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MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The board is attempting to collect another special assessment for our dues this year. The CC&R conflicts with the Articles of Incorporation, and the Articles shall be the prevailing document.

My issue is in regards to a "Special Assessment" the board is attempting to collect:

• The articles of incorporation protects home owners from the board members by not allowing special assessments, it only allows ONE assessment per year. Board members may call a special meeting which has the specific purpose of seeking a 2/3 vote of approval for a permanent or even a one year temporary increase on our yearly dues (called assessment) but may not charge special assessments.
• A meeting was not duly called for the purpose of voting on an assessment increase as our articles of incorporation. The meeting notice stated "Among the topics for this meeting will be the 2014 budget and financial standing" but there was no mention in our meeting notice regarding any special vote to increase the budget, or any vote at all.
• A vote was held without giving any residents the opportunity to send a proxy on their behalf.
• Even if a notice was sent and even if we were given the opportunity to have someone vote in proxy for us and even if 2/3 majority voted for the increase; this meeting was held after January 1. Section 6 of the Articles of Incorporation state that any budget increases must be done BEFORE January 1. After January 1, 2014 any legally authorized and valid votes for an increase could only be for 2015 dues.

Our board is not backing down even though I pointed out the obvious facts from our Articles of Incorporation. In March of 2011 I paid another special assessment under these same circumstances and it is just now I am aware what they are doing is not allowed. I would like to also get that back in addition to forcing the board to pay everyone back for that and not be able to charge this. I believe the board may not even be able to collect the regular dues this year because they did not vote on any budget until January 15 this year. Anyone know any good attorneys in the Columbus, OH market? Anyone have and feedback?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Mark,

I am not at all familiar with the Ohio requirements for articles of incorporation, but I cannot imagine why they would address assessments, special assessments, voting on assessments, or budget increases. It would be helpful if you could post the text of the articles here.

You stated, "The CC&R conflicts with the Articles of Incorporation, and the Articles shall be the prevailing document." Where does that statement come from?

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkC18 on 01/29/2014 6:14 PM
The board is attempting to collect another special assessment for our dues this year. The CC&R conflicts with the Articles of Incorporation, and the Articles shall be the prevailing document.

My issue is in regards to a "Special Assessment" the board is attempting to collect:

• The articles of incorporation protects home owners from the board members by not allowing special assessments, it only allows ONE assessment per year. Board members may call a special meeting which has the specific purpose of seeking a 2/3 vote of approval for a permanent or even a one year temporary increase on our yearly dues (called assessment) but may not charge special assessments.
• A meeting was not duly called for the purpose of voting on an assessment increase as our articles of incorporation. The meeting notice stated "Among the topics for this meeting will be the 2014 budget and financial standing" but there was no mention in our meeting notice regarding any special vote to increase the budget, or any vote at all.
• A vote was held without giving any residents the opportunity to send a proxy on their behalf.
• Even if a notice was sent and even if we were given the opportunity to have someone vote in proxy for us and even if 2/3 majority voted for the increase; this meeting was held after January 1. Section 6 of the Articles of Incorporation state that any budget increases must be done BEFORE January 1. After January 1, 2014 any legally authorized and valid votes for an increase could only be for 2015 dues.

Our board is not backing down even though I pointed out the obvious facts from our Articles of Incorporation. In March of 2011 I paid another special assessment under these same circumstances and it is just now I am aware what they are doing is not allowed.

I would like to also get that back in addition to forcing the board to pay everyone back for that and not be able to charge this. I believe the board may not even be able to collect the regular dues this year because they did not vote on any budget until January 15 this year. Anyone know any good attorneys in the Columbus, OH market? Anyone have and feedback?

I am not nor do I play a lawyer.

My understanding is if a budget is delayed, the corporation continues to operate under the last budget.

You seem to believe and want a lot. Time to lawyer up and find out if you are right.

MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Attached is page 6 the Articles of Incorporation, page 6 deals with the "ASSESSMENTS". I wasn't able to upload the whole thing because this site only allows 200k, but I can email you that if you want.

The bottom line is the board said there would be a meeting to review the budget but NEVER indicated to anyone there would be a vote about anything. The articles state a meeting must duly be called for the purpose of voting for an increase.

The board is trying to make this a special assessment rather than the regular annual assessment. The articles of incorporation does not give any authority to charge anything other than the annual assessment and the board is not allowed to increase more than 5% with a 2/3 approval from members voting in person or in proxy at a meeting DULY CALLED FOR THIS PURPOSE.

The "Codes of regulation" has a section that states the board has authority to charge special assessments, and the guidelines for these assessments can be found in the articles of incorporation and/or the Covenants and Restrictions. (they just copied someone else's codes of regulation, this was not designed simply for our 44 unit HOA)
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JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
You and/or the trustees apparently are confused as to the hierarchy of your documents.

Each item is SUBSERVIANT to ALL items above them on the list

US Constitution

Federal Law

State Law (incl corporate law

Local / County Law

Covenants, Conditions, and Restricti attached to the deed and are the 'contract' between the homeowners

Articles of Incorporation = define the incorporation of the HOA as per applicable state law

By-Laws = govern how the CORPORATION is operated as per state law
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mark,

Is the Declarant (referred to as Wimpey in the document you provided) still in the picture?

