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BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
My HOA mailed out the 2013 dues and we paid them in full. Now, 3 months later, they sent another bill to all homeowners (for the same year- 2013) that states a 20% increase in dues by the board! Is this Legal? Can they do this after the fact?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bruce

Quite often docs do allow the BOD to raise dues a specific amount each year. I have never seen any restrictions as to when the raise may take place.

Ours allow for 5% per year via BOD action alone.

Check your docs.

BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you John. I have checked both CCR's and Bylaws. But nowhere it mentions if they can raise and seek to collect after the first mail out. It only says they can raise 25% every year. But what I like to know is that can they just decide to raise it for the same year that they had just mailed out the previous amount couple months ago?
We live in Texas, by the way.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bruce:

Unless your governing documents state that they must execute the option to raise prior to sending out notices, then most likely they can raise at any time for that year. You answers most likely will be found in your governing documents or under the State Statutes regarding assessments.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
If something is not in your governing documents then this might be a time when you could get your neighbors to agree to change the documents for the future.

In my association the board prior to the annual meeting must determine the expenses for the year, which in turn is presented to the membership for approval at the Annual Membership Meeting prior to assessing the members. This is all laid out in a spreadsheet including money to be set aside in a separate account for future repairs to Capital Improvements which might be needed such as replacing the roof on the pump house or replacing main irrigation lines.

This still does not eliminate the fact that if something major happens it must be fixed and must be paid for, so if an HOA does not have money saved up which has been set aside to take care of these type major issues then the owners can be assessed a one time fee to pay for the repairs.

BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you all for your input. Unfortunately, our HOA is in the hands of the developer eventhough it's all built out. He, as the president of board has a final say on the 5000 power of vote that he has in a subdivision that has only 300 homes! Out of 4 members, all of them except one, do not live in the subdivision. We tried to get him out by trying to sue him but he is well funded. The most our $7000 legal funds that we raised did was to make him to accept one of the homeowners in the board. I think it's a law in Texas that there must be at least 3 members on the board aside from the president. So every year he does what he wants and without solid financial backing, we can not sue him. It's been a money making deal for him as he subcontract things such as landscaping, to his own company and charges more than double. It's really a shame that we are at his mercy. And by the way, our subdivision has bear minimum and neglect is evident.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
What do your governing documents state with regards to developer turnover when he no longer has control? Also, please confirm for sure if you are single family homes or condominium complex?
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
We are single family home subdivision. The docs lets the developer to be the board president until 2034 or if he voluntarily decides to step down, which is very unluckly. He has made it to his favor when he first filed the by laws and CCRs.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
My concern is that since your assessments are yearly and paid at the beginning of the year, I would consider what they did as a special assessment. We pay monthly, and if raise dues by 20%, which is the legal limit with only Board approval, then the increase would apply 30-60 days AFTER it was approved. You have already paid for the whole year. The increase, IMO, should have been instituted at the beginning of the year.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BruceH8 on 03/13/2014 6:36 AM
We are single family home subdivision. The docs lets the developer to be the board president until 2034 or if he voluntarily decides to step down, which is very unluckly. He has made it to his favor when he first filed the by laws and CCRs.

That might not necessarily be true depending on your State Laws. Have all the homes been constructed, and if not what is the percentage of homes that have been built vs. not yet built.

Most states (except for few such as FL) limit the developer after a period of time no matter what the governing documents state as period of control.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Sorry Bruce I just noticed that you had previously stated the HOA was completely built out. Here is a link for the Texas State Statutes:

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Index.aspx

Title 11 is the section that covers Restrictive Covenants

As just an average citizen when I read some of Texas statutes I personally think they are a bit goofy because some sections only apply to counties of a certain size or if located within X miles of bodies of water, etc. Not sure why they complicate the situation in such a manner.

The following is a link to a prior conversation on this site regarding developer control questions another person from TX posted which might help give you more info:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Search/ForumSearch/tabid/87/view/topic/postid/130443/Default.aspx
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BruceH8 on 03/13/2014 6:36 AM
We are single family home subdivision. The docs lets the developer to be the board president until 2034 or if he voluntarily decides to step down, which is very unluckly. He has made it to his favor when he first filed the by laws and CCRs.

And yet you voluntarily purchased a home there knowing this. While he may be Board president until 2034 - what about the other Board members? The president gets one vote just like the other directors and one is not a majority.

Just out of curiosity, have you and your fellow homeowners considered amending the Covenants to remove that section?????

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Bruce,

Bottom line is no one on this site can really answer your question. All we can really say is that the authority to raise assessments and any requirements/limitations on when they can be raised typically come from the governing documents.

If you have problems interpreting a section of your governing documents, we may be able to come up with a consensus on the meaning of it (limited by what you cite).

Without seeing the governing documents, the letters sent about the assessment or the minutes of the meeting where the increase was approved, I agree with Richard that it may be that a special assessment was adopted and it just appears that the regular assessments are going up 20%. Of course, this could be in error as well. We just don't have enough information and, due to posting rules, you may be limited in the information you can actually provide.

