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BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
Our HOA Annual Members Meeting is coming up in May which includes election of Board of Directors. There are three directors whose terms are expiring and those seats are up for election. Our election voting process is by written ballot.

We have issued our call for Candidates and, to date, no one has volunteered to fill those seats and have their names placed on the election ballot.

Our By Laws allow for Nominations from the Floor and Write in Votes. They also state that Roberts Rules of Order apply to all our meetings. Roberts Rules states that a member should know beforehand that the member he wishes to vote for (by nomination from the floor or write in) is eligible and willing to serve. I am looking for anyone's response to the following issues:

1. In the case of Nominations from the Floor or Write In votes, a member can be elected to the BOD with just a single vote. This is a very real possibility in our situation where no one is volunteering to be placed on the written ballot. While there is technically nothing we can do about that, it does give me some concern.

2. I am President of our Association and responsible for running the Annual Meeting. If there are nominations from the floor or write ins, I intend to ask the person making the nomination or write in if he verified that the person nominated is willing to serve. If he says he did not, I will ask the person nominated if he is willing to serve. If that person is not at the meeting to confirm willingness to serve, what is my next step? Is the nomination or write in allowed to stand with the possibility that he may later decline to serve?

Help??
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:

Bill

Allow me to add one more thing before I address your post. Proxy voting is allowed in SC unless your Bylaws say otherwise so be prepared for this.

In an election there needs to be an election oversight committee and one of their functions is to verify the person(s) nominated is eligible. This includes one nominated from the floor and any write-ins. Typically any nominated from the floor can be verified as eligible before the voting begins. Write-ins can only be verified as the votes are being counted as no one saw their name before. Nobody wastes there time verifying Mickey Mouse when he gets a write in vote.

Typically it is the person himself that nominates himself from the floor. You are suggesting someone not in attendance could be nominated by someone in attendance. I would expect the nominator would have to have something in writing from the person he nominated saying the person allows his name to be putin nomination. One cannot willy-nilly nominate another and expect it to be valid.

As far as a person being elected with only one vote, I suppose it could happen. It would mean all others eligible to vote did not vote. Generally in order to hold an election you need a quorum and requiring such means there is more then one person there and If so, then I fully expect more then one will vote. I do not see this as a concern. Have you even considered the quorum issue?

My experience says that typically an individual nominated from the floor has little chance of winning especially if he is not well known.

My opinion is if the winner(s) are not in attendance to accept, then the oversight committee will have to verify they are willing to accept election and serve before validating the election results. The election results might not be final before the meeting ends.

Hope this helps.

BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
John

Thanks for the input. We have a nominating committee to perform the functions you describe. We do vote by written ballot and the proxy/ballot forms are mailed to members in the Notice of Meeting at least 30 days prior to the meeting. A call for candidates letter has been sent with self nomination forms included.

My issue is a VERY apathetic membership and to date no one has sent in their self nomination form to be placed on the BOD election ballot. If that continues beyond the deadline for self nomination, we will have a ballot with no candidates to fill three expiring seats.

This is the case where a nomination from the floor or a write in could be elected with one or just a few votes. I am trying to be sure I am taking the correct actions should this scenario come to fruition, i.e., there are nominations from the floor for members who are not in attendance to verify their willingness to serve.

It sounds like you would be of the opinion that the election would be held with those nominations in play, but the election results could not be verified until those nominations confirmed that they are willing to serve.

I think that makes sense and will probably take that course of action should it be necessary.

Bill
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Bill,

We also have nominations from the floor. Additionally, with write-in candidates, members may write-in any name they wish (be they an announced candidate, a candidate nominated from the floor or someone the member simply thinks would be good). This is not a bad thing.

At one meeting, we had two members write in the name of another member. Nobody knew of this until the votes were counted. Like you, we didn't have enough candidates to fill all of the open positions. Therefore, technically this person won. Therefore, we approached the individual, explained what happened and asked if they were willing to serve. They said yes. It was actually one of the better boards I've served on.

My opinion is, unless you have qualifying factors for nominees, don't bother asking those questions at the meeting. If the individual is elected and later declines to serve, the Board typically has the power to appoint someone to fill the vacated position.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
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Posted By BillB17 on 03/18/2014 10:33 AM
John

Thanks for the input. We have a nominating committee to perform the functions you describe. We do vote by written ballot and the proxy/ballot forms are mailed to members in the Notice of Meeting at least 30 days prior to the meeting. A call for candidates letter has been sent with self nomination forms included.

My issue is a VERY apathetic membership and to date no one has sent in their self nomination form to be placed on the BOD election ballot. If that continues beyond the deadline for self nomination, we will have a ballot with no candidates to fill three expiring seats.

This is the case where a nomination from the floor or a write in could be elected with one or just a few votes. I am trying to be sure I am taking the correct actions should this scenario come to fruition, i.e., there are nominations from the floor for members who are not in attendance to verify their willingness to serve.

It sounds like you would be of the opinion that the election would be held with those nominations in play, but the election results could not be verified until those nominations confirmed that they are willing to serve.

I think that makes sense and will probably take that course of action should it be necessary.

Bill

Bill,

You mention that a nominee from the floor could be elected with one or just a few votes. What percentage of homeowners have to be in attendance, either in person, proxy or ballot to achieved quorum?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bill, I ask the same. What size quorum do you need to even hold an election?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bill

I know of two different set of SC Bylaws where if quorum was not met for an election, the election could be held again in 30 days with the quorum reduced by half. Then again 30 days later if no quorum was met with the quorum reduced another 50%. The again and again.

I know one HOA that went go from a quorum of 400 to 200 to 100 to 50 before they had a quorum and an election was held.

Where in SC is or association?

BillB17 (South Carolina)
Posts: 92
Posted:
Our Association consists of 422 total lots. Approximately 270 of these are developed with single family homes constructed on them. The Developer still owns the remaining 152 lots. Control of the Association was turned over to the membership in July 2010.

Our By Laws require 1/3 of the membership to establish a quorum (141 for a quorum). Since the Developer normally submits his proxy we have never had a problem establishing the quorum requirement.

Our HOA is in the Myrtle Beach area of South Carolina.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By BillB17 on 03/18/2014 6:39 AM
In the case of Nominations from the Floor or Write In votes, a member can be elected to the BOD with just a single vote.Is the nomination or write in allowed to stand with the possibility that he may later decline to serve?

If, as you stated, you are required to follow Robert's Rules, that is not entirely correct. On page 405 (RONR, 11th ed) it is stated: "A plurality that is not a majority never chooses a proposition or elects anyone to office except by virtue of a special rule previously adopted."

Simply put, this means that if 20 votes are cast, a person must receive at least 11 votes to be elected. The chances of a write-in candidate receiving a majority is virtually nil. Using some other rules of Parliamentary Procedure, such as Sturgis, the result could be different. I once read an article that compared elections in two organizations with the same number of candidates and the same numerical results. One organization used Roberts whereas the other used Sturgis. Although the results were identical, the outcome would have been different for each organization.
HelenL1 (New Mexico)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Our annual election is coming up in less than three weeks. We have a nominating committee that chose to only put two candidates on the ballot for two open positions and did not include other applicants who were members in good standing who had applied saying they have that right by their role as described in our bylaws. The absentee ballot has been issued and states that you cannot do a "write in" on the absentee ballot and only offers those two candidates. We have over 400 members and many vote by absentee. Can HOA's include a write in line on an absentee ballot in New Mexico? Why wouldn't that be allowable?

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