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WayneR1 (Virginia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I recently lost a case in small claims court when I brought suit against a POA in Virginia.

The POA set the yearly dues, but, they also made a rule that if a member used their property more than a certain number of days a year that member would have to pay an additional fee.

The POA had an attorney and I did not. The Club's attorney told the judge that the County had an ordinance stating that no person could remain overnight after 180 days. This Club has a campground, but the members own their lots. I argued that the ordinance applied to campgrounds but each member had a deed to their lots. Didn't get very far with that.

To make this short the judge ruled in favor of the Club. Following that ruling the attorney for the Club asked that I pay their legal expenses under Section 55-515. The judge said no as that section did not allow what was being asked. The Club's attorney said the Supreme Court had changed that and gave the judge a paper to support his claim. The judge ruled I would have to pay their expenses.

I was not happy with that ruling and I now have two options. Pay the expenses or find an attorney and appeal. I am open to any suggestions you may have and let me say thanks in advance.

Wayne
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
did they 'make a rule' or did they enforce a rule in the Covenants and Restrictions ?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Wayne,

Find an attorney immediately. Your options are all limited by the calendar at this point. Before appealing, your attorney should move for reconsideration. The reason for this is that it is likely that you failed to bring up one or more important points at trial. Appellate courts usually hold that you cannot raise an issue on appeal that you did not bring up in the trial court.

You wrote that the attorney for the club "gave the judge a paper to support his claim." Did he also provide you with a copy of this? (I suspect it was a printed copy of a Supreme Court opinion.) It may have been a violation of the discovery rules to withhold this from you until trial.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Wayne,

Sorry to hear about your issues. The Virginia Property Owners' Association Act (Title 55, Chapter 26) applies to "developments subject to a declaration [CC&Rs], as defined herein, initially recorded after January 1, 1959." Expecting that your property does have deed restrictions, then the act would apply.

You said that the Association adopted a rule, was that rule in the deed restrictions?

If it was, per § 55-515, you needed to comply with the terms of the Declaration. Additionally, per that same statute, the Association is authorized to be reimbursed legal expenses associated with collecting assessments.

Did you refuse to pay your Assessments while the issue was being resolved?

I do not know what court case was refferred to by the attorney in your issue. Can you identify the case?

WayneR1 (Virginia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
The Club can set rules for the common areas. Rule 21 did not pertain to the common area, but to property that I own. Here is the rule that I went into court to challenge:

21. Occupancy
Caroline County has amended the zoning ordinance for all campgrounds/camping areas and individual lots within those areas. Permanent occupancy of any camping lots shall not be permitted. The maximum number of overnight stays shall not exceed 180 days from January 1st thru December 31st. Caroline County will issue citations to include court appearances and fines. F____ W____s will impose up to a $8.00 per day assessment on members who don't follow Caroline County's ordinances. Questions or concerns can be addressed by Planning and Zoning @ (804) 633-4303.

Section 55-515 does not allow payment of legal costs, however, the Club's attorney said the Supreme Court had changed that and after reading the paper the judge allowed their costs. I did not see the paper and have no idea what the attorney was referring to.

Wayne
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
Caroline County has amended the zoning ordinance for all campgrounds/camping areas and individual lots within those areas. Permanent occupancy of any camping lots shall not be permitted. The maximum number of overnight stays shall not exceed 180 days from January 1st thru December 31st. .......


Caroline County is a county of the state of Virginia.
The occupancy restriction is a county zoning issue.

OP: get a transcript of the (court) proceeding in question

depending on the $$ of the legal fees you may or may not pursue the issue
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
OK, from what I understand you purchased a campsite in a campground and golf court resort facility. The County passed an ordinance that prevents you from using the property 24/7/365. Again, this is because the property is considered a campsite and not a residential property.

Unfortunately, laws change and the Association must comply with all applicable laws. Therefore, your issue would have been with the County Zoning Commission and not your Association.

You may want to approach the zoning commission to see if your property can get a waiver. Then ask the Association if they will allow the waiver. This, of course would have been the advice I would have offered had you discovered this site prior to starting legal action.

