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PaulaT1 (Arizona)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Does a homeowner have the authority to set up an HOA forum representing the Board when they are not on the Board?
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
By "forum," do you mean some sort of meeting in your HOA's common area? In a clubhouse or meeting room, for instance?

Or do you mean some kind of online forum such as this one? Or something altogether different than either?

Either way, a homeowner may not "represent" or pretend to represent the Board (or the HOA) when they are not serving on it.

Can you give us an example of the situation and maybe the wording used, or that might be used, to "set up" this forum?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Only with approval of the Board.

Otherwise, if they do make a site, they need to put plainly visible disclaimers that the site is not the official site of the Association. In my opinion, this disclaimer should be on each and every page of the site. Additionally, if such a site is created, the owner of the site should be aware of potential liability issues associated with defamation (i.e. libel).

Not knowing if you are a member of the Board, the owner of such a website or simply a concerned neighbor, I will offer the following from my experience:

I published an unauthorized newsletter for three years. During that time, I attended as many Board meetings as I could, read and learned the proper interpretation of our Governing documents and applicable State laws. When writing the newsletter, I let zero emotion into any of the articles. I stuck with the facts, provided references for the basis of those facts (so they could be independently verified) and basically let the facts speak for themselves. Even though I would question and criticized the actions of the Board I never signaled out a single individual. In fact, I would often praise them for stepping up and volunteering to serve on the Board. In essence, I used the newsletter to educate the membership. It took three years before I even saw the slightest change in the membership or the Board. It took even longer for actual changes to occur. However, they did occur.

If you're the owner of the site, know that it will be a long term process (I chose the newsletter as this put something physical in the hands of the members). Be willing to step up and pitch in running the Association where you can and will be allowed to do so (as this shows you're not just complaining but are willing to do the work necessary to make the changes you think should happen).

If your a member of the Board - don't simply dismiss the issue. Yes, take steps so others don't think the site is the official site of the Association (typically a simple demand letter from the attorney is enough to have that occur). However, listen to the concerns and review the governing documents and applicable laws. If the issue is valid, work to correct it. If the issue is invalid or caused by a misinterpretation of the governing documents/laws, then start educating. Even though I has an issue with the Board, I was always welcomed to the Board meetings and listened to. You need to do the same.

If your a concerned member, explain these issues to both parties. Then take the additional time needed to verify what you are trusting. What you verify will likely provide an indication of your next course of action.

Hope this helps,

Tim
PaulaT1 (Arizona)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I am the VP on our HOA Board. We have two problem homeowners who have made our lives complete hell the past few months. They will always be problem children. They set up a FB page labeled as our HOA Forum Page. None of the Board members are on it or wish to be on it.

Wondering if this is legal or not?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
For legality, you will need to consult with an attorney.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Paula

Typically if the alternative web site is close in name and/or can be considered confusing to the average person, it can be shut down.

That said, not all alternative web sites are a bad thing especially if a BOD will not listen.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By PaulaT1 on 03/16/2014 3:28 PM

We have two problem homeowners who . . . set up a FB page labeled as our HOA Forum Page.

Wondering if this is legal or not?

Paula,

My association has an official website that is essentially a one-way street. The board gets to put out its message but never posts any feedback from the members.

A former board member also hosts an unofficial forum where we can discuss pretty much anything we wish. While membership on the unofficial site is limited to association members, it is clearly not the official site. In fact, the unofficial site has a link to the official site. Not surprisingly, the official site has not reciprocated.

I spend a lot of time on FaceBook and find it is not very well suited for discussing anything of importance. The lack of indexing makes it almost impossible to find a specific topic within a group. I have seen disgruntled owners from other associations create FB groups and I have yet to be impressed by one. My advice is leave the FB page alone as it will eventually implode upon itself.

Rather than trying to suppress dissent, your association should have a website of its own under the name of your association (dot com) and the site should allow owners the opportunity to discuss all matters without restrictions that pertain to your association.

