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DavidS71 (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I am interested in knowing how other BOD's regulate the use of a community web site message board. Rules & regs., disclaimer., etc. This is for a Florida HOA that is presently debating the addition to the web site.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
When you say message board do you mean a forum style exchange of those who sign up to participate or simply messages posted by the Board?
DavidS71 (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Yes, a forum type board where owners can post questions and issues and receive response from other owners.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
If you have a website posting all the governing docs, you might try a social media called Nextdoor. We have it hooked up so that a resident can have as little or as much access to neighboring communities as they want. They have phone apps to go with it as well. What it has is push notification technology that we can institute in the event of an emergency.

Oh, it is free.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Well, we have such a board on our website, as it allows us to comply with VA law.
In all honesty, we have 3 members on it and I'm one of them.

It's just not utilized by the membership. If it wasn't the way we comply with our state statute, I'd get rid of it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I have always maintained that the community web site should be informational (one way) only. Meaning the BOD/association only posts things like minutes, newsletters, Covenants, Bylaws, Rules & Regulations, budgets, opinions, etc. It should not be interactive meaning two way communication as it can soon turn into bytching, spamming, he said/she said accusations, etc.

JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
David:
I would avoid putting a forum on your web site. My condominium community uses Google Groups. You sometimes do get some nasty things on the site but better such things be out in the open so everyone can comment on them than a secret rumor going around the community. Most often, someone comes on and defends or explains a Board action being questioned. And people who don't care at all ask to be removed from the group. In general, I think the back and forth has brought the community closer together.
Jeanne
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
David,

I think this is not a good idea. Sooner or later someone will post a message that the board disapproves of and they will delete it. Censorship and the free exchange of ideas do not work well together.
AnnH6 (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
We have such and if the Board member feels that any posting is "negative" against the Board then they delete the post. It doesn't matter if someone is asking an honest question or has a legitimate concern. For that reason, I agree with others that message boards are not a good idea. It goes both ways- you could have homeowners posting their rants and you can have Board members acting like paranoid website Nazis. Because my Association falls into the latter, nobody bothers to use the message board.
RebeccaS1 (New York)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Chris, nothing. Is free. The old saying, if you're not paying for it, you're the product, holds true. This is the statement on Nextdoor's site:

"Nextdoor does not currently generate revenue. We are funded by venture capital firms that include Benchmark, Greylock Partners, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byer, Tiger Global Management, and others, and their funding allows us to focus 100% of our efforts at this time on improving Nextdoor and introducing the service to new neighborhoods.

Long term, our goal at Nextdoor is to figure out a way to generate revenue that provides value to our users as well as to Nextdoor. Potential ideas for this kind of win-win approach might include developing "group buying" functionality or creating a "special offers" section of the site that local businesses could publish to.

What we know we will NOT do is either require members to pay to use Nextdoor or sell users' private information to other companies. To learn more about about [sic] our policies regarding user privacy, please read our Privacy Policy."

They seem no better than the Googles of the world who say its free and then make a lot of money using the personal information they get from free users and then changing policies and selling to advertisers or target advertising based on what is said in emails or mentioned in messages or included in personal information. It really is a ruse.

I would be careful pushing these types of free companies; especially if you're a board member with a fiduciary duty to your owners. There really is no free lunch and I am sure the big time investors in prosucts like this will want their money back with some significant return on investment. Be careful.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Nextdoor.com works really really well. My community has an account and it's private for owners only. We don't do Facebook or the traditional web forums, only Nextdoor and a website (that allows email messaging to the property manager).

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RebeccaS1 on 03/22/2014 5:20 AM
Chris, nothing. Is free. The old saying, if you're not paying for it, you're the product, holds true. This is the statement on Nextdoor's site:

"Nextdoor does not currently generate revenue. We are funded by venture capital firms that include Benchmark, Greylock Partners, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byer, Tiger Global Management, and others, and their funding allows us to focus 100% of our efforts at this time on improving Nextdoor and introducing the service to new neighborhoods.

Long term, our goal at Nextdoor is to figure out a way to generate revenue that provides value to our users as well as to Nextdoor. Potential ideas for this kind of win-win approach might include developing "group buying" functionality or creating a "special offers" section of the site that local businesses could publish to.

What we know we will NOT do is either require members to pay to use Nextdoor or sell users' private information to other companies. To learn more about about [sic] our policies regarding user privacy, please read our Privacy Policy."

They seem no better than the Googles of the world who say its free and then make a lot of money using the personal information they get from free users and then changing policies and selling to advertisers or target advertising based on what is said in emails or mentioned in messages or included in personal information. It really is a ruse.

I would be careful pushing these types of free companies; especially if you're a board member with a fiduciary duty to your owners. There really is no free lunch and I am sure the big time investors in prosucts like this will want their money back with some significant return on investment. Be careful.

