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RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Our current board is pretty much only 6 months old. Prior to this board which I assembled, the only board member was the president himself. There was no vice president or any trustees other than this one guy. Our community is fairly complacent and no one cared, probably because no one understood the situation. In looking back at our 2013 and 2013 loss reports, it turns out that the association has written out several checks to the presidents small business. He says it was for various maintenance like fences, tree trimming, etc. My question is this: Being that he was the only trustee on the board, was it legal for him to hire his own company to perform various services?
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I'm not involved in the legal professions, but so far as I know his actions were not illegal. My sense is that you don't want to pursue this as, say, a lawsuit.

But most might agree that his comportment was unethical as there was a conflict of interest. This means that his interest in his own monetary gain might have conflicted with what was in the best interests of your HOA.

If there had been an actual board, he should have revealed his conflict of interest and recused himself from voting. If he didn't recuse himself, the Board could have demanded that he recuse himself and even could have asked him to leave the room while discussion of the services took place and while the vote took place.

So if he's still on the board and the situation arises again, do not permit him to vote if his own firm is involved. Also make certain someone on the board or your property mgr. brings bids from firms other than his.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By CarolR11 on 03/05/2014 4:32 PM
I'm not involved in the legal professions, but so far as I know his actions were not illegal. My sense is that you don't want to pursue this as, say, a lawsuit.

But most might agree that his comportment was unethical as there was a conflict of interest. This means that his interest in his own monetary gain might have conflicted with what was in the best interests of your HOA.

If there had been an actual board, he should have revealed his conflict of interest and recused himself from voting. If he didn't recuse himself, the Board could have demanded that he recuse himself and even could have asked him to leave the room while discussion of the services took place and while the vote took place.

So if he's still on the board and the situation arises again, do not permit him to vote if his own firm is involved. Also make certain someone on the board or your property mgr. brings bids from firms other than his.


Well said. I agree.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The bigger question is why is he the only Director on the Board?

Is nobody stepping forward to volunteer? Have you offered to serve?

Typically, although a conflict of interest, the Board may hire whom they think are the best contractor for the work. Although, I am not an attorney nor do I work in the legal profession, my understanding is that conflict of interest is typically not considered illegal providing that the conflict is disclosed to the Board. If that individual was the only person serving on the Board, they were aware of the conflict.

The best way to prevent conflict of interest is for the membership to become involved in the running of their Association. If the members are apathetic, then those who are willing to serve will be the one's making the decisions for everyone else.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
It looks like, Tim, that Ron has stepped up and even encouraged others to serve on the Board with him. But just one officer/director running the whole thing? that probably was opposed to their own documents and to Ohio corporate code (assuming they're incorporated).

Good point about the contract being legal so long as the "interested director" discloses his interest as an owner of the small firm. But, homeowners do become suspicious when a director seems to get contracts to work in the HOA. Unless the service offered is very scarce, the Board is better off seeking outside vendors.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Ron:
Your real problem is that you don't have a guorum on your board and all the actions the one person took could be considered illegal and could be challenged in court. You need to fix this.
Jeanne
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim raised an interesting point. Hypothetical case:

5 person BOD. 4 resign. Others asked to be on the BOD but an issue arises that has to be dealt with before anyone has agreed to be on the BOD. The lone BOD Member deals with it. The lone member decides that there is no conflict in hiring his sons company to deal with the issue.

Should he have done nothing? I say no. Is the potential for conflict there? Yes.

Let us hope the person acted honorably.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Not knowing the laws for HOA's in OHIO, but in California the action the President took would be considered illegal. If he hired his company for an emergency project, fine. Signing a contract for continued services, absolutely no. His only action would have been to appoint enough directors to gain quorum, which was adding two individuals.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
RonW7 … My question …

That is now in the past and if the services were performed for a fair fee charged, what difference would it make now? He was the only person who stepped forward to take care of business when everyone else did not give a hoot.