The most likely legal issue would be over the use of the name. You would have to sue for an injunction, calling even more attention to the FB page. That is probably not a good idea.

BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulaT1 on 03/16/2014 3:28 PM
I am the VP on our HOA Board. We have two problem homeowners who have made our lives complete hell the past few months. They will always be problem children. They set up a FB page labeled as our HOA Forum Page. None of the Board members are on it or wish to be on it.

Wondering if this is legal or not?

There's always 2 sides to every story. Why are you concerned about this other than the name? If it's the name which bothers you or causes confusion to the members put out some communication from the Board that their website is independent of the ____________ HOA.

If you read any posts from Tim or JonD1 and others, they had issues with their HOA BOD's. As Tim said, he created his own newsletter and it took JonD1 years to get rid of the zipper heads on his board.

So my point is Tim's and Jon's HOA BOD probably felt the same way about them as you feel about your "problem children." It's all in your perspective. Maybe they have legitimate reasons for setting up the website.

Just saying.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/16/2014 4:11 PM
For legality, you will need to consult with an attorney.

For legality I agree with Tim as we are not attorneys.

You Stated: None of the Board members are on it or wish to be on it.

If none of the board members are on the FB page and if page makes clear that it is not the HOA Board but a page for just homeowners to express themselves ... that may be freedom of speech. I have seen websites that homeowners have set up blasting wrong activities of their board ... would that be illegal ... probably not as they do exist.

Has the FB page been derogatory or has the information been somewhat pleasant? I potentially would not make an isssue of it as long as decent conversation and the board can check on it periodically. It can give insight to your members personalities and maybe a means to address issues before they become mountains.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You can set up any newsletter or web site you want, its a free country. What you cannot do is pretend to be the official HOA by use of their name. Name it whatever you want, but make sure its not confused with the official HOA. You can talk about whatever you want, its your group. And you don't need the permission of any board or whatnot, since they are not part of your group. You represent the homeowners, they represent the HOA.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Instead of Happy Valley Owners Association try Happy Valley Pi$$ed Off Owners Association.

That might eliminate any confusion.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Sure, they can host a forum but can't say it represents the HOA in an official capacity. It's their comments that are placed in that forum - in their hand - that you observe. I would totally be a member of their forum, even if I never wrote a thing on it. Don't forget that this is only "HOA stuff" and you're a volunteer. You're offering in services what they're paying you.

Your neighbors are wasting a lot of energy that could be put to good use in solving problems....but that's their problem.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By RobertS51 on 03/19/2014 7:31 AM

I am currently writing a book HOA WARS What Happens in Vegas Can Happen Anywhere.
If you or someone you know is willing to share a WAR STORY with a Board and have it included please let me know. xxx-xxx-xxxx

Somebody didn't read the posting rules.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Somebody didn't read the posting rules


Is it selling if the product doesn't exist yet?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Yes it is selling a product/idea. It's someone spamming this site with their own personal agenda. Would I or you see a dime of money if we shared our ideas/stories and it's used in this book? Probably not. Wouldn't you want paid for sharing your idea that someone is going to make money off of? Then it's selling something...

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By SteveM9 on 03/19/2014 1:13 PM

Is it selling if the product doesn't exist yet?

Is it selling? No. Per Merriam Webster to sell is to "to exchange (something) for money"

The actual issue is the solicitation. Per Merriam Webster http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soliciting to solicit is to "to ask for (something, such as money or help) from people, companies, etc."

I suppose, to look at it technically, that everyone who initially came to this site violated posting rule #2 by "soliciting" for help. However, in my opinion, RobertS51 broke the spirit of the rule by the way he solicited.

Personally, had he simply started a single thread and posed his question, to me, that would have been fine with me and I doubt I would have contacted the moderators. Instead, I would have asked him how much he was willing to pay me to publish my story in his book. However, he chose to post the question on about a dozen threads which, to me, is annoying at best and worst forum spam.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
oops, I pasted info into the wrong area for the link about solicting.

Here is a properly working link (darn lack of editing): Merriam Webster Definition of solicit

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