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JeffB12 (Illinois)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Our current HOA board maintains that retention pond maintenance is the responsibility of those 6 homeowners that border the 3+ acre pond. Our neighborhood is less than 15 years old. The pond was built by the developer to hold the rain sewer run-off for the entire neighborhood. Unfortunately, the responsibility for pond maintenance was never assigned in the HOA by-laws or covenants. Those homes 'on' the pond have property on BOTH sides of the water. For that reason, current board believes we are personally responsible for the water portion as well. I don't have the knowledge or pocketbook to do what is needed/required to maintain our portion of the pond. The pond is becoming overrun with algae and silt. My position is that although it IS my property, it's the neighborhood's water that is on my property. Additionally, waiting for a flood event is more costly than instilling a maintenance plan. Anyone else have similar challenge/experience/feedback/suggestions!? We're in the SW burbs of Chicago - the city doesn't have any guidelines/laws on the subject either.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The guidelines for maintaining the ponds would be through the EPA. Since you have property on both sides of the pond, I would also suspect that the maintenance of the pond is your (and others who border the pond) responsibility.

We had a discussion on this in an earlier thread. In that thread, I had posted some links that may be helpful in general information. See:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/view/topic/forumid/1/postid/170143/Default.aspx

Personally, I agree that the maintenance of the pond should not be on your shoulders alone. However, you may need to involve a local attorney to see if there is some applicable statute (County, State or Federal) that can force the Association to at least contribute toward the ponds maintenance.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Jeff,

I was just thinking. Check the PLAT. If the Pond is considered an easement on your property, it may very well be the responsibility of those who the easement is for to maintain.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/10/2014 12:47 PM
Jeff,

I was just thinking. Check the PLAT. If the Pond is considered an easement on your property, it may very well be the responsibility of those who the easement is for to maintain.


A good place to start. It may be shown as a drainage easement on the plat.

Jeff,

You might also check with your local zoning department. Retention ponds/basins are a common requirement for subdivisions. Zoning regulations may specify that it is a joint responsibility of all homeowners or, because newer subdivisions are often required to have an association, they may actually state that it is the duty of the association to maintain the retention pond.

There is also a body of common law that holds that those who use an easement are jointly responsible for its maintenance. I cannot imagine that maintenance of a retention pond that collects rainwater for the entire subdivision would be the responsibility of only those whose properties abut it.

If all else fails, I would recommend seeking the assistance of an attorney familiar with real estate and zoning issues. His fees will be less than it will cost to dredge that pond.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
DITTO DITTO DITTO

You may NOT own the storm water retention facility.

Even if you do 'own' it, there may be an easement for it's maintenance in place.

Here come the BIG BIG BIG costs for the maintenance of the FEDERALLY REQUIRED storm water facilities (which require dredging every 20-30 years) !

Yep, REQUIRE as per FEDERAL LAW. (dredging being the ONLY way to replace lost capacity due to sediment) ~ which is AS PER DESIGN.

? How much of a 'lot premium' did the developer get from you ?

CAVEAT EMPTOR
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Jeff - Like the others have written, check the plat for your community. The plat for our community, in NC, shows the stormwater drainage ponds as common area. Therefore the Assn has to take care of the pond.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By NancyG3 on 03/11/2014 4:28 AM
Jeff - Like the others have written, check the plat for your community. The plat for our community, in NC, shows the stormwater drainage ponds as common area. Therefore the Assn has to take care of the pond.

This is sound advice. Quite often the first thing the developer had to do was layout storm water drains and a retention pond. In my 5 associations, the pond(s) were part of the common property thus the responsibility of the entire association.
JeffB12 (Illinois)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Wow - thanks everyone for the replies - very informative and helpful. I'll have to take a look at the Plat. We're the 2nd owner, but are pretty certain the developer didn't charge a lot premium.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
and, assuming you were represented by counsel at closing, with THEM

if you WERE 'rotated into place' at closing you may have some recourse

or not

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JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
My HOA has the retention on common area property. If you have issues after checking the Plat then also check with your local government Planning Department. When the subdivision was approved there should have been some type of site development plan that would have included the retention pond and they may be able to help answer some of your questions.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By JanetB2 on 03/11/2014 11:34 PM
My HOA has the retention on common area property. If you have issues after checking the Plat then also check with your local government Planning Department. When the subdivision was approved there should have been some type of site development plan that would have included the retention pond and they may be able to help answer some of your questions.

