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PeggyW3 (Michigan)
Posts: 73
Posted:
Is it OK to record meetings? I think it would be useful for me, an older person, who is taking the minutes and forgets easily. Can you just do it, informing the group it is being done, or do you have to have a majority vote or 100% vote to do this before the meeting. It states nothing about this in our Agreement. Thank you all for all you wonderful advice and help.

Peg
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Peggy,

Since Michigan doesn't have an HOA law (they do have a condominium law) you need to check your States corporate laws and wire tapping laws.

Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press website [emphasis added}:

Michigan prohibits the recording, interception, use or disclosure of any conversation, whether in person, telephone or via any electronic or computer-based communication system, without the permission of all the parties. The state also prohibits the recording and disclosure of images intercepted in violation of its hidden camera laws. Violators can face both civil and criminal penalties.

The Michigan law that is the basis of that statement is Section 750.539 of the Michigan Penal Code.

However, per a Michigan Court of Appeals ruling in SULLIVAN v. GRAY, a participant in a conversation to record that conversation without the permission of other parties. Please not that this was not a unanimous decision by the court. Therefore, you should check with a local attorney prior to relying on this one decision for recording the meeting.

One Option is, at the start of the meeting, announce that you are recording the meeting for the purpose of minutes and ask if anyone has an objection. If they do, don't record. The problem you have is that you are not the person taking the actual minutes. If you were taking the minutes, you would be in a better position. Additionally, especially since you are a member of the Board, if you do record the meeting, the actual recording could be considered an official record of the Association.

I think you would be better off drafting a resolution about recording meetings and have the Board adopt it. The resolution should contain the placement of the device(s) in the room, who owns the recording and, if property of the Association, how long the recording is to be kept. You may even want to do a search on this forum for "recording meetings" to see what issues about the subject has been discussed in the past.

Hope this helps,

Tim

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Personally I say audio/video any BOD meeting where I am on the BOD. I have nothing to hide from anyone. I say those that say no, are hiding something.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 03/18/2014 1:44 PM
Personally I say audio/video any BOD meeting where I am on the BOD. I have nothing to hide from anyone. I say those that say no, are hiding something.

I agree with you John ... Also, I personally like states that allow because it eliminates any he said / she said issues.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Tim,

These laws are designed to prohibit secret wire tapping and not HOA meetings - especially ones that are open and advertised to a potential audience. There is - and shouldn't be - a difference in whether Peggy uses an audio tape or a stenographer's machine to record the proceedings. Board members serving a quasi-public board have no expectation that their deliberations at a board meetings are somehow confidential.

Any board member with an objection should resign from the board or leave that particular meeting. Sneaky directors are the worst....
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
I agree that the laws concerning wiretapping and private conversations do not apply.

To my understanding, at least in AZ, recordings are specifically ALLOWED although the board may place some restrictions (like not interfering with the meeting).
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Here's a link

http://jrogerwoodlaw.com/homepage/lets-go-to-the-video-tape/

although I do recognize the complete irrelevance to an HOA in Michigan.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Kelly,

The laws might have been designed for one intent, however, they also apply to Peggy's HOA just as they apply to those in Broadcasting. I believe the case I cited supports that position (as this was the statute being ruled upon). Per Peggy's posting, she is not the Secretary. She desires to record the meeting for her benefit of verifying the minutes once they are produced.

MI does not have any applicable HOA law and therefore has no other statute that addresses her desire to record. Her HOA does not have a policy regarding taping meetings. Per the law I provided, if she obtains permission from everyone in the room, she may record the meeting. Per the case I cited, she may or may not actually need the permission from everyone because she is a participant in the conversation.

For the most part, I agree with your position that members of the Board should not have an objection. However, having worked in Broadcasting, I know what a little creative editing can do and I would only participate in recording if I had my own original to confront any creative editing. I would also advise any other Association to do the same thing (in broadcasting it's called an alibi file).

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I also offer the following from reporters recording guide main page[emphasis added]:

Although most of these statutes address wiretapping and eavesdropping β€” listening in on conversations of others without their knowledge β€” they usually apply to electronic recording of any conversations, including phone calls and in-person interviews.

Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law, although most also have extended the law to cover in-person conversations.. . .

Because this guide was written with the needs of journalists in mind, it does not address all aspects of electronic recording laws, including the issues of taping family members’ calls and using a tape recording as evidence in a lawsuit or prosecution. Non-journalists who have questions about taping should contact an attorney in their state.

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