Mark,
Let me understand this [emphasis added to the quotes as needed].
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/29/2014 6:14 PM
• A meeting was not duly called for the purpose of voting on an assessment increase as our articles of incorporation. The meeting notice stated "Among the topics for this meeting will be the 2014 budget and financial standing" but there was no mention in our meeting notice regarding any special vote to increase the budget, or any vote at all.
Your position is that since the meeting notice did not specify a vote on increasing assessments, no vote should have taken place.
I suspect that the Association would argue that by stating that a topic regarding the financial standing of the Association implies that the membership may need to vote to address the financial standing.
Honestly, I suspect that it's a 50/50 chance on who would win if taken through the courts.
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
The anger I have is that (1) the board wants to control everyone
In reality, per most governing documents, this is how it is supposed to work.
Members elect individuals to the Board of Directors to make the decisions that affect the Association as a whole. Unfortunately, too often members are not willing to step into this role themselves. Therefore, the only choices for Directors are those who are willing to serve.
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
but (2) They don't want to do any of the work
Well, typically the work they are required to do is:
a) Adopt a budget and set the level of assessments (sounds like this is being done).
b) Hold meetings of the Board and of the members (sounds like this is being done.)
c) Provide proper notice for those meetings (
the term proper is under disagreement)
d) Ensure assessments are collected, tracked and deposited. I know from personal experience that this is very, very time consuming (and we only have 130 lots). I likely spend about 2-3 hours per deposit (trip to post office to collect mail, open mail, endorse checks, enter into ledgers, fill out deposit slip, trip to the bank, scan deposit slip for electronic records, file deposit slip for paper records, write letters as needed based on payments, sign letters, file associations copy of letter, fold and stuff envelope for members letter, address and stamp envelope, place in mail). As there is no requirement that the Directors or Officers do this work themselves it is
very common for associations to hire someone or some company to take care of this for them.
e) Ensure maintenance (preventative or corrective) is done on association amenities and common areas. Again, there is no requirement that the Directors or Officers do this work themselves. Typically even when they can do the work, there are potential liability issues, knowledge gaps or time requirements that prevent Directors or Officers from doing the work. Again, it is
very common for associations to hire someone or some company to take care of this for them.
f) Provide specific services (trash/recycling, plowing of streets, etc.).
g) Establish or be the approval authority for exterior changes to the lots.
h) Depending on the wording in the governing documents, enforce the CC&Rs and rules/regs of the Association. Depending on the size of the Association, the number of volunteers from the membership and the number of complaints that are received, an Association may or may not hire someone to assist them with this.
i) Maintain association records (this can physically take a lot of space, therefore many Associations will rent a storage facility or have a hired contractor/company maintain them for the Association).
j) Obtain required insurance.
k) Pay taxes and file required paperwork to State and Federal government.
L) Other requirements imposed by the governing documents or applicable laws.
As you can see, it's not a lot but it's more than simply meeting for 60-90 minutes each month. Volunteers only have so much time that they are willing to give. If the time required exceeds the time they are willing to give, the individual simply won't volunteer or never volunteer for that position again. Therefore, it's not uncommon when individuals quit volunteering to hire a company or contractor to perform as many tasks as possible so the time requirement is minimized in the hope of attracting more volunteers to do the tasks that must be performed by the Association.
If I may ask, when was the last time you volunteered to serve on your Assocaitions Board or one of the committees?
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
so (3) they have hired a third party management company without asking for a vote by the community
Typically, the governing documents give the Board the authority to hire and fire contractors and companies to perform services. The most common hires are grounds maintenance and Trash/recycling services.
I suspect that your governing documents is typical in regard on where the authority lies to hire contractors.
Granted, it would be nice for the issue to come up, wait, per one of your posts it did:
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/30/2014 3:09 AM
The board members last June announced they were spending every penny in our reserves to pay for a third party management company and would figure out how to pay for it at a later date.
So perhaps, when your Board announced in the meeting notice that the financial situation for 2014 would be a topic of discussion at the membership meeting, they expected that members interested and concerned about the financial affairs of the Association (which is only funded by the members) would be in attendance at that meeting.
but, too be honest, based on your initial post [emphasis added}:
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/29/2014 6:14 PM
• Even if a notice was sent and even if we were given the opportunity to have someone vote in proxy for us and even if 2/3 majority voted for the increase; this meeting was held after January 1.
It sounds like you didn't attend the meeting anyway. It's at these annual meetings and at the Board meetings (that per OH law you are allowed to attend) that these discussions occur. If you don't attend any of the meetings or take the time to ask and review the minutes of meetings you don't attend, then you simply won't know what is happening until the decision has already been made.
As a member it's your responsibility to know what is happening within your own Association. Yes it's nice if the Association comes forward and tells you about it. However, if they don't you still have the responsibility to know. Therefore, you need to make the effort to find things out on your own (like by attending meetings and/or reading copies of minutes of the meetings you couldn't attend).