Nextdoor.com community accounts can be activated by any owner living in any neighbor; free of HOA board blessing. It's opt-in to participate and I've found the site to screen property owners quite well - giving my neighborhood its own little "social media world." Someone in my neighborhood had activated our community account before I knew the company existed. I chose to opt-in as a resident first, but I'm also the master assoc. president.

For message board fare, I think it will work fine. The board can post information there and neighbors will be able to reach out for handyman requests, etc. Secretive HOA boards and directors will hate it. Don't replace a web forum, Nextdoor or otherwise, for email blasts, paper postings, signage or other communication channels. There is zero need for the HOA board to get involved with this de-centralized effort in an attempt to control it

For the record, I would not pay to use Nextdoor.com. Since my personal information, regarding my property, is listed on the county online tax rolls, I feel little disincentive to stay off the "grid."
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
I get the impression that David already has the vendor they want for the forum. He is simply looking for copies of posting rules and disclaimers that others use on their forums.

David,

My Forum is open. This initially caused me a lot of work banning overseas spammers. Therefore, you may want to make your forum for members of the Association and/or residents only. This could minimize a lot of the spam that is posted.

As a disclaimer, we simply say that all comments are that of members and may not the official position of the Board. Anyone interested in the official position of the Board on a topic should contact the Board directly or review the governing documents of the Association.

As for rules, keep it simple. The posting rules on this site are fairly simple, few in number and straight to the point. I'd suggest something like that.

For another option, simply do a web search for Association web sites in your State and see what they are using.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
As I mentioned, we use Nextdoor, which is nationwide. It is done outside of the community website and the individual live in the communities, no outsiders. We can verify through title search.

It does require a username and password to long in. The best part is that it has an iPhone/Android mobile app that we can use in case of emergencies. I have used for two months and so far, there has not been any problem.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi David:

If you want to add to your current website I would make that forum area a back end area where the members have to sign in to post and the items are not public such as utilized by the Nextdoor.com website. You can either add to your own current website or set up an account with another website offering such amenities.

As Tim stated keep the rules simple such as 1) Please show your neighbors the same respect you would want to recieve yourself when posting, 2) No foul language allowed and any postings with foul language will be deleted, etc.

The alternative would be for members to set up a Facebook page or other social media page; however, keep in mind most of those type media pages are public information open to the world wide web.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JanetB2 on 03/22/2014 8:55 PM
Hi David:

If you want to add to your current website I would make that forum area a back end area where the members have to sign in to post and the items are not public such as utilized by the Nextdoor.com website. You can either add to your own current website or set up an account with another website offering such amenities.

As Tim stated keep the rules simple such as 1) Please show your neighbors the same respect you would want to recieve yourself when posting, 2) No foul language allowed and any postings with foul language will be deleted, etc.

The alternative would be for members to set up a Facebook page or other social media page; however, keep in mind most of those type media pages are public information open to the world wide web.

Janet

Nextdoor is private. You have to be invited and verified.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Richard:

I understand that fact and which is why I stated: "If you want to add to your current website I would make that forum area a back end area where the members have to sign in to post and the items are not public such as utilized by the Nextdoor.com website". I have a degree in Internet Technology and have designed many websites. Nextdoor is private and while I have not yet utilized that site their concept is a great idea.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Janet

My humble apologizes.
RebeccaS1 (New York)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Does anyone care that these "privIte" sites are businesses that are saving and sorting through your (and your neighbors') private information and discussions to exploit and to make money with it; likely advertising like many things that are offered for free on the web?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Do I care? Yes
However, it's like everything else I do, I'm willing to allow some things in trade for others.

Setting up a forum and having participation in the forum are two different things.
As I posted, our Association maintains a forum as it allows us to comply with a VA statute. Out of 130 lots we have a grand total of 3 participants.

Again, this isn't part of the OP's question, in my opinion, set up the forum. The membership will decide if they want to participate or not.
DavidS71 (Florida)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thank you one and all for your input. As I suspected, there are considerable points of opinion on this subject. I will have to consider this addition to our website further.
PaulG11 (Georgia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Maybe too late, but I'll add my $0.02 ....

Stay away from any publicly-accessible site/group service - the most common ones are facebook and google (groups/plus).

I haven't looked at 'Nextdoor', but I have looked at several other, similar, services. While it is possible to 'lock down' the sites/forums from non-residents, I agree with the previous posters that have pointed out that YOU are the product. I decided I wasn't comfortable publishing quite personal information/opinions for all of our residents and leaving whichever company to decide how to monetize that in the future.

I did the following - it's easy to get going if you have minimal tech/internet skills:

I registered the domain and got a cheap hosting provider.
I installed Wordpress.
I added some Wordpress plugins - primarily Buddypress + some that lock down membership of the site.

That's it - the site is operational! You can choose to add discussion forums if you wish, or not. I also added an email newsletter plugin, a calendar, a shared facility booking system, and a few other things. All wordpress plugins, and all for free (I can provide a more detailed list if you are interested).

