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JimC10 (Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Our deed reads as "The Treasurer of the Association shall be bonded with the expense of such a fidelity bond for said officer to be borne by the Association"

Discussed with our insurance agent and we have a policy for "Employee Dishonesty" which he mentioned does the same thing as the bond.

Would we be voliating things if we just utilized the insurance policy? Is it up to the community to deicde?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By JimC10 on 02/20/2014 9:26 AM
Our deed reads as "The Treasurer of the Association shall be bonded with the expense of such a fidelity bond for said officer to be borne by the Association"

Discussed with our insurance agent and we have a policy for "Employee Dishonesty" which he mentioned does the same thing as the bond.

Would we be voliating things if we just utilized the insurance policy? Is it up to the community to deicde?

Jim, I agree with your insurance agent. The term fidelity bond is loosely used for what is really meant, i.e., fidelity insurance. A bond is seldom if ever used by HOAs to insure against theft.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
JimC,

Are you in a Home Owner Association of stand alone houses, or a Condominium Association?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By JimC10 on 02/20/2014 9:26 AM

Discussed with our insurance agent and we have a policy for "Employee Dishonesty" which he mentioned does the same thing as the bond.

Jim,

This is what we have. It complies with the requirement.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Jim,

Perhaps this may help reassure you that crime insurance will serve as a fidelity bond:

From the Fairfax County Community Association Manual see chapter 6:

An association is adequately protected against theft or embezzlement of funds only if the fidelity policy is correctly written to specifically include every person
having access to association funds. There is no standard language that covers all situations; therefore, an association must ensure that all positions in the organization having access to association funds are specifically named or otherwise identified

From the sba.gov website

Common bond-types are: Fidelity bonds that provide insurance against loss from employee misconduct, such as theft or embezzlement, which is not otherwise covered by a company's regular insurance coverage. A bond can provide blanket coverage for the actions of all employees or can be tailored to cover one or more specific employees (as is the case with a pension fidelity bond discussed below).

From business dictionary.com

fidelity bond: Type of insurance bought by an employer to protect against losses (such as embezzlement or theft by employees) that are not generally covered under normal theft or burglary policies. It may either be a blanket bond (applying to all employees) or for each employee on an individual basis. The insurance company may set certain guidelines to be followed in the insured firm's hiring practices, and the protection continues only so long as the duties of the covered employees remain the same (unless arranged otherwise).

From davis-stirling.com

Employee dishonesty insurance is also referred to a fidelity bond, crime coverage, employee dishonesty bond and crime fidelity insurance. This coverage protects against losses resulting from dishonest acts by an association's officers, directors and employees.

From an insurance companies site

What is the difference between Crime Insurance/Fidelity Bond?

Fidelity Bonds typically only cover losses from employee dishonesty such as money and securities. Crime Insurance provides a broader form of coverage which will extend to the following classes:
• Computer fraud and theft
• Employee dishonesty and theft
• Forgery or alteration
• Robbery
• Safe burglary
• Theft, disappearance and destruction of property

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
"most' commercial insurance policies include $50,000 or $100,000 endorsements

this MAY NOT be adequate to cover the available funds

ergo:

a separate bond (for which not everyone may qualify due to criminal history) may be required

a tricky situation at best - READ and REREAD your documents for degree of coverage required

'prudence' would dictate FULL coverage for ALL $$$$$$$
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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John,

VA law, specifically § 55-514.2, specifies the minimum amount of a fidelity bond.

B. Any association collecting assessments for common expenses shall obtain and maintain a blanket fidelity bond or employee dishonesty insurance policy insuring the association against losses resulting from theft or dishonesty committed by the officers, directors, or persons employed by the association, or committed by any managing agent or employees of the managing agent. Such bond or insurance policy shall provide coverage in an amount equal to the lesser of $1 million or the amount of the reserve balances of the association plus one-fourth of the aggregate annual assessment income of such association. The minimum coverage amount shall be $10,000. The board of directors or managing agent may obtain such bond or insurance on behalf of the association.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
that is a good thing

however

as per my (larges 'big red' insurer) agent:

employee dishonesty is 'built in' for 50 or 100 K to the 'standard' CID policy

fidelity bonding of any specified amount IS available but NOT as a blanket policy (due to the possibility of previous criminal activity of a 'blanket covered' person)

each person to be 'bonded' must be separately 'papered' by the ins. co.