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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 7:15 AM

21. Occupancy
Caroline County has amended the zoning ordinance for all campgrounds/camping areas and individual lots within those areas. Permanent occupancy of any camping lots shall not be permitted. The maximum number of overnight stays shall not exceed 180 days from January 1st thru December 31st. Caroline County will issue citations to include court appearances and fines. F____ W____s will impose up to a $8.00 per day assessment on members who don't follow Caroline County's ordinances. Questions or concerns can be addressed by Planning and Zoning @ (804) 633-4303.

20/20 hindsight has me ask if you looked up the zoning ordinance?

If you didn't look it up, did you call the number provided and ask about it (what did they say)?

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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 7:15 AM

the Club's attorney said the Supreme Court had changed that and after reading the paper the judge allowed their costs. I did not see the paper and have no idea what the attorney was referring to.

Again 20/20 hindsight, should have asked for a copy when he handed it to the judge.

Note: per VA § 55-513 which addresses rules:

Rules and regulations may be enforced by any method normally available to the owner of private property in Virginia, including, but not limited to, application for injunctive relief or damages, during which the court may award to the association court costs and reasonable attorney fees.

BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 7:15 AM
The Club can set rules for the common areas. Rule 21 did not pertain to the common area, but to property that I own. Here is the rule that I went into court to challenge:

21. Occupancy
Caroline County has amended the zoning ordinance for all campgrounds/camping areas and individual lots within those areas. Permanent occupancy of any camping lots shall not be permitted. The maximum number of overnight stays shall not exceed 180 days from January 1st thru December 31st. Caroline County will issue citations to include court appearances and fines. F____ W____s will impose up to a $8.00 per day assessment on members who don't follow Caroline County's ordinances. Questions or concerns can be addressed by Planning and Zoning @ (804) 633-4303.

Section 55-515 does not allow payment of legal costs, however, the Club's attorney said the Supreme Court had changed that and after reading the paper the judge allowed their costs. I did not see the paper and have no idea what the attorney was referring to.

Wayne

State and local zoning laws are pretty similar where I live too. It does not matter if the lot is privately owned. I question how the Club can fine you for the violation though since its a County ordinance. Seems to me the fines and citations would be issued by the County as you say and the Club is getting benefit from the member's noncompliance.

I would seek a legal opinion before proceeding. Some attorneys do not charge for your first consultation. If you proceed with any type of legal action, will you ultimately pay more for your attorney fees than just paying the Club's fees? Are the fees you are asked to pay reasonable? Did the judge address that issue? Here in Iowa, in some limited cases, attorneys fees may be charged to the losing party but they must be reasonable. And the attorney may have to prove it. That is one reason attorneys are supposed to keep track of their billable hours.

Only you can decide what your tolerance level is. Maybe just paying their attorney fees is worth the price to just move on. If you do seek a legal remedy keep in mind not only the financial cost but the stress these things can cost as well.

Good luck to you.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 7:15 AM

21. Occupancy
Caroline County has amended the zoning ordinance for all campgrounds/camping areas and individual lots within those areas.

Rule 21 appears to be based on the interpretation of a county ordinance by an unknown party. Not only do you not know who made this interpretation, you also have no reference to the source. You do not know if such an ordinance exists nor if it is properly interpreted.

If there is/was such a county ordinance the proper party to enforce it would be the county. If the county fails to issue a citation, where does the club get the authority to fine a member for violations?

ErikaC (Virginia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
You have to read your HOA's CC&RS (articles of incorporation, declaration and bylaws) extremely carefully. For the following reasons: in VA most HOA' are govern by not only the Hoa docs, but VA POA act and VA NONstock Corp Act. They also allow for the HOA to levy/collect "any and all direct and indirect charges a member creates"...so filing a civil suit against a VA HOA can be extremely costly to the party that loses.