Jeff,

I do not know how widespread this practice is but in one county I lived in a condition for obtaining building permits required the owner or developer to enter into a contract to maintain certain aspects of the property, landscaping in particular. You might look to see if there is a similar contractual requirement for the pond. Your subdivision's developer may have executed that contract in his capacity as the president of the HOA, which would have been under declarant control at that time.

NancyH14 (Arizona)
Posts: 1
Posted:
We have retention ponds all over the development here in Phoenix. They are specifically managed and controlled by the HOA because they are located in "common areas." Also, the city has the responsibility for "perking" the pond outlets should they not drain within a 24-48 hour period after it rains. If the water stands stagnant for over that period of time without draining there is a risk of mosquitos and other diseases that will become airborne, especially since the wildlife, including birds, rabbits, etc. deposit their feces in this basin.

Secondly, I had a home in Marietta, Georgia which had a community drain system in our backyard which was about 1/2 acre (hidden by trees) which had a lien by the city as they were then able to service this system if the need arose (flooding, etc.). We could not build anything there which would hinder the relief efforts for this system, and the inlet into the area had to be maintained in a reasonable manner so they could gain access to it when need arose.

Just because you have bought a home/land does not always entitle you to free access and use. That is why it is important to read your closing papers which contain a description of the land and any pertinent liens maintained by the different entities, like the city and/or county, etc. You should have a copy of this in your closing documents.

Since you bought a home which has a retention pond located on or near it, it should be mentioned in your land description as well as any Public Report you were given before you put down a deposit, as these facts need to be given as a legality. The City you live in can tell you immediately what rights they have, if any, to access your property to maintain that pond. It many take alot of call transfers to get to the right person to assist you, but they are always ready to help solve the puzzle for you.

JimJ7 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
I keep reading the samething over and over that I shouldn't have to pay to fix the retention pond if it's not in our backyard. That's the responsibility of the property owner along side it not me. Let us not forget the reason of the retention pond as it was built for the good of the neighborhoods not just a few homeowners as it handles all the water runoff sifting off the contaminants from your yards and streets. So to say it only a few people problem is the same as saying they are responsible for the entire neighborhood as well. If you insist on them paying for all the repairs it's only fair that they be paid monthly for the use of the retention pond as well. Think of it as a it as the community clubhouse as everyone pays into it regardless of whether they use it or not. It's a not an option rather a requirement of the state.
JimJ7 (Florida)
Posts: 15
Posted:
I keep reading the samething over and over that I shouldn't have to pay to fix the retention pond if it's not in our backyard. That's the responsibility of the property owner along side it not me. Let us not forget the reason of the retention pond as it was built for the good of the neighborhoods not just a few homeowners as it handles all the water runoff sifting off the contaminants from your yards and streets. So to say it only a few people problem is the same as saying they are responsible for the entire neighborhood as well. If you insist on them paying for all the repairs it's only fair that they be compensated monthly for the use of the retention pond as well. Think of it as a it as the community clubhouse as everyone pays into it regardless of whether they use it or not. It's a not an option rather a requirement of the state.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
This is an old thread.

If you want to discuss your particular situation, please consider starting a new thread. Laws and other things may have changed, so it's best to get fresh info.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By NancyG3 on 03/11/2014 4:28 AM
Jeff - Like the others have written, check the plat for your community. The plat for our community, in NC, shows the stormwater drainage ponds as common area. Therefore the Assn has to take care of the pond.

Same here.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
The retention pond within our Association is the responsibility of the city to maintain.

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