$500,000 for 1-4 officers is $550 per year (total regardless of whether 1 or 4 covered)

check into it further as many BODs are not actually in compliance thinking the basic policy covers all
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
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Just thought I'd weigh in with the latest requirement in FL.....while it was in effect for Condos in the past, just last year the following requirement was passed for HOAs.
720.3033 (5)
(5) The association shall maintain insurance or a fidelity bond for all persons who control or disburse funds of the association. The insurance policy or fidelity bond must cover the maximum funds that will be in the custody of the association or its management agent at any one time. As used in this subsection, the term “persons who control or disburse funds of the association” includes, but is not limited to, persons authorized to sign checks on behalf of the association, and the president, secretary, and treasurer of the association. The association shall bear the cost of any insurance or bond. If annually approved by a majority of the voting interests present at a properly called meeting of the association, an association may waive the requirement of obtaining an insurance policy or fidelity bond for all persons who control or disburse funds of the association.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
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Posted By TimB4 on 02/20/2014 1:50 PM
John,

VA law, specifically § 55-514.2, specifies the minimum amount of a fidelity bond.

B. Any association collecting assessments for common expenses shall obtain and maintain a blanket fidelity bond or employee dishonesty insurance policy insuring the association against losses resulting from theft or dishonesty committed by the officers, directors, or persons employed by the association, or committed by any managing agent or employees of the managing agent. Such bond or insurance policy shall provide coverage in an amount equal to the lesser of $1 million or the amount of the reserve balances of the association plus one-fourth of the aggregate annual assessment income of such association. The minimum coverage amount shall be $10,000. The board of directors or managing agent may obtain such bond or insurance on behalf of the association.

Tim,

We are aware of the requirement in the Va. POAA. Our CCR's specifically state that we are to have fidelity bond coverage for the full amount of our reserves (which are currently over $3M). When we were under developer control the insurance coverage was set in accordance with the CCR's. We want to reduce coverage to the VA mandated maximum of $1M. We believe this is sufficient due to our strong internal controls and the fact that our reserves are spread across 18 financial institutions to stay within the FDIC insurance limit. However we are getting conflicting/inconclusive advice from the association attorney and the insurance broker. From a purely legal perspective, the VA law trumps the CCR's. But I am struggling with how to explain to the other members of the board and the community why I am recommending lesser coverage than the CCR's call for.

Any suggestions appreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
David,

Although the law is a higher controlling document, I don't see how your CC&Rs would be in conflict with the CC&Rs unless (or until) the amount of reserves becomes less than 1 million.

The Law says that the Association shall have $x amount. The CC&Rs specify that the Association shall have $y amount. As long as Y is greater than X there is no conflict to resolve and the Association is in compliance with both documents. However, once Y is less than X, there is a conflict and you will need to comply with the amount established by VA law (I know you know this, I'm just trying to explain it for others who might not).

That said, I understand your desire and the only suggestion I can offer is to work out the savings per home by have an insurance coverage to match VA law as I suspect the only way to get the CC&Rs amended is to show an actual financial savings per home that would motivate the membership to vote.

JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
If you are able to read the Directors and Officers liability documents, it will spell out if it covers against "crimes committed by employees". We do not meet the State requirements for having to have Fidelity Ins. however our CCR requires it, and as other's stated, only on the people who have access to the money.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
'food for thought'

employee dishonesty covers EMPLOYEES (DOH)

? does it cover volunteers (directors) ?

I would BOTH ask my agent AND read the actual policy carefully
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Our policy covers all volunteers and employees (if we had any). A new policy our agent is offering would even cover our independent contractors.
JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Yes, it is easy enough to call the agent and ask a question, however you will do yourself a big favor by reading the declaration of the policy. They are not that complicated to understand, and then you call the agent for any clarification etc. I will also suggest that if you are on the board, having your Rep come explain it all at a board meeting.

Just as a FYI since we are in different states: Our policy is written in my shorter sentences: Under the D&O Liability, under Exclusions, coverage does not apply to A. Criminal Acts. Since stealing money is a crime, it would not cover the loss of money. They also spell out quite simply just who the "insured" is since there are many people involved in the HOA. Under that same section it excludes wrongful acts regarding supervision of contractors.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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Under that same section it excludes wrongful acts regarding supervision of contractors.


most D&O insurance has the same or even stricter exclusion(s)

many state corporate laws prevent coverage for 'wrongful acts'

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