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MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:

Description of Community:
We are a small 2.5 street community, rear entry garage, & have an elementary school that shares one of the main streets.

Details:
Long story short, I moved to this community almost 2 yrs ago & took over as president/director position last summer. The communication is that our prior HOA BOD's were very lackluster during the past few years to say the least.

Problem:
We have a parking rule that homeowners aren't supposed to park on our streets & are supposed to park in the rear garage or driveway. Many people do not comply to this rule & from what I hear never really have.

It's ok to park there for short periods of time, but we (homeowners) are not supposed to park overnight.

The rule has been up for vote a few times & it never gets overturned. Mostly due to a lack of participation of homeowners.

My Thoughts:

My first thought is to go door to door, trying to have a quick discussion with each homeowner to talk about the rule & the benefits of it.

My concern is what to do next if after our discussion, people still don't comply.

My Question:

Has anyone ever had something similar to this?
What did you do to successfully resolve it?
Is it possible to come out of this situation with everyone happy?

I'm trying to be brief for simplicity sake, if you would like to know additional details, ask away.

Thanks in advance for your assistance!!!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Hi Mike,

Welcome to the forum.

My suggestion is, if proxies are allowed, to set a meeting to repeal the parking rule. Then when you go door to door, take directed proxies (where the member instructs the representative a specific way to vote) with you and have them fill out the form. This should get you the numbers.

Then if the vote is to repeal the rule, the members have spoken.

If the vote fails to repeal the rule, the members have spoken and you can point to that vote as the reason why the Board is now enforcing that rule.

I've attached a copy of a directed proxy (if it helps)

Hope this helps,

Tim
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MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thanks Tim! I'll give that a try.

Besides appearance, safety during school pickup lines, overall property value (due to the appearance), is there anything else that you can think of why you don't want people to park on the streets?

So let's say, the repeal doesn't pass. What are 'standard' ways to enforce when members break a rule like parking? Do other communities fine in those situations?
How do you handle someone who still refused to comply even after the new vote?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Mike:

May I ask who owns the streets? Are the streets owned and maintained by the HOA or are the streets owned and maintained by the local government?

I have not looked at TX statutes on this issue, but I know that other states have over the last few years made changes to their state statutes where if the HOA does not own the street and if it is public property then the HOA cannot regulate. Again, this issue can vary depending on each State and their regulations and who owns the property in question.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MikeU on 03/17/2014 8:28 PM

Besides appearance, safety during school pickup lines, overall property value (due to the appearance), is there anything else that you can think of why you don't want people to park on the streets?

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Posted By MikeU on 03/17/2014 8:28 PM

So let's say, the repeal doesn't pass. What are 'standard' ways to enforce when members break a rule like parking?

It doesn't matter what the standard ways may or may not be. Your Board can only do what your governing documents (mainly the CC&Rs) and/or applicable laws authorize.

Some governing documents allow monetary penalties, some allow towing or booting, some require warnings others require hearings.

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Posted By MikeU on 03/17/2014 8:28 PM

Do other communities fine in those situations?

For us, we give an informal warning (typically written posted on the car).
Then a formal warning (written sent to member)
Then hold a hearing (which can be appealed)
Then institute monetary penalties (as authorized by our State laws)
Additionally, if needed, our CC&Rs authorize towing

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Posted By MikeU on 03/17/2014 8:28 PM

How do you handle someone who still refused to comply even after the new vote?

You follow your enforcement procedures.

Mike,

I would recommend that you review the rule and see if there are areas that are unclear (for example: no overnight parking - define overnight, between hours of, if I park the car at 6 pm and move it at midnight, is that overnight? etc.) If there are, clarify them.

If your considering towing, then make sure you review your County/City towing laws, as many require specific signage and/or warnings (24 hr notice before towing as an example).

Find out why people are parking on the street (convenience, too many cars, cars won't fit in garage, etc.) and try to address those issues if possible.

Consider alternatives (like parking on only one side of the street or alternating sides of the street).

Hope this helps,

Tim

MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
JanetB2,

I do not think the streets are owned by the HOA & they are under city guidance.

From what I understand, that is a debate that has occurred here in the past. Many members would ask, "how can the HOA govern city owned property?". At which the typical response is "the government owned property is within the confines of the HOA regulated area".
MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Very thorough & this is exactly what will help me, thank you Tim!
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Mike:

You need to be careful because if the HOA does not own the property … then the question is can they regulate property owned by another entity? My association does not regulate the public streets and if someone parks a trailer or something that should not be parked on the street, the city will eventually have them remove. If they park it on the lot violating our governing documents, then the HOA can ask for it to be removed.