Typically, voting power is based on the number of lots owned. Therefore, I find it odd that your development is 100% built but the Declarant still has lots. Perhaps there are additional sections/phases that are planned but not yet implemented and it's these sections that give the Declarant the voting power they have. Again, we can easily speculate (and we have gotten pretty good at doing that), but that's all it would be - speculation.

My suggestion, request a copy of the minutes from the meeting that raised the assessments (as this may give you more information).

Tim

BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Thank you all. Our docs gives 5000 power of vote to the board president and one vote per other board members and households. When I bought my house, like so many others, we were told by home builder that once 80% of lots built, then we can remove the developer. Later we found out it was a false statement. And it was too late as all lots were built and all builders left town or bankrupt or chagrd names!
Afterall. We didn't know this so called developer could not care less about the community but the money that it would make him. But that's another story. With regard to the original issue at hand, we got our dues and paid them in full. Then about a month or two later, the board has a meeting and the vote to increase dues to the maximim allowed by our HOA docs which was 20%. And now we have received a second bill in order to pay for the increase.
Thanks again all.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Bruce:

Depending on what your documents state with regards to developer votes can make a difference. What I have seen from posters in TX is generally the developer initially has a certain "class" of votes and then that tends to change at some point after X number of homes are built (such as what you stated above with the 80% figure). Did you review the other link I posted above and again have below?

The following is a link to a prior conversation on this site regarding developer control questions another person from TX posted which might help give you more info:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Search/ForumSearch/tabid/87/view/topic/postid/130443/Default.aspx

The homeowner on that post really knew his governing documents and posted a website link for anyone to review the documents. He also was familiar with the TX state statutes that were potentially applicable to his situation.
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Hi Janet and thank you for the link. His situation is somewhat similar to us, except that the Bylaws says only if "100% of lots are built and occupied by class A members". (Which is homeowners). But still he claims to own the clubhouse and pool area. In fact. About 3 years ago he took a $735,000 loan on it!!!
He has made it clear that he does not fear a challenge in court as he knows we do not have his financial backing. It's a sad fact that we are being ruled by a dictator that squezz very dime from us. By the way, this so called developer was just a wealthy land owner and he took advantage of the boom in 2005 and decided to become a developer. Very very unfortunate for us. Thanks.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
What does your governing documents state with regards to who owns the Club House or Pool? Also, check with your Local County Records regarding those items and who is listed as the owner for the property. Is it still the developer or the Homeowner Association?

BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Very good question. Developer never deeded the clubhouse and pool are to the HOA. We. Searched and found that out. I understand it is customers to deed it to HOA for $1.00.
But not on our case.
Also I have looked. Thru the governing docs and have not found anything that mentions who suppose to own them. I'll look again. Thanks.
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
I sure will be willing to share. I can contact you later so that I may email you our docs that is absolutely absurd. But give me few weeks to find time. When are you planning to finish your book?
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
SPAM - TROLL - ARE YOU FED YED ?

no docs would give 'power of 5000 vote to pres and 1 for each other BOD'
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Our does give developer 5000 votes. Believe it or not. I'll be happy to email it to you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
I will say, having looked for houses in Texas (fortunately after I have been educated on HOA issues) I've seen quite a few things in the governing documents that I haven't seen anywhere else.

For example: In one community, the CC&Rs actually gave the Declarant authority to waive a covenant at their discretion. I posted about it at the time. I'll see if I kept a copy of those CC&Rs.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bruce ... If the clubhouse and pool are not owned by the association ... are you and other owners being charged assessments by the HOA to maintain those properties? I find this situation quite curious.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 03/24/2014 9:14 AM
I will say, having looked for houses in Texas (fortunately after I have been educated on HOA issues) I've seen quite a few things in the governing documents that I haven't seen anywhere else.

For example: In one community, the CC&Rs actually gave the Declarant authority to waive a covenant at their discretion. I posted about it at the time. I'll see if I kept a copy of those CC&Rs.

Starting to sound a bit like FL where I would absolutely not purchase a property if the developer still controlled. I am curious now about TX in case my hubby ever gets transferred.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Janet,

Simply make sure that you vet the Association prior to agreeing to purchase. Because the disclosure laws are different, you may have to pay for some of the information (copies of Association documents) and rely on the seller to get them to you.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Thanks Tim ... Also, been trying to better understand TX statutes. They are (guess the word I would use is "cumbersome") as many reference size of county and X number of miles from waterways in order for certain items to apply. I'm not sure why their legislators complicate HOA's in this manner.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JanetB2 on 03/26/2014 4:05 PM

I'm not sure why their legislators complicate HOA's in this manner.

I believe it's because they see property rights, water rights, mineral rights, etc. as all separate issues (as it's possible to purchase property but not have the mineral rights for that property and, you must accommodate the mineral rights owner to allow drilling if needed).

