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MarkH1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:

Other than reading posts here for the last year and being able to mostly understand our CC&R docs, I have no experience. Our HOA will soon be taking over from the developer and are currently soliciting for nominees for 2 board posistions. The transition pres and 3 other board members were people selected by the developer. Our development is 172 houses and 90 townhouses. We're located in NC.

I see all the hassles everyone posts but of course there really aren't many positives posted.

So bottom line, worth running for board? Advantages? Disadvantages?

Thanks,

Mark
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Everyone wants someone else to step up and take care of things for them. They don't want to be bothered and believe that they pay their dues so they shouldn't have to be. The problem with that line of thinking is the assumption that someone else will step up and give their time and effort to make things right.

In my situation, everything was slowly getting worse for a few years and then last year it got much worse; it was the general apathy of everyone in the community. When I joined the board I became the Treasurer and talked to the members of the previous board. They said that they didn't do anything and that the community manager did everything for them and they had a meeting once a quarter. It is because no one from the community was personally involved that we ended up with people owing the community for several years’ worth of dues, things that were broken were not fixed in a timely manner, things were not cleaned regularly and houses were allowed to become run down.

When I originally decided to join the board I had no idea how much was involved but thinking back on it I don't think it was a mistake. That is your community; who better to maintain it and look after its best interest?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Mark:

That is only a question you can answer as a volunteer. I joined and stay on because I was tired of nothing happening and now am afraid if I left everything I have worked for will crumble. Yes it is a lot of thankless work. Your reward is seeing your community as a better place than when you started and often times I have many residents who thank me for the work we do.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
MarkH1,

As for positives and advantages, there are many I have experienced. Each HOA is different, you may not experience the challenges many have in making sure those with an agenda are ousted.

A good first step is to form or join a Board approved committee. This may allow you to gain some hands on experience without being in the line of fire as a BOD. The biggest challenge you will face is the learning curve, things you and many volunteers can't possibly foresee. As an incumbent, your voice of reason will need to be established over time amongst a quorum (Pres, and 3 other BOD's) that can outvote you. Think longterm, rather than making premature assertions to "right the wrong" (if any) so to speak. Build support and use the committee position as a stepping-stone to gain election to the Board. It is political after all, volunteer or not.

Interesting how you have two types of housing, single-family and townhouses. Do you have two boards, such as an HOA and a COA?

A Board member is a fiduciary and is entrusted to ensure the common, limited, and general elements are maintained and replaced, and the by-laws and cc&r's are adhered to. Two of the most important responsibilities are a Transition Analysis and Capital Reserve Replacement Analysis.

TRANSITION
Transition in an HOA is the process of moving from a state of Developer control and construction to ownership by the HOA/COA (all members in the Association). Transition from the Developer to resident run board, and transition of the elements to the responsibility of the community is a challenging, methodical, and long-term process. It is make or break for the community's financial future. Once the Developer is officially off the Board, the Board hires (at the Association’s expense) a Transition Engineering firm to inspect a percentage of the townhouses (usually 10% at first) and the common elements to evidence deficiencies in construction, and latent defects. If there are trends, more townhouses are then inspected. This will establish a basis to request the Developer repair the deficiencies or proved capital contribution to the HOA/COA. Note, if you seek reimbursement to repair the deficiencies, you may need to extrapolate for the percentage of the elements not inspected in the Transition deficiency report. If the Developer disputes the requested reimbursement, the HOA may need to contract the Transition Engineering firm to perform more inspections.