I would recommend checking your state statutes regarding what is defined as HOA property and what can be regulated. Look for definitions which describe “common elements” or “common interest community”. Below are examples from a couple of states I am familiar with the statutes as examples:

NV statute states:

NRS 116.017  “Common elements” defined.
(b) A planned community, any real estate within a planned community which is owned or leased by the association, other than a unit.

CO statute states:

38-33.3-103. Definitions
(8) "Common interest community" means real estate described in a declaration with respect to which a person, by virtue of such person's ownership of a unit, is obligated to pay for real estate taxes, insurance premiums, maintenance, or improvement of other real estate described in a declaration. Ownership of a unit does not include holding a leasehold interest in a unit of less than forty years, including renewal options. The period of the leasehold interest, including renewal options, is measured from the date the initial term commences.

In NV the HOA’s were getting out of hand and fined then were foreclosing on owners who had vehicles legally parked on the public streets. Since the HOA’s could not get it through their heads that was not allowed what NV did was spell it out adding to their State Statutes the following:

NRS 116.350  Limitations regarding regulation of certain roads, streets, alleys or other thoroughfares; permissible regulation of parking or storage of certain vehicles.
1.  In a common-interest community which is not gated or enclosed and the access to which is not restricted or controlled by a person or device, the executive board shall not and the governing documents must not provide for the regulation of any road, street, alley or other thoroughfare the right-of-way of which is accepted by the State or a local government for dedication as a road, street, alley or other thoroughfare for public use.


More states are starting to look at this issue as it gets out of hand in some areas of the country. In my area we resolve the issue by having the City legally responsible for their government “public property” and the HOA does not regulate or accept the legal responsibility. We feel it is best not to open ourselves to a legal battle and if we do not like the city ordinances, we can solicit the city to enact more strict rules themselves. Essentially if our assessments are not utilized to maintain and improve the property … then we do not regulate that property. Choose your battles wisely ... make sure if you want to engage in that battle that if push comes to shove the HOA absolutely can win.
MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
You all are awesome, thanks again for the help!!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MikeU on 03/18/2014 9:45 PM
JanetB2,

I do not think the streets are owned by the HOA & they are under city guidance.

If you haven't gotten a legal opinion on this, you may want to consider obtaining one. The question to ask would be:

Based on our governing documents and applicable laws, does the Association have the authority to enforce parking restrictions on the public streets within our development and, if the Association has such authority, would that authority be upheld if challenged in the courts (if there is case law on this, please cite)?

$600 now for this opinion might be worth it. It would also provide the Association with a much better response to the members question: "how can the HOA govern city owned property?"
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
DITTO
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mike

You already have rules about parking. Do you not like them? Are you looking to change them? Are you looking to have people verify them?

What do you want? If it is to start enforcing them then send a nice letter informing all that what the rules are and the punishment for violating them. Also give them a time frame (say 30 days) to adapt then start enforcing them as they are.

MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Q. You already have rules about parking. Do you not like them?

A. I like the rules. The problem is that not everyone obliges by them & past BODs didn't enforce the rules.

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My original questions were (simply put)... Sorry, I have a way of dragging out questions...

Q. Can anyone share their experiences on enforcing rules that haven't been enforced by prior BOD's?

Q. If we start enforcing them, & fines are incurred, any suggestions on the route for those that just refuse to pay?

MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
I forgot to comment that...I also understand that that it isn't just what I like.

I want 95% of the members to agree the rules! it's not about what I like
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mike

Not to beat a dead horse (especially in TX) but 100% agreed with the rules when they bought in.

If you put it to a vote probably few will vote and that to me is not validation the rule is good and people want it.

We are having the same discussion as we owners work toward taking over. We have a great relationship with our developer but he let some violations slide as he did not want to upset people. We will be writing a polite letter addressing the issues (some are common violations) from an overall point of view and asking people to conform. We are hoping many will conform but if not, we will discuss going after those that will not abide. We can fine but we do not have a fining plan/schedule in place so we will need one in place before we go after anybody. This could mean that some violations will have been going on for years but so be it. I expect the first thing we will hear from some is "we have been doing it like this for years and no one said anything".

I realize your issue is tougher then ours but I say send a polite letter then start enforcing. If the owners object then let them start the proper action to repeal/modify your rule.

MikeU (Texas)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thanks for the input.... You are right about the participation (or lack their of) & that is a whole new challenge that I intended to open a new thread on for thoughts.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MikeU on 03/20/2014 1:18 PM

Q. Can anyone share their experiences on enforcing rules that haven't been enforced by prior BOD's?

Depended on the violation.

Like John, we initially sent letters. For parking issues, we announced that we would be looking closely at these in our newsletter and then addressed all violators per our procedure.

For architectural issues we initially sent a letter specifying that the Association does not have documentation of approval and we ask that the owner provide a copy of the approval, submit a request for the change or correct the issue.

