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KellyS2 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I live in a new community with very little covenant enforcement. Can someone tell me the best way for the CC to document violations? What kind of "proof" do we need for violations such as: failure to pickup after pets, failure to use a trash can, illegal parking, etc. Thanks for your advice.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Kelly, the best way is to hire a good managing Agent
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Kelly:

Failure to pick up after pets is one of the most pervasive issues I've encountered. Our community has installed "Mutt Mitt" dispensers in convenient areas of the community, and responsible pet owners use them. Unfortunately, there are many irresponsible pet owners who do not. Unless someone can document the problem as it happens, it is almost impossible to enforce. Even when an owner confronts a pet owner, the irresponsible ones either deny that they let their pet "do" it, or curse at the homeowner, etc.

If you have a newsletter, you might be able to educate those who will read it; it's never a bad thing to at least try to communicate to the owners in a general way; at the very least, you can later show them the newsletter that was sent out once they've received a violation letter...

If you have private streets, it's possible to sign a towing contract with a towing company; however, I would recommend that you require photographic evidence from the tow company on every tow, and possibly require a contact from them to get authorization to tow. This will mean some late-night calls, but it quickly gets the message across that the HOA is serious.

It's never bad to take along a digital camera to document problems.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KellyS
Roger is correct. However, the Property Mgr. is hired by the board for the Board. They can only act as the Board allows them to and always by what the documents dictate.
only by the documents.
One tip: take a photo of the violation which can be sent with the rule and the fine as proof.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Kelly,

J. Pat left it to the last sentence - take a digital photo and insert it into the violation letter - really cuts down on the "I didn't do it" argument, and is good evidence if it blows up and ends up in court.

Joe

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LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
It's never bad to take along a digital camera to document problems J Patrick Moore

J Patrick..... I had a luncheon with a Judge friend of mine and she stated in instances where someone is relying on the use of a photograph for evidence , she suggests ( HIGHLY) that a picture be taken with a regular camera.... where the photo has to be developed.... She stated MOST Judges will not accept digital as they can be altered on someones home computer...That's why P.I.'S do not use digital cameras... I keep a disposable camera on hand in my truck at all times just in case.....Just a useful tip......LindaC
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
I use a digital camera to document visual violations to restrictions. I prefer a digital camera because it is more functional. The pictures can be attached to emails and my printing costs are less.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Linda:

I understand the issue with the digital pictures being altered, as well as the convenience of using the digital camera. There are pros and cons to both. Digital allows me to take a photo, come back to the office and send in an email or print as needed. In many cases (I'm compliance coordinator for the HOA I work for) it would otherwise mean either waiting until a roll of film was developed, or developing a whole roll just for one picture. In most cases, we're not looking to be going to court and dealing with a judge over, say, some dandelions in a lawn or a junker car. We're just taking photos to send to the owner (and this can be particularly helpful when dealing with a rental, since the owner would rarely, if ever, be there).

A disposable camera is a great tool to have, particularly if you're in an accident. Just be sure that the film doesn't get cooked in the glove box over a summer...

Thanks for your comment, it's a good point to keep in mind, particularly for those issues where you might end up in court.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
With "printable film" it is much easier and more accurate to establish DATE/TIME of the picture or event. A digital camera the "time stamp" can be changed or altered. It's harder to tell the timeline with a digital camera even if the individual is holding a newspaper with the day's date on it.
If your going to court with pictures, you want to take the pictures to the developer ASAP and keep the receipt. Also on the back of each picture, there should be the date of development on each one. That holds more "proof" the photos are accurate to the timeline in question.
I keep a disposable camera in my vehicles in cases of car accidents. I was able to take pictures right after my accident BEFORE the cop moved the vehicles. That way I was able to prove where the vehicles were when they hit. The last accident I witness I told the person to atleast use their cell phone camera to take pictures while waiting on the police to arrive.

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