In the future I would recommend hiring only independent contractors who are not associated with the HOA. One main reason is because if they do not properly perform their job it is much easier to fire an independent contractor with no hard feelings vs. a neighbor’s company which can cause internal HOA conflict between members.
RonW7 (Ohio)
Posts: 122
Posted:
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Posted By CarolR11 on 03/05/2014 5:11 PM
It looks like, Tim, that Ron has stepped up and even encouraged others to serve on the Board with him. But just one officer/director running the whole thing? that probably was opposed to their own documents and to Ohio corporate code (assuming they're incorporated).

Good point about the contract being legal so long as the "interested director" discloses his interest as an owner of the small firm. But, homeowners do become suspicious when a director seems to get contracts to work in the HOA. Unless the service offered is very scarce, the Board is better off seeking outside vendors.

Yes, this is what happened. After that president left, I ran for president and assembled a legit board. Before that, though, one person was running the show and doing what he wanted. He could have charged the HOA any price he wanted. As far as how he ended up being the only one on the board, no one ran for any office (it's a very complacent community). When I ran, I had to basically pull teeth to fill the board seats.

Also, our by-laws require that at least three people be on the board at all times. This is indeed in the past, though, and I am only inquiring on it to satisfy curiosity.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Improper? YES

Illegal? NO

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Ron has handled this problem, but other HOAs may confront this. There at least two good reasons why directors or their relatives, etc. should not get HOA contracts.

1. It smacks of favoritism, cronyism and self-dealing, which can easily cause problems in an HOA. Owners get suspicious about where, exactly, their dues are going and if the price being paid is a competitive one. Or is the director just lining his/her own pockets?

2. It might be much more difficult, as Janet points out, to dismiss the director's firm because of potential hurt feelings, anger, etc.

Are there additional reasons?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Carol,

These are two excellent reasons why directors should not award contracts to themselves or their families.

The laws seem to vary quite a bit. In AZ, a director with a conflict-of-interest is required to state that he has a conflict -- then he may lawfully go ahead and vote to line his pockets with his association's funds.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
In CA, Larry, directors also are required to state what their "interest" is. In our Corporations Code, they are called "interested directors" in that they have a particular interest in the outcome of the board's decision.

As of 1/14, CA Civil Code may have been revised so that directors may not vote on or discuss certain agenda items in which they have a personal or monetary interest. But I need to check on that!! Specifically, it's CA Civil Code 5350, and lists some matters when the director must abstain: their own discipline; architectural matters re: their property; whether to accept a payment plan; decisions to foreclose on the director's property; grants for exclusive use of a common area. I need to learn if this code includes contracts as in the current discussion.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Carol

Directors can vote and discuss on matters in which they have an interest as long as it is disclosed.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I'm glad you replied, Richard. I don't think this new statute has been publicized very much. I think I understand it correctly (??) Corps. Code 7233 has stated all along that directors must disclose their interest, but may not vote on certain matters (if I read it right!!) 7234 (below) says that such directors may be counted towards quorum. Here's the text of the law, effective in Calif. on 1/1/14.

Civil Code §5350. Prohibited Actions by Directors & Committee Members.

(a) Notwithstanding any other law, and regardless of whether an association is incorporated or unincorporated, the provisions of Sections 7233 and 7234 of the Corporations Code shall apply to any contract or other transaction authorized, approved, or ratified by the board or a committee of the board. [Old: Civ. Code §1365.6]

(b) A director or member of a committee SHALL NOT vote on any of the following matters:

(1) Discipline of the director or committee member.

(2) An assessment against the director or committee member for damage to the common area or facilities.

(3) A request, by the director or committee member, for a payment plan for overdue assessments.

(4) A decision whether to foreclose on a lien on the separate interest of the director or committee member.

(5) Review of a proposed physical change to the separate interest of the director or committee member.

(6) A grant of exclusive use common area to the director or committee member.

(c) Nothing in this section limits any other provision of law or the governing documents that govern a decision in which a director may have an interest.

Read more: Civil Code §5350 http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/Statutes/CivilCode5350/tabid/3806/Default.aspx#ixzz2vb3htuV2
from Davis-Stirling.com by Adams Kessler PLC.
SG3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 63
Posted:
In our community, no one at all can make money working here per the docs.

The situation you describe is very precarious. There are many cases of HOA fund embezzlement & fraud. Some are setups just as you describe. Google the cases.

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