Without knowing all the details in the civil suit you filed, please remember the VA General Assembly amended and adopted revised legislation (VA GA 2012 session), requiring ALL HOA's to adopt a formal "Complaint process and from". In most cases civil suits get tossed if the petitioner has not sought the internal remedies, regulatory & judicial oversight by the CICB- Common Interest Community Board, as part of VA's DPOR (dept of occupational resource).

If I can give you a couple of tips (versus filing another civil action, assuming it was dismissed with prejudice)

1). As a HOA member in good standing, request a copy of your HOA's complaint process/form....they are REQUIRED to send it to you if you make a formal written request.

2). As for the "approved meeting minutes", 3 month prior to the "new rule" and 3 months after the new rule.

3). Once you get the complaint form, you will want to complete it, enclose any and all facts...what happens next is itemized below:
--HOA has 10 days to send you a letter that they have received your completed form
--HOA has 30 days to investigate your complaint
--You have to request a meeting to discuss your complaint
--if you are unhappy with the HOA's investigation and outcome, that's when you are allowed (by VA statues) to file a hearing with the CICB Ombudsman.

Here is the VA GA legislative link for changes adopted in 2012:http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+HB979

Let me know if you have questions, I'll do my best to help.
Regards,
Current HOA President (of a very large HOA 3,800+ homes in our HOA)
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Erika,

Exhaustion of administrative remedies is a common requirement before seeking relief in the courts. I wonder why neither the court nor the association raised the issue.

ErikaC (Virginia)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Larry,

I completely agree with you and I too was a bit curious why the Court or HOA didn't bring it up. My guess is it's possible Wayne's HOA may not have adopted the REQUIRED complaint process.

I do think the original poster (Wayne) could get another bite at the apple and it won't cost nearly as much as filing a lawsuit. The key is he needs to follow the Complaint process established by CICB & DPOR. This has the potential to establish a trail of evidence, affidavits and exhibits if he were to refile a suit against his HOA. But refilling a suit will likely end in a Judge/HOA saying any suit he files was filed in bad faith, frivolous etc.

Wayne, here is a link to the CICB that I mentioned. I hope you find it useful:
http://www.dpor.virginia.gov/Boards/CIC-Board/
MissyP (Alabama)
Posts: 63
Posted:
I am sorry but pursuing this in court is just going to cost more time and money. What are we exactly suing for? Was it the fee they charged for staying overnight over 180? Was that what your suing about? The POA can adopt the rules they want but they also have to be compliant with the county.

Others may advice you to go back to court and hire a lawyer. I just forsee that as a mistake and putting yourself up for more unnecessary expenses. Expect to have to pay the other side's costs again if you pursue. Suing your POA/HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. That lawyer of the POA was also representing you as a member. Why not just pay the additional fee and live life instead?
BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
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Posted By MissyP on 02/06/2014 2:54 PM
I am sorry but pursuing this in court is just going to cost more time and money. What are we exactly suing for? Was it the fee they charged for staying overnight over 180? Was that what your suing about? The POA can adopt the rules they want but they also have to be compliant with the county.

Others may advice you to go back to court and hire a lawyer. I just forsee that as a mistake and putting yourself up for more unnecessary expenses. Expect to have to pay the other side's costs again if you pursue. Suing your POA/HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. That lawyer of the POA was also representing you as a member. Why not just pay the additional fee and live life instead?

I wonder what the suit was for too. I guess I assumed it was whether the poster is in violation of the ordinance because he owns the property and the 180 days doesn't apply to privately owned property. But maybe it was to contest the fine the Camp is imposing on him because he went over the 180 days in violation of the County ordinance.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Erica,

I would expect that since Wayne has already taken the Association through the legal process, and received a ruling, that the Ombudsman's office can do anything about the issue.

Since it was fairly easy to figure out what Association Wayne is part of, it should be noted that their website provides a pdf document of that County ordinance (which was adopted in 2003). The Association is advertised as a "campground and golf court resort." Here is a link to the actual County zoning restriction:

http://www.visitcaroline.com/zarticle15.pdf scroll down to page 65 of the document, section 20.