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Tim ... but I would not think those mineral rights (or other rights other than water) would be contingent upon "size of County" or "X miles from a waterway"? I need to figure out which of the statutes would apply only to the Dallas Fort Worth area. I would rather be prepared ahead of time in case needed rather than looking and purchasing a home by seat of pants
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
The CC&Rs I mentioned that authorized the Declarant to waive the covenants to make a sale was in the McKinney area.
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Yes. Our HOA is being charged about $7000 a month so that residents can use the facilities.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BruceH8 on 03/24/2014 5:59 AM
Our does give developer 5000 votes. Believe it or not. I'll be happy to email it to you.

I would like to see it if you still offering to email and can send to [email protected]. 5,000 votes and $7,000 per month both seem overly excessive.
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Yes I'll email it.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bruce:

Just started reading ... You do understand that your CCR's are just a portion of the overall "Master Association"? Do you have a copy of the "Master CCR" defined in Article I, Section 1?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Bruce:

Do you also have a copy of the Plat described in Exhibit A? Also, does this Plat include the Clubhouse or Pool areas?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Bruce:

From what I am reading potentially according to your prior statement whereby you stated you are 100% built out with the developer not owning property the following would potentially apply:

Section 4. Voting and Membership Limitations. The Association shall have two (2) classes
of Members:

(i) Class "A". Class "A" Members shall be all Owners, with the exception of Declarant. Each Class "A" Member shall be entitled to one (1) vote for each Lot owned by such Member in the Properties; provided, however, when more than one person holds an interest in any Lot, all such persons shall be Members, and the vote for such Lot shall be exercised by them as they among themselves determine but in no event shall more than one (1) vote be cast with regard to any Lot owned by a Class "A" Member.

(ii) Class "B". The Class "B" Member shall be Declarant. The Class "B" Member shall have 5,000 votes, until the Class "B" membership and Class "B" votes cease to exist as set forth below. All Class "B" and the Class B membership votes shall cease to exist and automatically be converted to Class "A" votes and the Class B membership shall no longer exist on the happening of any of the following events, whichever occurs earlier:

(a) When 100% of the Lots on the Property (including Property added hereto by annexation) planned for development has been sold to and occupied by Class A Members that are not Sub-developers;

(b) December 31, 2030; or

(c) At such earlier time as the holder of the Class "B" votes may, in its sole discretion, elect, as evidenced by a document recorded in the real property records of Fort Bend County, Texas.

However, you need to insure that the following has not taken place which is included in your documents:

(iii) Reinstatement of Class "B" Votes. Notwithstanding the prior provisions of Section 4(b) or 4(c) above, if additional property is made subject to the jurisdiction of the Association pursuant to a Supplemental Declaration, or if Declarant repurchases any Lots, such that Declarant again owns any Lots in the Property, then the provisions regarding Class "B" votes in this Section 4, shall be automatically reinstated ipso facto.

LOL … Hope you understand that if I was purchasing and read either (ii)(a) or (iii) above then I would have had one of two responses to the developer either (1) UP YOURS, or (2) BITE ME. If enough people across the country would stand up and NOT purchase with absurd statements in documents then we can maybe all make a difference. If developers could not sell properties with those type statements then they themselves would choose to eliminate those statements … but it unfortunately takes many people willing to take a stand, and unfortunately as many have noticed on this website many people do not read or possibly comprehend their CCR’s prior to purchase.
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Hi Janet and thank you so very much to meticulously going thru docs. Unfortunately, these docs are so long and somewhat complicated that people assume for the best and never think of such sinister agenda behind it.
I just wished that there was a clear cut law that protected the homeowners.
But there is none. Unfortunately, there developers have deep pockets with deep connections to certain local politicians and judges. We know that this guy continually supports certain Shriff and judges.
Thanks again.
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
I'll also try to find the master CCR and send it to you.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
un - freakin - believable

it may be time to emigrate
BruceH8 (Texas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
Yes I wished state law was in such way that could order these type of people get out and be punished with heafty fines.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
? Where is Hammurabi when he is needed ?

j/i/c: as in 'code of' / an eye for an eye ....

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
food for thought:

under common law an 'unconscionable' contract can not be enforced and may be ruled null and void

good luck with that in our nation of merchant barbarians
WilliamB16 (Illinois)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I would add a couple of things here:

1) you should have the right to get the yearly financial accounting summary for your HOA.
2) You should go item by item and see what work is being done. Example. Lawn care service. Go out and get comparable quotes from other vendors. If his price is higher than average for any of these expenses, then you should notify him that you will take him to court for fraud. Contact the Attorney Generals office and present them this info. They can take action against him. I'm not sure how this would work though if the prices for his "services" are less than or equal to the going rate.

Bill
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
BruceH8, I believe that William meant to reply to a different thread. But . . . maybe not?
WilliamB16 (Illinois)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Hi Carol,

No I meant it for this thread. The op stated "It's been a money making deal for him as he subcontract things such as landscaping, to his own company and charges more than double.". This is fraudulent.

Bill

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