If he is, then, per the document provided, only special assessments can be levied.

If he is not, then, from what you provided, the annual assessment would be a maximum of $60 per lot the first year. After the first year, the Board may raise it 5% per year. Increases greater than 5% must be approved by the membership.

As John pointed out, the order of precedence is has the CC&Rs above the Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws or Resolutions. If there is a conflict between two documents, the higher precedence document needs to be complied with unless there is language in the higher precedent document deferring control to a lower precedent document.

Is it possible for you to cite why you believe that the Articles of Incorporation would be the controlling document in this issue?

ReneeC2 (Florida)
Posts: 93
Posted:
This is California's code quoted.

Common interest developments have a number of documents controlling the development. Not all documents are created equal--some have more authority than others. As provided for in Civil Code §4205 the hierarchy of authority is as follows:
Law (unless the particular law defers to the governing documents)
CC&Rs
Articles of Incorporation
Bylaws
Rules & Regulations
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Mark, what is the SA for? If it is for something that should have been covered by the reserves then they are possibly in violation of Section 5312.06 of the O.R.C. Please note that this section ONLY refers to something that should be covered by reserves. (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5312)

5312.06 Powers of owner's association.

(A) Unless otherwise provided in the declaration or bylaws, the owners association, through its board of directors, shall do both of the following:

(1) Annually adopt and amend an estimated budget for revenues and expenditures. Any budget shall include reserves in an amount adequate to repair and replace major capital items in the normal course of operations without the necessity of special assessments, unless the owners, exercising not less than a majority of the voting power of the owners association, waive the reserve requirement annually.

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I'm not an attorney so if the cap for raising assessments is only in the AIC and not in the Declarations 5312.10 of the O.R.C. may allow them to raise the assessments w/o a homeowner vote.

I don't know what expenses your HOA has or what it must maintain but the base assessment of $60.00 in the document you posted x 44 homes is only $2640 a year and that's if everybody is current and paid up.

BTW Just for grins and giggles, how much was the SA for?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The mode of operation with our HOA is to send a notice of a meeting. 2-3 people who are non board members typically show; we have 44 units.
The board never mentions there will be a vote. They added CC&R by this method. The Articles of incorporation were all we had until 2004. They modified the CC&R in 2010 without notice of any a vote, only a notice there were be a meeting (but again, no mention of what the meeting was about).

The Articles of Incorporation are the original and have never been modified. The dues with normal increases are at $130 per year and the Wimpey person is no longer in the person, the articles were written in 1986. The special assessment is $100.00.

The board members last June announced they were spending every penny in our reserves to pay for a third party management company and would figure out how to pay for it at a later date. The special assessment is the only thing that makes this possible to keep this management company this year. There was no vote on spending all the reserves last year and no vote on allowing the board to hire a third party management company, and no notice of a vote being held before they held a vote where three people, who where non board members, showed up who "unanimously" approved the special assessment.

Information I have been reading give the example that the Articles of incorporation act like the us constitution and the bylaws act as state laws. When there is a conflict between the two the Articles of Incorporation shall prevail.

Keep the feedback coming, and thank you!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mark,

Typically, when a development is started, it is planned and drawn up. This document is called the PLAT.

Prior to any homes being sold, deed restrictions are recorded. These deed restrictions are called the Declaration of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions (CC&Rs). The CC&Rs are the basis for creating and empowering the Association known as HOA.

Most (if not all) Associations become incorporated, as this gives the Association certain advantages and the membership certain protections. To become incorporated, the Articles of Incorporation are created and registered with the State which creates the entity HOA, Inc.

Regardless of corporation status, Bylaws are typically written and adopted as they specify how the Association is to conduct business.

Over the life of the Association, The Board of Directors will make decisions and adopt various policies. These are known as Resolutions.

What you are telling us regarding what documents came first in your Association is outside the norm. This is why many of us are a bit confused. It very well may be that in your Association an entity known as HOA, Inc. was first created and then the development was started. It's just something that we are not use to hearing.

When you purchased your home, what document (if any) was attached to your deed?

You may need to go to the County court house or property recorders office to find out.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
The AIC or Articles of Incorporation are the papers that form the corporation that is the HOA and are filed with the the Secretary of State. They may also be filed with the County Recorder's Office as an amendment to your Covenants.

The Covenants or Deed Restrictions are filed with your County Recorder's Office and outline what may be done, what is required to be done and what is prohibited on your lot.

The By-laws are required to operate the corporation and spell out how things are to be accomplished. For instance, the Covenants require an annual election, the By-laws spell out HOW the election is to be run, qualifications of prospective Board Members etc. and in Ohio must also be filed with the County Recorder's Office.

I would urge you to read all of O.R.C. 5312 (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/5312) this is the section of code governing HOA's in Ohio. From what you posted, they violated the law by not holding a proper vote on the reserves. But realistically even if you take them to small claims court to recover your SA and win, I don't know that you'll have won more than a Pyrrhic victory.

