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SusanM23 (South Carolina)
Posts: 18
Posted:
I am HOA president for a 12 year old community of 100 homes. Our mailboxes are looking quite shabby, could use a new coat of paint and new numbers applied. All boxes need to be uniformed. Our CAM says it's up to the homeowners to keep up their boxes but I'm afraid if we leave it up to them we will lose continuity and it will be difficult to enforce. Has anyone else faced this task and how did you handle it? Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Afraid or not, you must not overstep the authority authorized to the Board by the Governing Documents.

If the mailboxes are not considered common elements, then the CAM is correct that it would be the responsibility of the member to maintain. However, the Association may adopt guidelines as to the type of material, size, and style of the mailbox and letters.

Our Association has rural style mail boxes in housings holding 4 to 5 boxes. The Association maintains the housing and the member maintains the mailbox. We also include an inspection of the mailbox in our annual inspection of the property.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
It gets down to this:

Behind door number one is a painter with the necessary equipment, skills, and -- above all else -- plenty of paint in one color. His price for painting 100 mailboxes ought to be about $500 - $1000. He should be able to finish in a couple of days.

Behind door number two is 100 homeowners with varying levels of skill and equipment armed with 100 cans of various kinds of paint (latex, oil-based, spray) in an endless variety of colors and textures. There will be no charge to the association (except for the lawsuits that will arise because Old Lady Wilson almost ran into Old Man Smith while he had his butt hanging out in the street). The work will be completed on each owner's schedule so completion will be anytime between now and the day that hell freezes over but certainly feel free to haggle with each and every last one of them about when that will occur.

So, which door will it be?

My thought: If the association wants a particular result, regardless of whether the boxes belong to the homeowners, the association should take control so that the work gets done in a timely and uniform manner. I would choose door number one.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By LarryB13 on 02/17/2014 10:05 PM

My thought: If the association wants a particular result, regardless of whether the boxes belong to the homeowners, the association should take control so that the work gets done in a timely and uniform manner. I would choose door number one.

Larry I understand what you are saying and even agree with it. If it isn't a common element, you will need to get membership approval first.

Personally, I went through something like this. Our Association hired a contractor to rebuild the mailbox housings and the Association decided to replace the mailboxes at their expense. The Contractor, at the direction of the Association, took away my newly mounted metal mailbox (less than a week old) and replaced it with a smaller plastic mailbox which failed in less than a year (cracked due to the cold weather).

Additionally, since the Association replaced the mailboxes, now many members believe that the Association accepted responsibility to maintain those boxes (even though the governing documents state otherwise). A case of good intentions having unintended consequences.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

Regardless of who owns the mailboxes, if the association wants them to look uniform then the association should take on the job. Me, I got more important things to worry about than the paint on my neighbors' mailboxes and I guess that is why I do not actually live in an HOA.
CeceliaV (North Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Our documents do not address who is responsible for the stand alone mailboxes, only a vague indication that owners are responsible for keeping their homes in good condition.

The mailboxes were making the neighborhood look awful. We have a lot of elderly owners who could not do the painting.

We decided to paint the mailboxes, the numbers, the gas lamp pole and the garage lights. We had the funds and it was not horribly expensive. We asked residents to inform us if they did not want the painting ---everybody wanted it and they all were extremely happy with the results.

Must say it has made a huge improvement.
SusanM23 (South Carolina)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Thank you, Cecelia, for the encouragement. Our documents read similar to yours.

Sometimes it is those little things that help bring pride to a neighborhood. We're having our front metal signage repainted because they'd been shot at and were faded by the sun. They'll be remounting them any day now.
SusanM23 (South Carolina)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Tim, I understand your frustration. That's disappointing. Good luck.
SusanM23 (South Carolina)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Thanks, Larry. Our concern is (and expectation) is Door #2 so I'm proposing Door #1.

We're trying to help those who are selling homes by making some improvements; we're also hoping to encourage pride in ownership. Feedback homeowners' have gotten from people looking to buy say they like the houses but not the neighborhood.

Presently our front signage is being sanded and repainted. It had been shot at and was faded by the sun. We hope this will help bring the community back to what it once was--a nice place to raise your kids.
AnnH6 (Florida)
Posts: 27
Posted:
We recently had a similar situation where the Board wanted to assume responsibility over something that was the responsibility of each homeowner on their property. The legal opinion is that once a homeowner signs over responsibility to the Association for something that is supposed to be the homeowner's responsibility, then the Association accepts all responsibility and liability in the future for whatever was signed over to the Association. Say you hire a contractor to paint all of the mailboxes tomorrow and in 3 years, the paint is peeling and fading because the contractor used the wrong paint or some bad paint. It would be harder to shift the responsibility back on the homeowners.

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