CAPITAL RESERVE REPLACEMENT ANALYSIS
The Transition Engineering firm, hired by the HOA/COA, will perform a Capital Reserve Analysis. The Reserves are an account (savings, money market) that is a percentage of the monthly maintenance fees that will fund the replacement of the elements at the end of their useful life cycle. Your governing documents/prospectus should have Developer budgets and Developer estimated replacements costs (ERC). Often the budgets and ERC are low-balled by the Developer and reflect outdated ERC's that don't reflect inflation/rising construction costs. For example, mine were fore casted by the Developer in 2002. A the time of the Transition Analysis construction costs rose more than 18% since 2002. The Reserve Analysis will provide the cost of replacement at the end of each element's life cycle, the date of original construction of each element, the useful life cycle of each element, the measurement of each element (cubic, square, linear feet), the minimum amount necessary to be set aside each year to fund the replacement of the elements (called the threshold which can be a percentage of the total replacement cost), the minimum reserve balance at all times. The threshold may be 5% of the total replacement cost set aside each year, so if the total replacement cost is $1,000,000 and 5% threshold is adopted by the HOA than each year $50,000 needs to be set aside in Reserves. Therefore, each of the 262 HOA units will contribute $15.90 per month towards the Reserves. Calculation is $50,000 divided by 262 divided by 12 months. The Transition Eng. will probably estimate that the elements in your community were constructed in 2004. Therefore, the amount necessary to set aside going forward will need to calculate the previous years that were not funded according to current replacement costs. For example, the Developer may have an ERC that states $39,000 is the Reserve amount to set aside each year. Whereas the Transition Eng. says $50,000 is more correct. So if funding of $39,000 started in 2002, the HOA needs to make up the difference of $11,000 x 5 years. That's where the HOA, probably through the HOA attorney requests the Developer contribute $55,000. These numbers are demonstrative.

Hope this helps you and good luck!!!

PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
MarkH1:
I will comment from another perspective. These thoughts come from a gentleman in a neighboring community who successfully has held a Board position for many years and has ALSO managed to maintain resident friendships and respect from all in his community.

- DO NOT volunteer with a 'planned agenda', in that you aim to clean up all 'problems' and show all that the Board is here to run a tight ship.
- DO NOT make yourself hard to reach or approach; residents need to see you on the street.
- CREATE a Form so concerns can be sent in writing and Board can retain a record w/solutions.
- ALWAYS respond to a call or written concern.
- USE Common Sense for Common Ground--thinking not too far to the left or to the right, but with an appropriate solution to benefit the community as a whole.
- DON'T BE so quick to say NO! to a request; let residents know you want to work w/them to come to an appropriate solution.
- SCHEDULE 'town hall' meetings for residents to brainstorm, air concerns and offer solutions.
- IT IS not a battle--Board against Residents, you are all in it together.
- ACT FAIRLY to all; show no partiality.

I'm sure many on this forum have other good thoughts to offer you.
These are just a few. Good Luck whatever you decide to do.

MarkH1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:

Thanks all for the replies and words of wisdom. I'm not even sure if I'd get on the board anyway

I really don't have an agenda at all, well maybe a little bit of one.. All the members selected so far by the developer are at the far end of the community and all buddies. I'm in the middle of the development and don't know any of them. It's almost like little subgroups form with each phase of development. I want to get in the mix not only to be more involved but also to discourage favoritism. Not to say that they won't be fair and reasonable but I'd read enough here to know what the possibilities with the buddy system are.

As a start I can see tons of rules being broken that will affect a lot of people if enforced. They're all relatively minor but I think it's going to cause a lot of friction when and if a new board tries to enforce them. Things like trash barrels visible from the street, commercial vans/trucks in driveways, unapproved trampolines, unapproved planters, unapproved landscaping, parking on the streets etc -- minor stuff but still broken rules. Some are worse with unapproved construction and a couple of unapproved fences that will not pass CC&R requirements. Some of the first houses in our development were completed 3+ years ago and have some of the items mentioned.. I'm not even sure how you'd go about enforcing this stuff after so many years have passed other than to send notice that these items will be enforced and if not approved already then they need a ARC form submitted???

My biggest concern is being amoung the first group of board members that would provide any enforcement at all of the CC&R's and end up getting harassed or whatever. Some of my direct neighbors are breaking rules with sheds, trampolines and other items and I don't want them blaming me or expecting me to do something. I like my neighbors but if they never talked to me again it'd be thier loss and not mine so I have no problem with enforcing what should be enforced.

Maybe I should wait for the second term??
MarkH1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JoeW1 on 04/05/2007 7:27 AM

Interesting how you have two types of housing, single-family and townhouses. Do you have two boards, such as an HOA and a COA?

