die its own natural death.
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
F/Y/I:

There are basic eligibility requirements which must be met in order for a community association to receive FHA certification. The certification process is not nearly as complicated or costly as some people believe. Well-managed and financially stable communities typically experience no problems in becoming FHA certified. If your community wishes to be certified by the FHA, the following guidelines must be met:

-No more than 15% of your units can be delinquent for more than 30 days.

-At least 50% of the units must be owner occupied. (rentals are immaterial)

-At least 10% of the association's budget must be allocated for reserve funding.

-The association must have adequate insurance coverage.

-There can be no pending litigation other than routine collection activity.

(See more at: http://www.condoandhoalawblog.com/2014/05/should-your-community-seek-fha.html#sthash.Mgd7jJ6e.dpuf)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
I honestly think that the horse has died.

People are free to continue kicking to be sure.
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Yes I think the horse has died but it is an important topic that many associations don't understand because there is a lot of misinformation out there and the rules keep changing.

50% owner occupied is just another way of saying no more than 50% rentals allowed.

The percentage of rentals is important. Lenders (i.e. banks) will not sell anyone a traditional mortgage (non-FHA) if the association has more than 20% rentals. If your association has more than 20% in rentals and fewer than 50% your best option is probably an FHA loan. There are a few small lenders who might sell you a non FHA backed mortgage and keep the mortgage in their own portfolio but those are rare in this economy.

Not allowing more than 15% delinquencies longer than 60 days stinks because it includes bank foreclosures and those can take many months and the association has no control over that.

If you are looking to have your association FHA certified you should shop around. The price can vary greatly and a lot will depend on the amount of work involved. Everything is checked and researched to be sure all documents, amendments etc. are properly recorded. They check your finances, insurance, flood plane maps etc. etc.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By FredB4 on 05/26/2014 9:43 AM
Yes I think the horse has died but it is an important topic that many associations don't understand because there is a lot of misinformation out there and the rules keep changing.

50% owner occupied is just another way of saying no more than 50% rentals allowed.

The percentage of rentals is important. Lenders (i.e. banks) will not sell anyone a traditional mortgage (non-FHA) if the association has more than 20% rentals. If your association has more than 20% in rentals and fewer than 50% your best option is probably an FHA loan. There are a few small lenders who might sell you a non FHA backed mortgage and keep the mortgage in their own portfolio but those are rare in this economy.

Not allowing more than 15% delinquencies longer than 60 days stinks because it includes bank foreclosures and those can take many months and the association has no control over that.

If you are looking to have your association FHA certified you should shop around. The price can vary greatly and a lot will depend on the amount of work involved. Everything is checked and researched to be sure all documents, amendments etc. are properly recorded. They check your finances, insurance, flood plane maps etc. etc.


I would wonder if the association could write the debt off thus it is no longer delinquent? I would wonder if someone could pay the delinquent dues off thus they are no longer delinquent?

Might be several ways to skin that cat assuming one wanted to.
PitA1
Posts: 222
Posted:
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind .... the answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind ............................
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
John C - Yes you can write off the debt and it isn't delinquent any more. Often you aren't going to collect on that type of debt anyway if it is a bankruptcy or foreclosure - all depends on how under water they are on their mortgage. The bank gets their money first and that includes lawyer fees incurred during the foreclosure, often leaving the association with nothing.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Fred

I understand the process. I was just "suggesting" there are other ways to skin a cat like to be able to answer those "pesky" certification questions as in there are less then so many are in default. I doubt anyone asks to identify them.

"To the best of our knowledge".......less then 20% of our units are rented.

I am not sure when debt gets written off if it is actually written off in the name of an owner or just written off. Even if it eventually gets collected (slim to no chance), it goes to the positive on ones financial statement so the end result is the same.
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
John,
The certification questions might be pesky but the penalties are severe for providing false information. However, I don't think the FHA cares how the debt is paid. Their concern is the amount of potential liability an owner will face if they are given a loan, since owners are responsible for all costs and debts incurred by the association.
An association with liabilities and poor finances make for a risky loan and banks are a little skittish since the financial collapse of the housing market... even if they caused it themselves.

Associations seem to have different ways of accounting for the debt. We include "bad debt" in our budget now and write it off each year but previous boards just let it accumulate. I would be interested in knowing how other associations handle their unpaid dues debt.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By FredB4 on 05/27/2014 5:06 AM
John,
I would be interested in knowing how other associations handle their unpaid dues debt.

For the most part, and I agree that we are very fortunate, we don't have to go past recording a lien before the member resolves the issue.

For the one property I am aware of that was foreclosed by the bank, we wrote it off once the Bank foreclosed. There was no real tax advantage to us, but it did remove the delinquency.

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