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DanA
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our HOA is considering self insuring our building. Our insurance premium for Catastophic loss and liability insurance for the last three years was around 20,000usd. At our last General assembly I proposed increasing our budget to $40,000usd, and since we have been strapped for cash due to extra ordinary costs the Finance committe, BOD and assembly felt less inclined to budget the money, since each owners has already been charged a special assessment in excess of $14,000. per unit. The best quote we have received is $65,000. At a 300% increase over last year and double the deductable, we feel it is best to explore self insuring the building and only carrying liabilty @$7,500usd. Has anyone experienced setting up a HOA with self insurance?.

Thank you!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Dan:

First question I would have is what is the value of the property to totally rebuild? Second question I would have is what happens if a disaster strikes in year one or two before you have enough money set aside to cover replacement cost. Third question, who determines if a claim is insurance or a homeowner problem, who has that ultimate claim decision?

It can be done, I will reserve any judgment until I learn the total property value to be insured.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
For a condo where you are responsible for the owner's home I would be hesitant to do that. However, consider becoming self insured for things outside the main building. Your sign for example, maybe a wall or even the pool. Your reserves and setting aside some money every year to cover those.
KentS (Maryland)
Posts: 12
Posted:
I would discuss this approach with legal counsel before opting for this approach. I can envision that owners and mortgage holders would likely sue the board members for gross negligence if a disaster occurs and results in property damage.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Dan:

I would not recommend self-insuring. However, if your insurance costs feel like they are eating up all the association's money, I would recommend the following:
1) Raise the deductible for losses (self-insure up to a certain figure, to be determined by the Board, possibly after consulting with homeowners).
2) Put in a budget line for insurance deductibles (figure at least two/year to be safe)
3) Save any excess income over expenses as a contingency fund for paying insurance deductibles.
4) Talk to your lawyer about any way you can assign the association's deductible to a unit owner to pay (for instance, if a washing machine overflows and it's their fault).
5) For any claims that would be a little ways over the deductible, don't file a claim if you can help it (example: if your deductible is $5000 and the HOA has a $6000 loss, dont' file a claim). Consider insurance as something you've got for catastrophic losses ONLY - like fire, hurricaine.
6) Check out whether earthquake coverage or flood insurance is needed/recommended. No use buying it if there's no risk, but worth having if there is.

If you underinsure, you are basically self-insuring for any loss above your limit.

My guess is that you either live in Hurricane country or have put in multiple small claims over the last year or two. The insurance industry woke up to the fact that they have a huge amount of exposure along the Gulf & Atlantic coasts due to hurricanes and has raised their insurance rates accordingly; they were probably too low to begin with, considering the risk.

Best of luck!

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
RobV (North Carolina)
Posts: 1
Posted:
If anyone needs guidance on Insurance i could be of help. I am in the industry and just saved my HOA about 20k a year with more coverage. I found out that we were way underinsured so i looked at our program and made the necessary changes and got us more coverage for less premium. Please let me know if i can be of any assistance

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