Hope this helps you and good luck!!!


Just one HOA with slightly different rules and dues for townhouse owners.

Yes, big help, Thanks!

MarkH1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulM on 04/05/2007 10:50 AM
MarkH1:
I will comment from another perspective. These thoughts come from a gentleman in a neighboring community who successfully has held a Board position for many years and has ALSO managed to maintain resident friendships and respect from all in his community.

- DO NOT volunteer with a 'planned agenda', in that you aim to clean up all 'problems' and show all that the Board is here to run a tight ship.
- DO NOT make yourself hard to reach or approach; residents need to see you on the street.
- CREATE a Form so concerns can be sent in writing and Board can retain a record w/solutions.
- ALWAYS respond to a call or written concern.
- USE Common Sense for Common Ground--thinking not too far to the left or to the right, but with an appropriate solution to benefit the community as a whole.
- DON'T BE so quick to say NO! to a request; let residents know you want to work w/them to come to an appropriate solution.
- SCHEDULE 'town hall' meetings for residents to brainstorm, air concerns and offer solutions.
- IT IS not a battle--Board against Residents, you are all in it together.
- ACT FAIRLY to all; show no partiality.

I'm sure many on this forum have other good thoughts to offer you.
These are just a few. Good Luck whatever you decide to do.


Printed for future reference, Thanks!
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Mark:

“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws” - Plato 427-347 BD

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead

“All truth passes through 3 phases: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed, and Third, it is accepted as self-evident.” — Arthur Schopenhauer

With all of those words of wisdom above, I have been managing associations since 1982, condo's, HOA's, POA's, SOA's townhomes, residential and commercial, I've said all of that to say this;

Board Members are important to the association, a good board with good management can make all of the difference in the community. There will be trials and heartache, but if you are one of those who like satisfaction from seeing your board make things right in the community and you can be happy with that, then go for it!

I could not imagine running any of our communities without our boards hard work and input.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
MarkH1 - enforcement of the cc&r's is a good thing to remedy. however your focus should be on the financial bottom line, whether you're on the board or not. I can not stress enough the importance of a transition deficiency study and capital reserve replacement analysis. think big picture and worry about the do's and dont's later.
DavidS3 (Maryland)
Posts: 37
Posted:
Mark

I am just completing my second, and last two year term on our Board. I was elected as the first resident member of a developer/builder Board and became president when the residents assumed full control two years ago. Five years ago I semi-retired from a systems engineering career and moved into my first HOA community. After attending a few developer/builder board meetings it slowly dawned on me that neither they, nor the management company they hired, would define what kind of Community I was going to live in and that the ugly four letter word "work" went along with buying a house.

When I first became a candidate for the Board the developer assigned myself and the other candidates to a resident advisory committee where my first contribution was to write terms of reference for other resident advisory committees and to get the Board to approve them. These committees include Communications, Programs, Operations, Budget and Finance, Covenants and Design Review. Note that our DRC (together with our recently hired GM)handles the processing of all design changes and or design guideline violations while Covenants handles other Code violations. The Board keeps track of what is going on but rarely becomes directly involved.

The Advisory Committees make life so much easier for the Board. Residents with ideas are asked to bring them up to the Committees first. With the help of the GM the Committee will research it, run it by B&F (if an expenditure is involved) and then make a formal recommendation to the Board. I can safely say that our Board has accepted over 90% of all purchase recommendations and policy recommendations put forward by the Committees. As an example, we formed a six month transition committee which carefully researched alternative forms of management and did preliminary interviews with local attorneys. For the latter Board members selected from three really excellent choices. As for the management approach, the Committee, after much debate and thoughtful tradeoffs, concluded that we needed a full time GM. At a subsequent Board meeting when we announced the beginning of a GM search there were the few expected protests that we really didn't need one and it was too much money. I can't begin to tell you how much I enjoyed pointing to the work done by their fellow residents and the compelling logic that led them to their recommendation. End of protest.