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
and (4) to pay for this management company they held a secret vote
This of course goes back to the notice requirement and if the notice was proper and sufficient enough to be in compliance with your governing documents and applicable State laws. You believe it wasn't, the Association believes it was.
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
while (5) the CC&R and Articles of Incorporation state that the board cannot raise the budget/dues/annual assessment more than 5% without a 2/3 vote of approval by those voting in person or in proxy at a meeting duly called for the purpose of voting for this increase
Again goes back to the notice requirement.
Please note that the requirement is 2/3 of the members in attendance (by person or proxy). Not 2/3 of the membership. Therefore, only those members who are interested enough in the affairs of the Association to attend the meeting would be making the decision. Those members who chose not to attend and also chose not to send a representative (proxy) in their place (which can be done for any meeting), simply has to live with the decision made by others who did choose to attend or send a proxy.
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
and (6) the board didn't give a notice of ANY vote so people who could not attend the meeting would have someone go and vote in their proxy
Well, as I posted earlier, the member may attend any of the annual meetings themselves or they have the right to send a representative (proxy) to the meeting on their behalf. Proxies are not only used for votes. Proxies are also used to show that the member had enough interest in what is happening within it's own Association that they sent a representative to find out what is happening. Additionally, by sending the proxy,
if any vote is taken at all, the proxy may also vote on behalf of the member.
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
and (7) the board NEVER gives a notice of votes as required.
Again, this goes to the issue of was the notice proper. Additionally, does a board need to specify a vote will be taken or simply that the issue will be discussed (which may infer that a decision on the issue, which is typically voted on, will be done at the meeting)?
Based on your posts, you believe that notice of the actual vote needed to be given. You also specify that had you been aware of a vote regarding assessments you would have chosen differently and attended the meeting or send a representative in your place. You apparently also believe that had notice been given, the turnout would have been higher and the increase would have failed.
Your Board believe that proper notice was provided and the vote was valid.
When there are two differing interpretations between parties of a contract either one party chooses not to continue the argument, a compromise is reached or the issue is taken before a third party for a ruling (i.e. the courts).
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
SEE WHY I AM PISSED?
Well, I do understand your frustration. You chose not to become involved in the process that was made available to you (attending the meeting) and the result of that decision cost you money.
I'm not saying that the Board's action was correct or incorrect. I'm tying to point out that members need to become involved in their Associations. At the very least, they should be attending all membership meetings or send someone in their place if they are unable to attend. You chose not to do this but it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for that choice (as you blame the choice on the wording of the notice).
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
Our board is shady
Perhaps. Perhaps not. I would recommend that since you do think that they are shady that you become more involved in your Association. Perhaps even volunteering to serve on your Board. This way, you can make sure that light is shined into the shady activities.
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
I need to find an attorney and sue the board members personally for fraud because they know the rules but are running the show how they want.
That is certainly your right. However, even if you take legal action against each Director individually, State statutes and governing documents typically protect the individual Director form personal financial loss and their expenses are paid for by the Association. As a member of the Association you would be responsible for your share of those expenses. Insurance may or may not come into play. If it is determined that the Board knowingly violated the governing documents or applicable laws, the insurance will typically not pay anything. This would result in the financial expense of the legal defense and any judgement to be paid by the Association. Again, as a member, you would be responsible for your share of those expenses. Additionally, I would suspect the rates for all insurance coverage for the Association to be increased.
For fun, lets take a look at what might happen if you did bring legal action:
Lets say you win:
a) The Association may need to impose a special assessment to return the increase in funds. End result - you, as a member, are paying the association to pay you back the amount of money you just paid them.
b) The Association may need to close down amenities or reduce services (like trash collection from twice a week to once a week) or defer needed maintenance to make the budget work in the confines of the assessment.
c) If the budge can't pay for legal expenses, the Association may need to impose a special assessment to pay for the legal case it lost. You, as a member, would be responsible for your share of those expenses.
d) The following year, proper notice is given and it's possible that the assessments will be set higher (due to potential increase in insurance rates based on the legal action you took).
Lets say you lose:
a) No change occurs to the annual assessment.
b) You may need to pay for the Association legal expenses completely on your own or, at least, pay your share of the Association legal expenses via special assessment.
c) Next years annual assessments may increase more than they needed due to potential higher insurance rates based on the legal action you took.
In reality, it may be better to simply become involved in your Association, gather support and either recall the current Board or simply vote them out of office at the next election. If you have enough support, you can put individuals on the Board that will fire the MC and do as much of the work as they can themselves. They could even take assessments back to the level they were.
By the way: I don't recall seeing it. How many lots are in your Association and what was the vote count? If you determine that even if those who didn't attend all voted against the increase, the increase would have passed, this could be an indication that you don't have the support within the Association.
Mark,
I know that this isn't what you wanted to hear. I hope it helps,
Tim