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NicoleO1 (California)
Posts: 181
Posted:

Our Board is rounding to elections in a month or so. Our current board is full no avaialable spaces and all intend on running again.

A past board member has made it known he is not happy with this current board. Truth be everyone is happy this board member isn't serving, homeowners and fellow board members alike. For years when he served people walked off the board while this person literally ran the HOA to thier own liking with docile friends being fellow board members. It's all changed, and we are all happy for it, including his "docile" friends.

Saying that the prior board member emailed the current board with his intentions of running for a position in the next month or so. The prior board member also put in a few jousts at the current board members including inability to manage finances, and stated they he "saved" all the emails from the prior members, including anonymous posts from HOA Talk.. that they we assume plan to use to their benefit.

Curious how ethical this is? Board information that considered confidential being threatend to be exposed in order to win votes in an election? I can't imagine an adult man doing this, but we assume by his emails that this is what is on "his" agenda...
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Your owners will decide how ethical his conduct is when they cast their ballots. If most are happy without this guy on the board, make sure everyone casts a ballot. If this former board members has any followers they will almost definitely be voting so you need to be sure that no one is so complacent that they fail to vote against him.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,060
Posted:
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Posted By NicoleO1 on 02/24/2014 12:25 PM

Curious how ethical this is?

As we know, what is sometimes considered unethical is not always considered illegal.

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Posted By NicoleO1 on 02/24/2014 12:25 PM

. . . stated that he "saved" all the emails from the prior members . . . Board information that considered confidential being threatened to be exposed in order to win votes in an election?

Gives another reason for not conducting Board business via e-mail.

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Posted By NicoleO1 on 02/24/2014 12:25 PM

I can't imagine an adult man doing this, but we assume by his emails that this is what is on "his" agenda...

Well, worst case scenario is that he gets elected to the Board. However, what officer position (if any) will be decided by the remaining board members. Each Director only has one vote. Therefore, a single Director can not advance any agenda without assistance from others.

The individual may be a pain to work with and there may certainly be good reasons to not have them on the Board. However, the reality is if the individual is elected to the Board, the rest of the Board can minimize the potential damage.

Perhaps its time to get information together so the facts can speak for themselves at the meeting.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
As I hope you've learned, Nicole, HOA board elections in CA involve a lot of state laws including mailing double-envelope ballots for homeowners to vote absentee or in person. When you write that an election will be in a "month or so" I can't help thinking that Election Rules are being followed. In fact, if your board hasn't created some Election Rules, you need to do it right away! Go to Davis-stirling.com for more. I think you've written previously that you now have a PM. If so, s/he should all about board elections.

Meantime, as noted by Larry & Tim, there's nothing you can do to prevent him from being a candidate UNLESS there's something (probably) in your bylaws that disqualifies him

Email exchanges between him & others are not "confidential" Board materials.

You & the current board may wish to send a short, clear positive latter to each owner about what your new board has accomplished is a short time (I think?) You may not use HOA founds to do so. Let him hang himself with his toxic approach.

I don't know if the ex director is threatening to reveal executive session materials or not, but if so, see attorney's opinion & advice below:

QUESTION: What is the amount of time for executive sessions to remain confidential?

ANSWER: For most executive session matters, confidentiality should extend indefinitely. This includes personnel matters, an owner's delinquency payment plan, the identity of persons involved in disciplinary actions, and attorney-client privileged communications. Releasing confidential information could result in claims for defamation, invasion of privacy, violations of statute, etc. The Legislature made such matters confidential for a reason, so boards should be cautious about releasing executive session information.

Who Can Waive Confidentiality? The authority to release information is held by the board as a whole, not by individual directors. Once the information is released, it cannot be taken back. Accordingly, directors who release information without board approval may be in violation of their fiduciary duties and may be personally liable for any damage that results.

Read more: Confidential Information http://www.davis-stirling.com/tabid/2403/Default.aspx#ixzz2uH8CeCya
from Davis-Stirling.com by Adams Kessler PLC.
NicoleO1 (California)
Posts: 181
Posted:
I hear what you are saying actually our date of our elections are a few months out. ( later spring ) and I am not sure what this person has as far as emails.

The current board is unanimous on this when it comes to running as an entire package deal. We all get along, and do not wish this person to return to being a board member.

I appreciate your input and love the idea of a group letter to homeowners indicating we endorse each other. It sends a strong message of unity and that we wish to have a change vs. a dictatorship of yesteryear.
FrankS10 (Kansas)
Posts: 276
Posted:
Nicole:

You state: " For years when he served people walked off the board while this person literally ran the HOA to their own liking with docile friends being fellow board members."

I have experienced that type of Board. Utterly a pain for everyone!

But, I am usually wary when Board members say they all get along. I am of the mindset that is not the goal. Issues will certainly in the normal course of events come before a Board that will invite discussion, and hopefully dissent at times. When every member of a Board agrees with every issue before them, I wonder if group think is dominating them.

So, while getting along are the issues being given a fair and necessary going over? If so, then good. If not, maybe this person can bring something helpful to your HOA while as others point out their actions be limited by voting.
NicoleO1 (California)
Posts: 181
Posted:
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Posted By FrankS10 on 02/25/2014 1:03 AM
Nicole:

You state: " For years when he served people walked off the board while this person literally ran the HOA to their own liking with docile friends being fellow board members."

I have experienced that type of Board. Utterly a pain for everyone!

But, I am usually wary when Board members say they all get along. I am of the mindset that is not the goal. Issues will certainly in the normal course of events come before a Board that will invite discussion, and hopefully dissent at times. When every member of a Board agrees with every issue before them, I wonder if group think is dominating them.

So, while getting along are the issues being given a fair and necessary going over? If so, then good. If not, maybe this person can bring something helpful to your HOA while as others point out their actions be limited by voting.

While I see your point this is not our situation at all. Our board does get along but believe me we have had very lively discussions and then at the end of our meetings just let it go and move on to business. The individual who we do not want to return has indeed ran the HOA when she was in office to his benefit. ( Example... a voted on painting project was suppose to be a yellow beige as agreed on by a committee, only to find the painters painting a dark brown... as this person over rode the decision and directed vendors to paint a color he approved of, no board action and no board challenged this. it is factual and our baord to this day years later often refer to it when this person is discussed... they also made similar decisions regarding paint, decor and some other basic decisios while his passive friends were serving along side him.

The board as a whole does NOT endorse this person for many issues... not just one persons.. the entire HOA board has some sort of complaint. We were just concerned about the ability to spew bad emails, and interaction on HOA TALK to the general membership.

I think people can see him for what he is, and anyone who wishes to expose laundry should be prepared for a negative impression.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Unless you and the rest of the Board were conspiring to violate the law or go out of the way to "punish" a homeowner you didn't like, how bad could the emails be? Never write anything down that you are not willing to stand behind and own.

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