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Posted By MikeU on 03/20/2014 1:18 PM

Q. If we start enforcing them, & fines are incurred, any suggestions on the route for those that just refuse to pay?

Personally, when we fine we initially offer to waive all fines if the issue is corrected by mm/dd/yyyy. Of course, this doesn't work with parking issues. Therefore, I offer the advice I received in the military:

Don't threaten something you are not willing to follow through on. If you fail to follow through, it makes the threat meaningless and you will lose respect of others.

If your going to fine, you better be willing to follow through fully. This not only means assessing the owner for the fine but going through the full collection process (including legal action) if that is what it takes.

Again, if these issues are over parking, since your streets are public, I strongly urge you to seek a legal opinion or two.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Mike the way our Town Adm explained it to our Board when they took over our streets is if our Declarations are more stringent than the town ordinances then our Declarations would apply and we could enforce our Declarations. You may want to check with your town or city.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Once, you know for certain that your HOA can enforce the parking ban on the streets, JohnC's reply and Tim's elaboration look good to to me re: how to inform owners that the board will start enforcing your governing documents.

Your letter to homeowners, e-blasts, or whatever should try to be clear, firm yet friendly.

You may have far fewer scofflaws than you think!

If some refuse to pay, look to your documents and state laws about what to do next.

IF your documents permit, withdraw access to common area privileges (if you have any worth withholding). This has been very effective in my HOA in avoiding recidivism and also in hastening payment.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Mike mentioned their is a 'rule' regarding parking.

Is this the case or were you just being general and it is actually a deed restriction?

Concerning in cases like this is the time that this has been allowed to go on.

This may have gone on for so long that cited members could seek a court's waiver. When a provision has not been enforced in the past, with common [BOD] knowledge of the violation, violators MAY have the equitable defense of waiver, meaning that the BOD has not acted on this and have allowed it to occur in the past and as such they have waived their right to now claim members are in violation.

If the violators can show disadvantages because for a long time they relied on the fact that no enforcement would occur, then the case COULD be dismissed in the interests of justice.

From what I have read in researching this in the past for our assn. this is the 'equitable theory of latches', meaning that while they may have had a right to enforce the rule, their failure to enforce it for so long as been to the current violators prejudice.

Some assn. documents address this and attempt indemnify the assn. against Latches but that does not always mean a judge will.

A long shot?, maybe.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
It's 'laches' not latches.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
Found some of my earlier research materials. Here's one:
http://www.hindmansanchez.com/resources/article/avoiding-common-covenant-enforcement-defenses

It contains the following:

"Laches is a defense closely related to estoppel. An owner can establish laches if there is a failure by the association to enforce a restriction for an unreasonable period of time, and as a result of the delay, the owner has suffered some disadvantage. There is no specific length of time that the homeowner must show to establish a defense of laches, but rather that the passage of time was unreasonable or unexplained and that there was some action by the owner based upon the inaction of the association. This is a defense that can be easily avoided by vigilant covenant enforcement. The association must act quickly upon receiving notice of a violation, and should have a specific enforcement policy. Warning letters should have a specific date for required compliance, and there needs to be diligent follow up by the association. The owner should never be given the impression that the association has no intention of enforcing the restrictions. Waiver is somewhat different from estoppel and laches in that the owner does not have to show reliance to his detriment on some act of the association. Waiver is generally defined as an intentional relinquishment of a known right. To establish a valid waiver, the owner must show that the association both knew that it had the right to enforce a provision, and intentionally failed to enforce it. Many declarations explicitly provide that if the association waives the right to enforce a covenant once, that waiver cannot then be held to apply to all situations. A variance is a good example of a waiver. Although the association has the right to enforce a provision, it intentionally grants a variance, or exception to the provision, to an individual homeowner under the specific circumstances of that situation. Many homeowners will try to “bootstrap” themselves into the defense of waiver based upon a variance granted to another homeowner by the association. It is essential that the association be very precise with respect to the granting of a variance, limiting it to the specific homeowner, and quoting any applicable sections within the declaration, so that other homeowners may not claim that variance constitutes a waiver of the provision as to other owners."
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Mike:

I agree with Tim's statement: "Again, if these issues are over parking, since your streets are public, I strongly urge you to seek a legal opinion or two." In my area most attorneys will give a short 20-30 minute "free" consultation and since your question is just a simple one regarding parking the answer from a couple of attorneys might be "free" or at a very minimum charge.

Once you find out your answer and insure the HOA can or cannot win with regards to the issue, and depending on the outcome you may want to have your HOA consider changing your documents to abide by the attorney's opinion and/or the consensus of the majority homeowners. If the attorney states you can regulate parking on public streets, but the majority of owners no longer wish to have that provision then it is time to amend your governing documents to prevent future disruption on the issue. This in turn will help eliminate discrepancies or any homeowner threatening to sue regarding the issue in the future.

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