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DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Our bylaws say that when vacancies on the Board are filled the new members complete the terms of the prior members ; Chapter 828-CIOA Section 47-245 says the earlier of the time remaining in the prior terms or until the next meeting to elect Board members.

But the amendment to Section 47-245 , circa 2010 I believe , specifically 47-245(b)(3)&(4) seems to be saying it can be either (1) the remaining terms or (2) the earlier of remaining terms or the next meeting.

In the amendment certain portions are in blue & others in red - I'm assuming one or the other is the prior wording and the other is the replacement wording ?

Do any of the Connecticut members in the audience know what the current rule is for filling vacancies.

A final question : Chapter 828, etc. look to me like regulations - can an Association's Bylaws be different or are they suppose to align with the Regs ??

thanks in advance to those who respond.

DonaldN

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Donald,

Per Section 47-245 the executive board may fill vacancies for the earlier of the unexpired term of the member whose vacancy is being filled, or the next annual meeting and election of board members. If your bylaws or declaration states something to the contrary, the COIA prevails.

Example: A member whose term expires in November 2015 leaves the board. The next annual meeting and election is in November 2014. The board may fill the vacancy only until the annual meeting in November 2014. If at the annual meeting a person is elected to fill the vacancy, that person fills the position until the end of the remainder of the original term (November 2015).

If you are looking at a copy of the 2009 amendment to the CIOA that has potions in blue and red, you are probably looking at a bill before it becomes law. The parts in red between brackets are being deleted whereas the parts in blue that are underlined are being added. If you want to see how the law would look in its final form after it is passed and signed into law, cross out the red parts and read what is left.

The current version of the CIOA was passed in 2009 as Public Law 09-225.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
thanks Bruce , just what I needed to know , very thorough response !!!!
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Bruce , in your example would the person elected at the annual meeting serve out the term of the predecessor or begin a full term ?

Our current Board , which I'm not on currently, has been giving the new person a full term if they win the vote at the meeting even though the predecessor may have had 1 year remaining after the meeting .

47-245 nor CPL 09-225 don't seem to be crystal clear on that .
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/04/2014 2:03 PM
Bruce , in your example would the person elected at the annual meeting serve out the term of the predecessor or begin a full term ?

Our current Board , which I'm not on currently, has been giving the new person a full term if they win the vote at the meeting even though the predecessor may have had 1 year remaining after the meeting .

47-245 nor CPL 09-225 don't seem to be crystal clear on that .

The CIOA doesn't say, but I would expect it would be the remaining term of the predecessor (per the example I gave). Otherwise, you could violate another provision of your bylaws. For example, if your bylaws requires staggered terms with some percentage expiring annually (such as one-third or one-half of the board members) then that provision might be violated if the new person were to serve a full term instead of the remainder of the term of the predecessor. Electing the person only for the remainder of the original term of the predecessor preserves the status quo that existed before the vacancy occurred.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
I would recommend that you word your bylaws very carefully so you do not end up like my association. We have nine directors and started out with staggered 2-year terms so that we would have 5 seats up for election one year and 4 the next. Each time someone resigned mid-term that seat would be up for election at the next annual meeting and pretty soon we had two seats open one year and seven the next.

Your bylaws should clearly state that an interim election is to fill the seat for the remainder of the term. You do not want the interim election to be the beginning of a new term.

Use the example of what happens when a US senator resigns before his term is complete. Whoever fills the vacant seat does not start a new 6-year term, he only completes the remainder of the present term.

DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
thanks Larry and Bruce ! very good thoughtful and informed responses !
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Just a final note to both Larry and Bruce - our bylaws do provide for staggered terms, 1,2,&3 years for a 3 member Board and they do say that the person who replaces a Board member will serve out the remaining term of that member - however they don't include the wording in Section 47-245 of the Connecticut law that the replacement will serve until the earlier of the next meeting or the unexpired term of the person being replaced.

My feeling is that when Connecticut made changes to the condo regulations they clarified and refined certain areas but intended to keep some of the provisions in those same areas -- as Bruce noted, the COIA (Common Ownership Interest Act) is silent on the term of the replacing Board member but in our case that's addressed in our bylaws .

Bruce and Larry , do you agree with my reasoning ?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted:
Donald,

I would hope that the legislature intended to allow associations some leeway in their bylaws as one size may fit all but it never fits anyone very well.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By LarryB13 on 04/05/2014 9:02 AM
Donald,

I would hope that the legislature intended to allow associations some leeway in their bylaws as one size may fit all but it never fits anyone very well.


Unfortunately, it appears that they didn't and the legislative intent is not stated in the law.

The following is an extract from our Declaration. The portion that starts with the words "July 8,2011 Document Overlay" was extracted from the document prepared for us by our association's law firm.

