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RuthN (Florida)
Posts: 41
Posted:
Reserve Budget information needed! I am looking for information as to how other HOAs develop their reserve budgets.

We are a 27 year old HOA with over 300 stand-alone homes. We continue to grow as, under our declarations the developer may and does add future properties (sub divisions) to our association. Original and current declarations state concerning reserves: "To provide a reasonable contingency fund for the ensuing year and to provide a reasonable reserve for anticipated major capital repairs, maintenance, replacement, and improvements to the common facilities."

We have a clubhouse, swimming pool and spa, tennis courts, gates, fences, roads, ponds, sidewalks,etc. We are a self managed 55 and over association operating by volunteers, no management company and no paid employees.

Past Boards adopted rules providing procedures for establishing reserve accounts and relevant assessments. Florida 720 provides minimal guidance concerning reserves and essentially, is mirrored in our association's rules and regulations.

We have never had a professionally prepared reserve study.

I would appreciate information as to how other associations prepare their reserve budgets. By a management company? Volunteer Association members? Professional Reserve preparer? Accountant? Is there ever a zero based budget approach used or are succeeding years built upon previous years' budgets?

Relevant information would be much appreciated.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Ruth

The more complex the association is (as in the amenities it has) the more it requires a professional reserve study. Based on your description I would say you will need professional help to prepare a Reserve Study. Basically the study will estimate the life of and the cost to maintain/repair it.

As an example. In our 113 standalone homes association, our association is obligated to replace roofs. If one assumes a roof lasts for 20 years and homes our size cost $3K to roof. That says in 20 years we will need #339K to replace roofs so we must put $339K/20 or $16,950.00 per year aside for when this happens. Now this will have to revisited/updated every few years as we know cost go up so in 20 years the $339K will not cover it.

One additional point. Operating (day to day) costs should not come out of reserves. Let us say you need to clean and repaint your pool every year at a cost of $2K. This is a operating cost and the money should come from the operating budget, not money set aside for future pool work.

Now let us say the life expectancy of a pool interior/liner is 10 years and will cost $8K to replace. This is something that should be set aside under reserves, so in 10 years you have the money available.

When something has to be dealt with and there are no reserves, typically each home will be assessed the amount needed. In my roofing case, $3K per home. Many folks (often elders) fight reserves as their attitude is well I will not be here then so let the new owner deal with it.

Hope this helps.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Ruth,

A reserve budget would be based on a reserve study.

You can do a study on your own or pay to have one done for you. The more complex the common amenities are (buildings, pools, etc.) is more of a reason to have one done professionally.

Here is a link to an earlier thread. titled Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101, that talks about Reserves and provides links on how to do a Reserve study on your own:

http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/103517/view/topic/Default.aspx
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Would you take out your own appendix? So unless you (or one of your volunteers) are an engineer with experience in evaluating the remaining useful life of structures and equipment and estimating replacement costs, why would you not hire such a professional to prepare your reserve study?

You have a substantial number and type of amenities. If you try to do your own reserve study on the cheap, and later have to impose a special assessment to cover replacement costs you mis-estimated, how will you defend your decision?

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Ruth

Being you are 300 homes, my suggestion and opinion would to have a professional perform the task. As you are in Florida, you can go to www.caionline.org and look for the CAI (Community Association Institute)and find the local charter for your area. Under business partner you can find a whole list of Reserve Specialists that you can contact that will help guide your association in the right direction.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By RuthN on 03/07/2014 12:39 PM

We continue to grow as, under our declarations the developer may and does add future properties (sub divisions) to our association.

Ruth,

The fact that you are still under declarant control may in fact mean that you have underfunded reserves.

This is because Developers typically keep assessments artificially low to entice buyers to purchase. If your developer is keeping assessments low, then it's likely that the Reserves are underfunded (if funded at all).

If this is the case, you may simply have to wait until the Association is turned over to the members to correct the issue and fully fund the Reserves.

In the meantime, you may want to start setting aside additional money into your personal savings in case a special assessment is needed to pay for repairs that the Reserves might not be able to fund.

Hope this helps,

Tim

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I'm with JohnC, David & Richard in your case, Ruth. Your HOA has a number of expensive and aging components. You need a professional reserves analyst to estimate their remaining life and replacement cost.

But, is your developer really still in control, i.e., on the board, makes decisions, etc.? Or does he just have the right to add homes to your HOA?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By TimB4 on 03/07/2014 3:33 PM
Posted By RuthN on 03/07/2014 12:39 PM

We continue to grow as, under our declarations the developer may and does add future properties (sub divisions) to our association.

The fact that you are still under declarant control may in fact mean that you have underfunded reserves.

Tim,

You may be jumping to an unwarranted conclusion. After 27 years it is unlikely that the developer still controls the association.