As has been said by others, we don't know the details of the issue, how the case was presented, the reference referred to by the Association in regard to collection of legal expenses or a copy of the actual ruling. Mind you, per the initial posting, this was done in small claims court. (The only cases I saw that were available were concerning debt collection). Therefore, there may or may not be a complete record available to everyone except those involved in the case.

In my opinion, the best we can do is suggest what has already been suggested, consult a local attorney to see if the charges awarded were reasonable and authorized (as was successfully argued). As we know, an appeal is typically only based on the technicalities of the case and not the actual testimony. Additionally, the clock is ticking for filing an appeal.

Wayne, I wish we could do more for you. Unfortunately, in this instance, you simply found this site to late into your issue for us to be of more assistance.

WayneR1 (Virginia)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I certainly appreciate all the remarks and help. It was not until recently that I found this site. Had I found it prior to filing I expect I would not have gone to court.

As far as a complaint form or process, this Club has none and it does not respond to any correspondence.

Here is my opening statement in court:

The question is whether the F___ W___s Club, through it's Board of Director's, can impose a fine on members who use their property more than 180 days a year. I contend that the Board does not have that authority.

All members, when purchasing property at the Club, agree to abide by the Covenants. Article 5 of those Covenants allows the Board of Director's to set the annual dues for all members. Those dues may not be increased during the year. My understanding of the word “annual” means 365 days and not 180 days.

On September 6 and again on October 7 I received an invoice from the Club indicating that I was being fined $900.00 as an overstay fee. The reason for the additional dues was that I had violated rule number 21, as established by the Board of Director's, in that I had occupied my lots for more than 180 days.

I contend that the Board of Director's has changed Article 5 of the Covenants, by imposing an additional fee after 180 days, and the Club should refund the $900 along with interest in the amount of 8%, the late payment fee and the filing fees for a total of $1,059.73.

Had someone from the Club responded to my letters and meeting with the Board, chances are we would not be here today.

Wayne
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Wayne

From what I read the stay more then 180 days is real simple.

Is your issue the 180 days or the "charge" to do so?

MissyP (Alabama)
Posts: 63
Posted:
There is a difference between a "fee" and a "fine". It is a bit confusing here. The POA can charge a "fee" in addition to the dues you must pay. It's written in your rules as you say. You are responsible for paying fees and dues. Fines on the other hand don't work the same as "fees". They are punitive in nature and have to be established to be charged with a fining schedule.

Fines can't be used as basis of liens or foreclosures. However, fees and unpaid dues can be. Having this charge listed as a fee changes that. It's like charging a "for use" charge versus a "correction" punishment to correct an action. You paying the fee would allow you to exceed the 180 days as long as you pay. A fine is put into place to make you have to pay or stop your actions.

At this point, I would just stop your actions and pay up. Your just digging yourself into a deeper hole at this point. Chalk it up to experience and not ego... Move on...
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 5:09 PM
I certainly appreciate all the remarks and help. It was not until recently that I found this site. Had I found it prior to filing I expect I would not have gone to court.

That's nice to hear.

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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 5:09 PM

As far as a complaint form or process, this Club has none and it does not respond to any correspondence.

They should be responding to correspondence. You may want to bring that issue up at your next general membership meeting. Please note: if your correspondence to the board even hinted at potential litigation, they might not have responded based on legal advice.

If you were considering going to court, I would have also advised you to send correspondence via certified mail to the registered agent with copies via first class mail to all members of the Board and any property manger or management company.

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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 5:09 PM

Here is my opening statement in court:

I understand your thinking. However, the amount of assessments and the limitation on length of stay are, as you found out, two different things.

Besides the issue of length of stay originating from the Zoning Board, the argument in court should have been for procedural violation of VA § 55-513, Adoption and enforcement of rules. That is to say if there were any procedural violations and if the VPOAA is applicable to your type of Association.

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Posted By WayneR1 on 02/06/2014 5:09 PM

On September 6 and again on October 7 I received an invoice from the Club indicating that I was being fined $900.00 as an overstay fee. The reason for the additional dues was that I had violated rule number 21, as established by the Board of Director's, in that I had occupied my lots for more than 180 days.