You have received a lot of very good advice in answer to your question. My suggestion, if you do decide to run, is that you make it your priority to get others involved by establishing a commitee structure and working hard to get people to join. Committees, in addition to reducing the load on current Board members, are also the breeding grounds for future candidates.

My four years on the Board wasn't always easy and it certainly involved a lot of work. But the compensation, working with others to shape a better community, is much more than worth it.

Dave
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The best advice I ever got with being a board member/officer was from a former board member. They reminded me that the money of the HOA's is NOT my personal money but EVERYONE's money in the HOA. It was this advice that really changed my way of thinking and let me be less controlling. I realized that I was elected to represent the needs and desires of ALL the members. It was my job to spend the money on NOT what I felt was a good idea but what the MAJORITY of members felt. If the members wanted the HOA to paint the streets red, I was to make sure we had the funds and contractor to do so. Essentially, my job was to FASCILLITATE what the members wanted and NOT enforce ideas of my own.
You have to make being a board member part of who you are. It has to be something you believe in and willing to put the effort into. This is part of your investment as well as everyone elses. Remember NOT everyone is going to be as eager as you nor do they want to be involved. Don't force it.
The CC&R's are there for a reason. They are the standards the Homeowners have agreed to live by when they invested in the area. It's a CONTRACT. Treat it like one. The HOA has to live up to it's side of the contract just like the members have to live up to theirs.
I always felt the job was a "THANK FULL" job and NOT a "THANK LESS" one. The friends I made and the accomplishments were worth the effort. It can take one person to make the right changes for the right reasons to make living in the HOA a great place to live.

Former HOA President
KevinH (Texas)
Posts: 53
Posted:
I ask myself that each year now. Ultimately, I run again. I guess when my answer is finally no, I will stop.

I cannot answer for you, but here are reasons I do it:
1) Good place to learn hands-on about organizations and how they are run. Most HOAs are incorporated non-profit organizations. It's a good opportunity to learn about the basic functions of a corporation. Generally we learn on a need to know basis. If you volunteer for a board, it is a good opportunity to learn about corporations, parliamentary procedure (rules for conduct at meetings), contracts, negotiation, landscaping, architectural concerns, lawncare, politics and involvement with the city, management, leadership, business finance, real estate laws and other legal issues that arise, etc etc etc. Try different positions, it helps to learn the roles. So far I have been Vice President, President, & now Treasurer. The Secretary has certain unique powers, though they are also the one everyone seems to expect to take notes / meeting minutes. Something I have never been very good at... I'd probably forget to write 1/2 of it down.
If none of those things interest you, you may want to reconsider.

2) You are already a member of the HOA. Now decide if you want to sit back and watch others make decisions for the HOA, become an involved member by providing feedback to the board or maybe even volunteer for a committee, or you can jump in and become one of the board of directors. Generally when homeowners are not satisfied with the way the board is being run and they do not understand why they are paying so much for HOA assessments (dues), then they get a fire burning inside that propels them to take action. Some fizzle out quickly, others not so quickly.

3) Thankless job is an understatement. There is no pay, you are expected to do things on your time despite your day job, you get to explain to everyone else why the HOA is they way it is, over and over and over and over... and people love to blame you when something goes wrong in the neighborhood. Even if nothing is wrong, the HOA board members get the finger just because we are there.. in that role. Worse, if you get stuck in a social dispute, it gets real ugly and sides are taken, and feathers start flying, etc. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt (with the target painted on it) to prove it. However, if you live, you get to wear the "I survived the HOA Board" tshirt. If you have an exterior made of titanium and can take on the slings and arrows of the HOA members, by all means, sign up.

4) If you have a vision of how the HOA could be and want to be part of the process that makes it so, then join. Dues are too high? Help lower the operating costs and ensure homeowners are paying their dues on time. Be sure money is being added to a reserve account. Doing this and feeling successul at it, is a great feeling. If you feel you have a lot of individual homeowners but no community, focus on creating a social committee that helps to bring homeowners together for events and contests and on improving communication with them.

Now it's your turn to make your choice.
Best of luck,
Kevin

If you cannot see the forest for the trees, back up and get a better view. Don't start to clear a path while still blind.

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