The end result is a private community website + discussion forums, with community directory, online reservations and event planning under our complete control.
TomW14 (Texas)
Posts: 10
Posted:
We have a managed web site that includes a forum. Like many HOA we were having a hard time getting people to participate in meetings and other activities. We used the website to try and get people together and interested in their neighborhood. We are a small subdivision of less than 100 homes. We knew we would not get 100% participation but we do have 60% of the neighborhood using the website including realtors. We also have had some local companies sponsor the website and this generates some monies that help pay for it.
We have not had any negative activities in the forum. One feature that has really been useful is a feature that allows a member to send out a comment or question directly to the Board members that only the Board members can see.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TomW14 on 07/30/2014 7:01 AM

We also have had some local companies sponsor the website and this generates some monies that help pay for it.

Just know that that income would be considered taxable by the IRS.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 07/30/2014 9:03 AM
Posted By TomW14 on 07/30/2014 7:01 AM

We also have had some local companies sponsor the website and this generates some monies that help pay for it.


Just know that that income would be considered taxable by the IRS.

My understanding is that the income from the website could be offset by the expense of the website, and tax would only be paid on the excess.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
I would defer to Bruce regarding the accounting of funds for Associations
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Our management company actually asked us to not use anything on the internet besides email to address homeowners concerns. We have a facebook (although the board has pretty much abandoned it because it is pretty much run by instigator homeowners) and we have a nextdoor. Those are fine for finding walking buddies and babysitters, selling things, etc. But they are not to be used for official communications for several reasons.
1. The management company likes to keep a paper trail in case a homeowner comes back and says we are not dealing with something.
2. If you have one neighbor who likes to stir the pot, it will turn into a gigantic mess soon enough. That was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back for us. As an example, our S#%@ stirrer has told people that they didn't have to comply with violation letters and she also told everyone to drop their studs-in insurance policies and just use the HOA's insurance policy for claims. She has also encouraged personal attacks on board members.

It just isn't worth it. You don't have documentation if something goes wrong and it's too easy for folks to get riled up over nonsense. Make yourselves available, but don't make yourselves vulnerable.
LauraR5 (Tennessee)
Posts: 220
Posted:
Our management company actually asked us to not use anything on the internet besides email to address homeowners concerns. We have a facebook (although the board has pretty much abandoned it because it is pretty much run by instigator homeowners) and we have a nextdoor. Those are fine for finding walking buddies and babysitters, selling things, etc. But they are not to be used for official communications for several reasons.
1. The management company likes to keep a paper trail in case a homeowner comes back and says we are not dealing with something.
2. If you have one neighbor who likes to stir the pot, it will turn into a gigantic mess soon enough. That was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back for us. As an example, our S#%@ stirrer has told people that they didn't have to comply with violation letters and she also told everyone to drop their studs-in insurance policies and just use the HOA's insurance policy for claims. She has also encouraged personal attacks on board members.

It just isn't worth it. You don't have documentation if something goes wrong and it's too easy for folks to get riled up over nonsense. Make yourselves available, but don't make yourselves vulnerable.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Laura,

Facebook sucks as a means to communicate information. I participate in several Facebook groups but have abandoned some others. It just does not work if you need to keep things in some sort of order.

My owners association for rural parcels has gone through several websites. The one that has run longest was started about 15 years ago and is run by a former board member; it is not an official site. Since only about 10% of the members live with in the community and the rest are scattered all over the world, it works to keep everyone informed by means of a forum-type format. The owner of that forum takes great care to limit access to bona fide owners and all posts are made with our real names. For whatever reasons, most of the board members have taken to boycotting this forum as they get peppered with the same issues online that were discussed in the board meetings.

Another person tried a similar forum but allowed the use of screen names. That site imploded when "Ranch Dude" started accusing others of real estate swindles. Of course, no one knows who Ranch Dude is/was.

Our association has had two official websites go south. The first was established, owned, and designed by one of our former presidents, who does web design for a living. When we changed management companies several years ago part of the deal was that we would get a new website. The former president took offense at that statement and took our "official" website down.

The then-new management company supplied us with a first class website that allowed us to check our account statuses online, to view announcements, to post messages or photos, or to email board members. Unfortunately, our board has recently devolved into rival camps and the management company terminated the contract and pulled the plug on "our" website.

My advice to anyone wanting an official website for their association is that the HOA own the site and all the content so that it does not disappear when someone gets their nose out of joint. A forum type of discussion board is desirable but only if the posts are limited to bona fide members using their real names. The site should also have areas for official announcements, official documents, account inquiries, and making online payments.
KarenP1
Posts: 41
Posted:
Kevin,

Hi. I would like to know if anyone on your Nextdoor site has seen an increase in spam on their personal email site?

Thank you.

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