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KevinT1 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We are a small (12 unit)loosely governed, unincorporated, self-managed townhouse HOA. We have a relatively new homeowner who refuses to pay his assessments for various reasons. He does not recognize our HOA and is unhappy with the services provided. Can his account, now 6 months past due, be sent to a collection agency or attorney's office? Can a notice of Lien be placed on his property? What recourse do we have? I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you. Kevin
KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
Posted:
"He does not recognize our HOA and is unhappy with the services provided"

Provided townhouse purchases are essentially the same as single family homes, at some point in the process of purchasing the home (usually the Title Company) someone recognizes that the home exists within a "owners' association". In fact, before the home can be sold, a TREC 37-2 form must be completed.

Therefore his claim "he doesn't recognize", is laughable and carries no weight, because he would have signed a form stating he does understand and that he is obligated to it.

As for being "unhappy with the services provided", sorry pal, the HOA is not there to provide a service. It's a requirement that those who are automatic members through purchasing a home that belongs to an "owners association" must bear. Like it or not.

Bottom line, if he fails to pay his dues, he is deliquent in his responsibilities and there are many actions that can be taken. Missing a payment happens, be polite and remind them. If they fail to pay after the reminder and miss another payment, you can decide how you want to pursue it:
1) Send more reminders until a set number. I suggest making a few of those certified mail and charging any cost incurred to the homeowner.
2) Send the account to a collection agency or attorney. In general, attorney's letters seem to work better, though compare results between attorneys. They will cost more, but that should also be charged to the homeowner.
3) As the attorney will likely recommend if the homeowner fails to comply - place a lien on their property.

You should have bylaws and CC&Rs that spell out your options, to include interest on amounts owed etc.
Be empowered, not matter how small of an HOA you have.

Take care,
Kevin H.

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BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
What state? Many states have thier own conditions on these things.
KevinT1 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We are in cook county, Illinois.
KevinT1 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks for the info, KevinH. Is there any way to confirm that the homeowner signed an agreement at closing such as the TREC 37-2?
KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
Posted:
TREC 37-2 is used in Texas and is completed by the PM or whoever is managing the HOA to confirm from their end, that the account is in good standing, etc. The seller pays to have this document completed. This helps the process move forward where the title company will verify if any additional liens exist on the property.

The form you seek, signed by the buyer, is part of the forms completed at the title company. Off-hand I am unsure which form that is for Texas, let alone Illinois. You may want to check with a title company to get the name of the form(s) buyers sign to acknowledge that their new home is part of an owner's association.

Each state will likely have a different form.

If you cannot see the forest for the trees, back up and get a better view. Don't start to clear a path while still blind.
RickR1 (California)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Good luck Kevin. I don't have anything to add to the discussion but I was born in Cook County, Il.

rick
KevinT1 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We have decided to hire an attorney and attempt to place a lien on the unit. Thanks for your input.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You can go to the courthouse and get the convenants and restrictions of your HOA if they are filed and you are a true HOA. That document will allow your members to file a lien against the non-paying member. You may want to give the non-paying member a copy of all the documentation just in case they don't have it.
Keep in mind that hiring the lawyer has to come out of the entire HOA's budget. That means ALL the members are paying for this. You may not need to hire a lawyer to place the lien. However, most courthouse I've dealt with don't like dealing with individuals and aren't that helpful. Plus they can't give out legal advice.
It cost about $300 to place a lien in my state of Alabama. I heard in California it is free. So you may not have to pay much and not need the attorney.
Please try to avoid suing the owner. That will make it worse. A lien makes it so the owner can NOT sale and move. A lawsuit judgement does allow the member to sale their property and move without paying. Placing the lien means they can't go nowhere until the money is paid.

Former HOA President
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Kevin:

My advice if you guys have never encountered or had to deal with this before is to consult an attorney's advice on what is the best way to proceed in your county in your state. AS someone mentioned every state is different. We did that recently as we have several members who don't like to pay, the advice we got was to file a lien against the property which costs us $8 and is something we can do ourselves. I have heard of some associations using collection agents and some using attorneys to try and collect. I think your board needs to adopt a policy that will be used in all cases and proceed with that.

This person can not recognize the HOA all they want, but they bought and therefore belong. Before you do anything I would suggest giving them a last chance letter outlining the procedures you are going to take. They may call off their bluff and pay.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Kevin T:

Just a thought; I don't know Illinois law (I'm in Oregon)...but check with the attorney on whether you need to incorporate, or if there are advantages if you do. It might be worth it to do so, even if it isn't needed in this situation.

Best of luck!

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
Kevin, Search this forum for: Illinois lien

One really good discussion with sample forms is here:
http://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/view/topic/forumid/1/postid/2944/Default.aspx

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BarbaraS (New Mexico)
Posts: 49
Posted:
Our small associations has placed liens on property for deliquent maintenance payments. So far we have not needed to make larger assessments, but feel the time may come soon. Can a time limit be placed on payment - if the owner never sells, does the association have to absorb the cost until the owner is deceased?
KevinT1 (Illinois)
Posts: 6
Posted:
That is a very good question. I would suggest sending the account to a collection agency for a fair price.
JamesC (Maryland)
Posts: 282
Posted:
Kevin:

You ask if there is any way to confirm that the homeowner signed an agreement at closing such as the TREC 37-27.
If you bought and live in this same community have you checked your own documents received at your own settlement?
Just wondering.
Good luck

Jim
BarbaraS (New Mexico)
Posts: 49
Posted:
Thanks for your reply Kevin. We bought from the developer and so were aware of the existence of the HoA and Covenants. I called the local title company - there is no "form" in NM for a buyer to sign - however, according to the title company rep - there is a notice filed with the property at the court house - also there is a requirement as part of the disclosure law, that real estate agents make this disclosure. I'm not too sure how this applies to owner/sellers as we have one or two new owners (bought directly from the seller)who did not receive a copy of the covenants although they must have been aware of the existence of the HOA. Already these two have broken the covenants regarding pets. IT's a dilemma.
KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
Posted:
This is why we request that our Mgmt Company help keep a close watch on homeowner changes and getting a "HOA welcome package" to any new homeowners as early as possible, which always includes copies of the Bylaws and CC&Rs.

Our MC is also a realtor. From what I understand as such, they have access to view records that show recent home sales in the area. However I am told that it is possible to sell a home in a non-traditional way that may not appear in these records. Then it simply becomes an issue of missed payments and finding out why the payments stop.

Perhaps periodic non-account specific notices sent out by the HOA to each address with their name and the phrase: "or Current Homeowner" displayed may help to keep new homeowners aware of the presence of the HOA.

Neighbors' input helps too.

If you cannot see the forest for the trees, back up and get a better view. Don't start to clear a path while still blind.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraS on 04/12/2007 1:30 PM
Our small associations has placed liens on property for deliquent maintenance payments. So far we have not needed to make larger assessments, but feel the time may come soon. Can a time limit be placed on payment - if the owner never sells, does the association have to absorb the cost until the owner is deceased?

This is the procedure we use:
For the 1st 3months the account is delinquent we add a $35.00 late fee each month. After 3months the account is turned over to our collection attorney to file a lien. This attorney specializes in collections and ALL the fees and costs are added to the delinquent account and are what pays his fees. After six months if the account is not brought current or arrangements made, we start foreclosure procedures.

If it gets to the foreclosure stage the HOA usually ends up paying the attorney fees but is worth it to get the deadbeats out and someone who will (hopefully) pay their assessments.

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