Patricia,
It's best to start a new thread than reactivate an old one.
As for your post, I'd like to make the following comments:
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
One of the BODs is NOT a legal HO as is required in my HOA ByLaws. How did I find out? I went to the Assessors website, plugged in his name and NOTHING came up. So then I plugged in his address, and his wife's name came up. I went to the Co Recorder's office, thinking something must be amiss ... what I found was HE was not on the deed, the home is owned by his wife's trust. He is NOT a trustee or a beneficiary.
Most Associations expect that spouses are both on the deed. Unless there is reason to check, checks typically aren't done. Yes, they should be but the reality is, people only have, or are willing to donate, so much time to volunteer positions. Without assistance from others, things are missed or simply aren't followed.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
When I presented this to the Board,
My question would be, how did you present it?
Was it along the lines of, "you may not be aware of this but . . .
and to help prevent it from happening in the future, I'm willing to volunteer to serve as inspector of elections or on the nominations committee OR
Was it along the lines of "you may not be aware of this but . . .
and it needs to be fixed.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
they decided to skirt around the issue ... he is no longer a Director, but is a VP and holds a significant position.
Perhaps the individual was taking their share, or more, of the Boards work load and the Board simply didn't want to lose that asset. If, when you brought the issue before the Board, you or anyone else didn't volunteer to fill the position and take on the duties, then why should the volunteers simply dismiss an asset and take on more work.
As an example, as Treasurer for my Association, I spend approximately 20 hours per month on Association business. That equates to a full month of my life per year. I do this without pay and am happy to do it but become frustrated when the same individuals are always late with their payments, causing me more work. Do you think that they care? I don't. Therefore, if, for some reason I was considered no longer eligible to serve, I suspect that someone would find a similar solution to keep me on. Mainly because no one would want to commit the time and it would cost at least $5,000 per year to hire someone to do just part of the job. More, if the whole thing were to be contracted out.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
And, yes, that's all legal.
Yep, that is right, it would be legal. What needs to be understood is that Directors and Officers are two separate positions. Often the same individual may fill both the Directors position and the Officers position at the same time. When that happens, it's the same as having two jobs. Many members, and Directors, don't always realize this.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
Women generally have very good reasons when they don't have their husband on a deed. So I feel for you. I've learned the hard way, to look at the financials as close as I can, and to read the Board minutes which are written to put an enlightened spin on the BODs, not the HO. I hope your community is large and that loss is easily absorbed. My HOA is very small, and that could pose a significant hardship on some HOs.
To answer your question, YES I am very concerned about who is elected to the Board. IMHO, my Board President is a despot. He and the head of No Korea are interchangeable ... no one would notice, except my Board President is taller ... he might be able to play basketball with Denis Rodman. Heck, he and Rodman might be able to share the same wedding dress.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
Women generally have very good reasons when they don't have their husband on a deed.
Actually, when I was soliciting signatures to add similar qualifications to serve as Director in my Association, I learned that most don't place them on the deed because it's a second marriage and this keeps the kids happy. Other reasons I was informed about were financial reasons (or ways to minimize taxes). In fact, I know of many older couples who simply live together (vs. getting married) as it's financially better for their circumstances to do this.
What reasons were you eluding to?
Oh, upon learning this, I chose to not go forward to have those restrictions become adopted.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
I've learned the hard way, to look at the financials as close as I can
I would have thought your previous job, that of working in a mortgage office, would have instilled that upon you vs. learning "the hard way."
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
and to read the Board minutes which are written to put an enlightened spin on the BODs, not the HO.
Depends who writes them.
The minutes are the official record of the Association and should simply state the facts and decisions. Often, when a Secretary or Board record more than that in the minutes, it tends to work against the Association.
This is from the
The Fairfax County (VA) Community Association Manual on minutes:
Too often, meeting minutes become lengthy with the intent of being thorough and correct. The purpose of a meeting is to conduct the business of the association; and the minutes should record what was done or decided, and not what was said or by whom. The minutes should never reflect upon the character, emotion, or personality of any person, or give the secretaryâs opinion, favorable or otherwise, on anything said or done in the meeting. For important motions, however, the name of the mover should be recorded along with the exact final wording, including amendments, upon which the subsequent vote is taken. The recording secretary should be familiar with âMinutes and Reports of Officersâ of Robertâs Rules of Order Newly Revised, 10th Rev. edition (November 14, 2000). Meeting minutes, including motions, amendments and votes should be signed and dated by the president or secretary once they have been approved, and should be kept in a binder, file or âbook of minutesâ for later reference. It may also be helpful to file copies of meeting notices, financial statements, committee reports, and other documents along with the minutes, making them part of the associationâs official records. Complete minutes can be valuable to an association should it need to document or defend its actions.
Perhaps you could volunteer your time to serve as Secretary. This way, you can be sure the minutes are written properly and not skewed toward anyone or anything but the facts.
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Posted By PatriciaC6 on 04/27/2014 6:41 PM
To answer your question, YES I am very concerned about who is elected to the Board. IMHO, my Board President is a despot.
Patricia, again, you need to shift your focus to the entire Board. The President was just the messenger. They may or may not have been the deciding factor in your issue but issues are decided by majority vote. This means that others had to agree with the President (if the President was the cause) in order for anything to occur.
Focusing on one individual vs. the entire Board can be detrimental in your cause to correct the problems you see as your actions can be seen as a personality conflict vs. actual issues.
Again, it's best to start a new topic than to reactivate an old one.