"Section 25.3 - Executive Board Limitations. The Executive Board may not act on behalf of the Association to amend this Declaration, to terminate the Common Interest Community or to elect members of the Executive Board or determine the qualifications, powers and duties, or terms of office of Executive Board members, but the Executive Board may fill vacancies in its membership for the unexpired portion of any term.

July 8, 2011 Document Overlay (with attorney's comments in green italics):

Notwithstanding the requirements of this section:

The board may fill a vacancy in its membership only for the shorter of:

Until the next regularly scheduled election of directors; or

Until the end of the term of the vacant directorship [Subsection 47-245(b)(3)]."

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Our bylaws also basically state till the next election, which often is the shorter or the same length as a full term.

We too became lopsided during a fairly short period when on our Board of seven, five seats were up for election one October. Since our bylaws also require staggered terms, our HOA attorny's solution was to to have the 3 highest vote getters serve our normal two-year term, and the two who were 4th & 5th served one year.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Some background : we originally had a 3 member board with staggered terms, i.e. 1,2,3 years - each of those terms was renewed by election for a 3 year term - we eventually added 2 members to the board and went through a period of time when the rules regarding vacancies and term periods of service weren't followed.

As Bruce noted in his earlier post the latest Connecticut regs , CIOA , specify that vacancies are filled until the earlier of the next meeting or the expiration of the term of the member who dropped out.

However and as Bruce pointed out CIOA is silent regards the term of the newly elected replacement : is it a full 3 year term or the balance of the prior member's term - our bylaws ,although outdated and not reflective of all the current provisions of CIOA, do still include wording saying it's the balance of the prior member's term - and as I mentioned above we haven't conformed to the staggered format in years.

And so my question is : given that current law is silent do we follow the bylaws and have the electee serve out the remainder of the prior members term , give them a new 3 year term, or do something else ??

Your thoughts again please .
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/06/2014 7:50 AM
And so my question is : given that current law is silent do we follow the bylaws and have the electee serve out the remainder of the prior members term , give them a new 3 year term, or do something else ??

Your thoughts again please .

Donald,

It doesn't matter what your bylaws say, you must follow the LAW (it's not a reg) first. Period! That is, you can appoint someone to fill a vacancy only until the EARLIER of the remainder of the term or until the next annual election. I think you are making this problem more complicated than it really is.

Then, at the next election, how long do the newly elected members serve? The answer is what ever terms you wish, SO LONG AS YOUR BYLAWS ARE NOT VIOLATED.

The best way to determine this is to do a "what if" example (Einstein used to call this approach a "thought experiment").

Example: Suppose your bylaws require that the terms of one-third of the board members must expire each year. Suppose a full board consists of five members. That means the terms of at least 2 members must expire each year. Now, suppose that the terms of 3 members expire in November 2014 and that the terms of 2 members expire in November 2015. One of the members whose term is due to expire in November 2015 resigns. The board may appoint someone to fill the vacancy, but only until November 2014 when the next annual election occurs. At that time, there will be four vacancies; the 3 vacancies that would have occurred anyway if no one resigned, and a fourth vacancy because the board could appoint someone only until that time. What happens if you fill all four vacancies for two-years terms? That means you will have 4 members whose terms expire in November 2016 and only one member whose term expires in 2015. But, your bylaws require that the terms of at least 2 members must expire each year, so you are in violation of your bylaws. In other words, you cannot fill all 4 vacancies for two-year terms. You can fill no more than 3 vacancies with two-year terms; the 4th vacancy must be filled for only a one-year term. The easiest way to do this is to have the 3 persons with the greatest number of votes receive two-year terms and the person with the 4th highest number of votes receives a one-year term.

The fact that you may not have been following your bylaws is no excuse to continue doing so. You are supposed to follow your bylaws. So, first you must follow Connecticut law. After that, you must follow your bylaws. You are trying to solve your dilemma in one step. There is no way to do that. You must solve your problem one step at a time.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Donald:

From what I can see when reading the statutes it states:

Sec. 47-245. Executive board members and officers. Duties.

(b) The executive board may not:
(3) Elect members of the executive board, except that the executive board may fill vacancies in its membership for the unexpired portion of any term or, if earlier, until the next regularly scheduled election of executive board members;

(4) Determine the qualifications, powers and duties, or terms of office of executive board members.

Based on this information I would agree with BruceF1 in his first response to your question. You need to first meet the State Statutes which (3) is for board filling unexpired portion of any term. However, at the next regularly scheduled election I would contend according to what is stated in the statute under (4) the terms of office cannot be changed, so if there is only potentially one year remaining for that position (for associations with staggered terms of office) then the membership would be electing to fill only for remainder of the term. At the end of that time period the membership will again elect an individual to fill for the full “upcoming term”. This makes sense as it would keep in place any “staggered terms of office” as noted in some bylaws.

DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
I agree with Bruce that most of this is straightforward but here's where it gets murky , an example - we only had staggered terms when the association started and those terms were all renewed for 3 years - this was when there were only 3 on the Board and so the 1/3 rule was easy to comply with and maintain.