I am surprised that you did not receive any warnings prior to that amount. Additionally, if The VA Property Owners' Association Act is applicable to your Association, it appears (based on your postings) that your Association may have been in violation of VA § 55-513. Adoption and enforcement of rules. Per item B, paragraph 2:

Before any such charges or suspension may be imposed, the member shall be given an opportunity to be heard and to be represented by counsel before the board of directors or other tribunal specified in the documents. Notice of a hearing, including the charges or other sanctions that may be imposed, shall be hand delivered or mailed by registered or certified mail, return receipt requested, to the member at the address of record with the association at least 14 days prior to the hearing. Within seven days of the hearing, the hearing result shall be hand delivered or mailed by registered or certified mail, return receipt requested, to the member at the address of record with the association.

Therefore, if the Association did not hold a hearing, send you notice of a hearing or gave you an opportunity to be heard at the hearing, they should not have been able to impose charges for violation of that rule.

Mind you, I am not an attorney and I do not work within the legal profession.

You may or may not be able to file a complaint with the CIC Board via the CIC Ombudsman office (see http://www.dpor.virginia.gov/CIC-Ombudsman/ ). Said complaint may or may not have the Association waive the charges for the rule violation (providing that there were procedural violations). However, any such complaint would not waive your court ordered requirement to reimburse legal expenses for the Association defending themselves from your legal action.

I know your experience has been an expensive lesson in Associations.

I hope this little bit of advice helps,

Tim

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By MissyP on 02/06/2014 6:44 PM

Fines on the other hand don't work the same as "fees". They are punitive in nature and have to be established to be charged with a fining schedule.

Melissa, In VA, fines are not authorized. However, charges are (which is the same as fines except for the terminology). This change in terminology came about from a VA Supreme Court case ruling (previously discussed in this forum).

Charges for violations of rules, are authorized per VA law § 55-513 (see previous posting in this thread for the link)

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Posted By MissyP on 02/06/2014 6:44 PM

Fines can't be used as basis of liens or foreclosures.

This is NOT the case in VA and may not be the case in other states.

Per VA § 55-513, charges "shall be treated as an assessment against the member's lot for the purposes of § 55-516." Since the charges are treated as assessments, they can, per VA § 55-516, be the basis of a Lien and the Lien may be foreclosed on.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
the issue was a lack of understanding of the hierarchy of the documents

state/county/local law OVERRIDES the CC&Rs

if the law is more restrictive (180 day stay maximum)
IT APPLIES even though the CC&Rs are silent

if the CC&Rs were MORE restrictive then THEY would apply

evidently, imo, a new law restricting length of stay was passed after the CC&Rs were in effect - how the HOA became involved in enforcement of same is the big ???

is the fight worth it ????
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
ps. this may NOT be a fee simple 'direct ownership'

this may actually be a 'membership deed' (forgot the actual terminology)

sort of like a 'co-op' as opposed to a condo

membership entitles one to 'occupy' a given space in perpetuity, but is directly governed by an 'offering statement' as opposed to CC&Rs

let the contract prevail

CAVEAT EMPTOR[/B]
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By JohnB26 on 02/06/2014 7:28 PM

how the HOA became involved in enforcement of same is the big ???

Perhaps any enforcement and penalty by the County would also be against the Association for non compliance with the zoning requirement.

It's also possible that this is the Associations way of ensuring that it's members are aware of the requirement by the County.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
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Posted By JohnB26 on 02/06/2014 7:28 PM

how the HOA became involved in enforcement of same is the big ???

Actually, it appears that per the zoning requirement, the Association had to become involved (see link posted earlier):

"A register shall be kept by campground/camping area operator [i.e. the Association] for three (3) years, which shall at all times be available for inspection by code enforcement officials. The register shall show the name of each lot owner, the address and lot number, name, model and identification number of all recreational vehicles on such lot at any time, and the dates of occupancy. "

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