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WesleyG (Ohio)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I am a board member of an HOA in Ohio with 900+ homes that was formed in the late 60's. We are governed by Warranty Deeds that have not been updated since their inception. Our current deeds provide no funding of any kind except a one time membership fee paid upon closing. We have on piece of common property which is a pool. Through the years the association has bounced on the bottom financially using pool membership fees as a source of revenue. However this is unsustainable and we will run out of money if nothing changes.

With a new state law passed in 2010 we are trying to be complient. We've had a reserve study completed and drafted new Warranty Deeds to comply with the laws. However many members do not want pay any money to support a common area they do not use.

As best we can tell we are in a catch 22. Every option requires funding, even closing the pool, however every option requires funding which many will not support.

If we are unsuccessful and run out of money then what? Do State Laws (Ohio) ever trump the Warranty Deeds? What would happen in bankruptcy?

Thanks for the Help!
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Wesley,

Could you explain what you mean by "Warranty Deeds." We use that term in my state but it has nothing to do with HOA's; it's just one of several forms for conveying property.

WesleyG (Ohio)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks for the help. For the purposes of this I've heard other folks say deed restrictions, or covenants. It's essentially the legal document that binds the home to the HOA and can stipulate everything from fees, assessments, what color your house is, etc... Does that help?

Thanks again.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Wesley, from what you described in your original post it sounds like you belong to a voluntary HOA, which means you only pay if you want to play, instead of a mandatory HOA which means that want to or not, you have to pay. I'm not an attorney but IMO the ONLY way to change a voluntary HOA to a mandatory would be if every homeowner voted yes to join. I've even heard of allowing homeowner X to remain voluntary with the stipulation that when the property is sold or transferred, it then becomes a mandatory member. I know of no provision in 5312, that could be used to change a Voluntary HOA to a Mandatory one.

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WesleyG (Ohio)
Posts: 7
Posted:
It is a bit of both. The HOA is mandatory. When you close your home purchase you become a member. Use fees for the pool are voluntary. It's run similar to most city pools. The city via taxes owns the pool and upkeep. Residents who use the pool pay use fees. Our issue is that the HOA has no mandatory way to collect money. Does that help? Thanks again.
MikeL13 (South Carolina)
Posts: 83
Posted:
To me, this is a bit confusing. In your first post you say: "Our current deeds provide no funding of any kind except a one time membership fee paid upon closing. We have on piece of common property which is a pool."

In another post you say: "It's run similar to most city pools. The city via taxes owns the pool and upkeep."

Not sure what monies you are looking for.

Mike
WesleyG (Ohio)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Wow, I'm doing a poor job of explaining this.
We have two sources of income. Pool use fees and one time HOA closing fees. Those combined cause us to to break about even every year. The issue is we have zero money in any kind of reserve fund and need money for capital expenses. If nothing changes we will go bankrupt. Then what?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Well, some options may be:

Sell the pool and have some company take care of it. This of course would eliminate the revenue stream of pool fees. However, the Association also wouldn't have the expense.

Incorporate the pool separately from the Association (mind you, not being an attorney I have no idea if this is legally possible) and have it operate on it's own. That is to say that the Association still operates it but can't use the pool fees for purposes other than the pool and the pool can't use the Association funds for the pool expenses. This may or may not help insulate the rest of the Association if the pool goes bankrupt.

The obvious, Raise the pool fees so a Reserve fund can be started for the pool.

2nd obvious, Close the pool. If funds allow make it a park that is easier and cheaper to maintain.

Granted, not all of these options may be options the Association wants to even explore. However, they are options.
WesleyG (Ohio)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thanks for the thoughts. We've explored those but gotten nowhere as we have no buyers or funding.

Any thought on what would happen in bankruptcy?

Thanks again for the help!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Wesley

I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

When an association (corporation) goes broke, the bankruptcy court will appoint a Trustee in Bankruptcy to basically operate the association. Typically it will be a law firm and they will have some hefty charges to do such. They would be able to sell off assets like common property, etc. They will also bill the association (as in each member) to cover their costs. If your people pay no dues now, I can pretty well assure you there will be charges for them to pay. Imagine the stigma if one wants to sell their home. It becomes a vicious/costly circle.

Eventually the Trustee will put together a plan for the association to emerge from bankruptcy with a new dues structure, new Covenants, new Bylaws, etc. They may also advise dissolving the association so each home is on its own.

You need to inform/scare people into realizing what could happen all in the name of saving a couple of hundred dollars per year.

A plan of action might be a few of you more concerned people get an attorney to explain the alternatives to your members.

Hope this helps.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
You could donate the property to a school or other organization. Of course, this may mean that they operate the property as a public facility and the additional traffic, etc. may be more then the membership wants.

I'd suggest that the Board explores all possibilities. Identify both the good and the bad and how each option may affect every owner of properties within the development. Then put the issue to a vote (if you want, it can be a non-binding vote) and see what the members want to do. My experience is that if the members are properly informed, they can make an informed decision (vs. a decision based only on what they believe). Typically, informed decisions are the right option.

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