Now we have a 5 member Board but have maintained a 3 year term - so now we'll have 3 seats expiring on 6/14, 1 on 6/15, and 1 on 6/16 - I also need to mention that beginning on 6/14 we want to start abiding by the 1/3 rule - so at least temporarily 1 of the seats that expires on 6/14 will need to renew for 1 year , another for 2 years, and the last seat for either 1,2,or 3 years .

So now no matter what the number of years that last seat renews for, the 1/3 rule will fail on 6/17 if we revert back to 3 year terms beginning on 6/15.

But mathematically I wonder if we continued staggered terms for awhile would we reach a point where we could revert back to the 3 year term and still satisfy 1/3 ???

Another possibility would be to have a general election to change to a 2 year term ?? - in general we feel that a 1 year term is too short and a 3 year is bordering on too long and so 2 years might work - I think with a 2 year term the 1/3 rule can be satisfied going forward.

Again , your thoughts - mainly regards keeping a 3 year term long term ???
HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
Our 5 member board maintains staggered terms for a two year term. Since 1/3 doesn't work we alternate 2 one year and 3 the next. Originally the terms were for 3 years but it became difficult to find unit owners willing to make that commitment and 1 year didn't seem to be long enough.

Our Declaration and By-Laws are currently being updated to reflect changes in the current statues. According to our "old" by-laws the board had the authority to fill vacancies on the board caused by resignations, for the remainder of the term of the Director to be replaced. I like the update. Thanks for pointing that out, Bruce. I don't recall that we ever had a situation where the Annual Meeting with the unit owners voting to fill vacancies came before a replacement's term had expired so it has been a moot point for us. I can see where it would be more of an issue with 3 year terms.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
thanks HelenN , I agree 3 years is a long time to serve for many but I also don't think the 1/3 rule will work for a Board of 5 with fixed 3 year terms - maybe you said that but I wasn't sure .
HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
1/3 rule only works for a # divisible by 3. I wish that was the only problem we had!
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
Which number , number on the board or the term ?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
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Posted By HeleneN on 04/07/2014 11:29 AM
Our 5 member board maintains staggered terms for a two year term. Since 1/3 doesn't work we alternate 2 one year and 3 the next. Originally the terms were for 3 years but it became difficult to find unit owners willing to make that commitment and 1 year didn't seem to be long enough.

Of course it does! That is, if your bylaws are worded correctly.

Our bylaws require that the terms of at least 1/3 of the members expires each year. We also have a 5-member board. Directors are elected to serve a 2-year term.

One-third of 5 is 1.6667. So, as long as the terms of 2 or more members expire, then the bylaw condition is met. The bylaws don't say the terms of exactly 1/3 of the members must expire, or that the terms of not more than 1/3 f the members must expire, but that the terms of at least 1/3 of the members must expire. So, as long as the terms of at least 2 members expire, the condition stated in the bylaws is met.

A simple math problem in inequalities.

We elect 2 members in even years and 3 members in odd years. Each serves a 2-year term.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By DonaldN on 04/07/2014 11:53 AM
thanks HelenN , I agree 3 years is a long time to serve for many but I also don't think the 1/3 rule will work for a Board of 5 with fixed 3 year terms - maybe you said that but I wasn't sure .

Three-year staggered terms will work with a 5 member board provided your bylaws are properly worded.

Two members' terms expire one year, two members' terms expire the next year, and one member's term expires the third year. Then you start all over again. Of course, in that case you can't simultaneously require that the terms of at least 1/3 of the members expire each year because that would be inconsistent and every third year you would be in violation of your bylaws. But, when people write bylaws, they're supposed to figure all that out before they put pen to paper.

As I said before, i think you are making the problem far too complicated. I remember in college where some people would not be able to solve a problem because they would make it more complicated than it really was. Instead of solving the problem one step at a time they tried to solve the whole thing all at once and only got more confused by doing so.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By HeleneN on 04/07/2014 12:21 PM
1/3 rule only works for a # divisible by 3. I wish that was the only problem we had!

Not true. It's simple math problem involving inequalities. See my earlier post.
HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
thanks for your post Bruce, we do the same thing!
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
HeleneN , in your first post you said you had a 2,3 setup with I think 2 year terms , then Bruce suggested 2,2,1 with 3 year terms and you said that's what you do - you can't have it both ways ???

Bruce & HeleneN , this is getting confusing .
HeleneN (Connecticut)
Posts: 84
Posted:
I believe Bruce said they have a 5 member board. 2 members are elected in even years and 3 members in odd years. As long as you remain consistent it doesn't matter whether you do then odd years or even years.

Didn't mean to confuse anyone. We have a 5 member board with each member serving 2 years, staggered in the same way Bruce described.
DonaldN (Connecticut)
Posts: 183
Posted:
HeleneN , my mistake, you're right Bruce did say that - thanks all for the great discussion .

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