The CC&R's for my own association allows the developer to annex additional property into the association. The developer continues to do so even though he turned control of the association over to the owners 11 years ago.

One of the problems that might create in the OP's situation is that some capital assets may be significantly older than others. For example, streets in the oldest parts may be overdue for repaving while the newer sections are good for another decade. This may require multiple reserve studies as each unit that has been added will have its own timeline.

RuthN (Florida)
Posts: 41
Posted:
No, the developer is not in control of our association. We have six "phases" now that have been added over the years. The sixth just started building in 2013. Each phase has its own association with every owner in all phases being members of the "master" association. Yes, the developer (per our declarations) has the right to add "future property" to the association. He also has the right to appoint a member to the master board but has not chosen to do so for the last three years.

Recently a question has been raised by some members (not Board members) about the annual member prepared master association reserve budget being underfunded. The purpose in my posting is to get a feel for how other associations handle the matter and to gather some info to share during our next Board meeting. I do appreciate all postings that have been shared to date. I am "hearing" what I thought I would hear. I do like the "appendix" analogy!
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Ruth,

Have your HOA hire a professional company that crafts Reserve Fund studies. They will customize your report to your property and tell you how much you should be saving annually. That will be your only easy way to assess your situation where your board understands. Anything less will come up short.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By DavidW5 on 03/07/2014 3:01 PM

So unless you (or one of your volunteers) are an engineer with experience in evaluating the remaining useful life of structures and equipment and estimating replacement costs, why would you not hire such a professional to prepare your reserve study?

Actually, when we did our study (which was done ourselves, we called in experts when needed.

Fortunately, we don't have any major common amenities other than the roads.
Other than a contractor to check the foundation of the road, we were able to get life expentancies from many companies for free for the other amenities (playground equipment, entrance sign, etc.). Since our development was 30 years old before doing our first study, we were able to use historical data (when were repairs made, how often, cost, etc.) to help fill in the blanks.

I would have preferred to have paid for a professional study. However, the Board wasn't willing to spend that amount of money and having a self prepared study, that may or may not be as accurate as one prepared by a professional, is better than having no study at all. Even with our self prepared study, assessments needed to be raised 20% to fund fully fund the Reserves. This increase required membership approval and that required two attempts to finally receive.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By JohnC46 on 03/07/2014 1:24 PM
Many folks (often elders) fight reserves as their attitude is well I will not be here then so let the new owner deal with it.

The problem with that attitude is it is very short-sighted.

True, older people may not be around in another 5, 10, or 20 years. So, what happens to their homes? Most likely, they get passed on to their heirs. Here's the problem: Lenders often won't write mortgages for people buying homes in developments that don't have a proper reserve study and properly funded reserves. They don't want the risk of a borrower possibly being faced with a high special assessment later which could make it difficult for them to repay the loan. So, that can make it difficult for the older person to sell the home, or for their heirs to sell the home after the older person is gone.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By LarryB13 on 03/07/2014 3:56 PM
Tim,

You may be jumping to an unwarranted conclusion. After 27 years it is unlikely that the developer still controls the association.

LOL ... Larry that is not potentially true in FL. My parents were looking at purchasing homes in other states and I told them DO NOT PURCHASE IN FL IF THE DEVELOPER STILL HAS CONTROL. Of all the states my opinion Florida gives the developer controls way above and beyond and I am surprised many have not challenged on basis of consumer protection violations. Pretty much FL allows a developer to go out trolling for unsuspecting consumers reel them in then screw them over.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Janet,

Absolutely, positively the most important lesson I have learned from others on this forum is to never buy into a development that is not 100% sold and never buy into one where the declarant still controls the association. Too much can go wrong with an incomplete development and declarants cannot be trusted.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 03/07/2014 3:56 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 03/07/2014 3:33 PM
Posted By RuthN on 03/07/2014 12:39 PM

We continue to grow as, under our declarations the developer may and does add future properties (sub divisions) to our association.

The fact that you are still under declarant control may in fact mean that you have underfunded reserves.


Tim,

You may be jumping to an unwarranted conclusion. After 27 years it is unlikely that the developer still controls the association.

From what Ruth is posting, it sounds like each section has their own association with a master association overseeing the common amenities. Since the developer is still expanding with new sections, it's possible that her sub-Association is under membership control but the master Association is still under declarant control.

However, per Ruth's posting, it appears that Declarant is letting the members run the master Association as well.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
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Posted By LarryB13 on 03/08/2014 10:23 PM
Janet,

Absolutely, positively the most important lesson I have learned from others on this forum is to never buy into a development that is not 100% sold and never buy into one where the declarant still controls the association. Too much can go wrong with an incomplete development and declarants cannot be trusted.

I will second that one ... especially if someone does not know the state laws to insure their rights are protected!!!

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