The better option would be to get enough neighbors together and recall the current Board and vote in some people who are willing to donate a hour or two to running the HOA according to the CC&R's and the Law.

The mode of operation with our HOA is to send a notice of a meeting. 2-3 people who are non board members typically show; we have 44 units.

Well whose fault do you suspect it is, the ones who attend or the ones who can't miss an hour of TV to find out what is going on???

BTW Do your CC&R's have a quorum requirement?


Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
We all need to save this "power" hierarchy and post it on our cork boards.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkC18 on 01/29/2014 6:14 PM
The board is attempting to collect another special assessment for our dues this year. The CC&R conflicts with the Articles of Incorporation, and the Articles shall be the prevailing document.

My issue is in regards to a "Special Assessment" the board is attempting to collect:

• The articles of incorporation protects home owners from the board members by not allowing special assessments, it only allows ONE assessment per year. Board members may call a special meeting which has the specific purpose of seeking a 2/3 vote of approval for a permanent or even a one year temporary increase on our yearly dues (called assessment) but may not charge special assessments.
• A meeting was not duly called for the purpose of voting on an assessment increase as our articles of incorporation. The meeting notice stated "Among the topics for this meeting will be the 2014 budget and financial standing" but there was no mention in our meeting notice regarding any special vote to increase the budget, or any vote at all.
• A vote was held without giving any residents the opportunity to send a proxy on their behalf.
• Even if a notice was sent and even if we were given the opportunity to have someone vote in proxy for us and even if 2/3 majority voted for the increase; this meeting was held after January 1. Section 6 of the Articles of Incorporation state that any budget increases must be done BEFORE January 1. After January 1, 2014 any legally authorized and valid votes for an increase could only be for 2015 dues.

Our board is not backing down even though I pointed out the obvious facts from our Articles of Incorporation. In March of 2011 I paid another special assessment under these same circumstances and it is just now I am aware what they are doing is not allowed. I would like to also get that back in addition to forcing the board to pay everyone back for that and not be able to charge this. I believe the board may not even be able to collect the regular dues this year because they did not vote on any budget until January 15 this year. Anyone know any good attorneys in the Columbus, OH market? Anyone have and feedback?

Mark,

If your board didn't list a special assessment in its agenda, it was willfully negligent in obscuring its actions. That's no good, setting aside legal requirements which establish minimum standards of behavior. I prefer my board operate above and beyond the legal baselines in customer service.

Question the purpose of special assessments - these assessments only arise when the HOA is too broke to complete a project it's supposed to save money and complete.

I would NOT attack the core monthly payment structure of the HOA. You'll hurt yourself and your property integrity. If your board isn't charging enough monthly dues to maintain 44 units and surrounding property, bite the bullet and support the revenue increase necessary. Otherwise, you'll have "low" monthly rates and harmful special assessments that really wallop your wallet (which really raises your dues to the appropriate amount if you divide into the revenue stream)

By the way, if you sue and win on back payments, the board will be required to special assess YOU, collect the money to pay the refunds to all property owners and redistribute it. It's a circular firing squad. You are the HOA. The HOA money is YOUR money. The board is elected by YOU, in part. Apathetic residents are the strongest voting bloc in support of "bad" HOA boards.

Start working to change incompetent board members with competent ones. It can be done. Once done, the tone of your community will change. I've lived through it and can attest to it. Don't throw money away on lawyers.

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
why?

we can't figure out that law overrides contracts?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Looking at the PDF you uploaded, I see nothing that prevents a special assessment, nor have I ever seen language that prevented a special assessment in any association.

As for hiring a mgmt company for 44 units billed quarterly, thats ridiculous. You can probably handle this on your own. Your board obviously doesn't want to do anything anymore and wants to hand it off. The issue is, you cannot afford this service.

You need to either vote in new people at next election, or recall the current people.

That said..... your problem seems to do more with the procedure side of what they are doing instead of the reasons they need the money. Have the services the HOA provides gone up? Or expenses increased? Would you and the other homeowners be willing to accept less service for lower dues? You should concentrate your anger on what is creating the higher expenses, and how the HOA does things procedure wise.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Quote:
You should concentrate your anger on what is creating the higher expenses, and how the HOA does things procedure wise.


I meant to say "You should concentrate your anger on what is creating the higher expenses, "instead of" how the HOA does things procedure wise.
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The anger I have is that (1) the board wants to control everyone but (2) They don't want to do any of the work so (3) they have hired a third party management company without asking for a vote by the community and (4) to pay for this management company they held a secret vote while (5) the CC&R and Articles of Incorporation state that the board cannot raise the budget/dues/annual assessment more than 5% without a 2/3 vote of approval by those voting in person or in proxy at a meeting duly called for the purpose of voting for this increase and (6) the board didn't give a notice of ANY vote so people who could not attend the meeting would have someone go and vote in their proxy and (7) the board NEVER gives a notice of votes as required.

SEE WHY I AM PISSED? Our board is shady and I need to find an attorney and sue the board members personally for fraud because they know the rules but are running the show how they want. Anyone in Columbus, OH who can help would be appreciated.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mark,

Let me understand this [emphasis added to the quotes as needed].

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/29/2014 6:14 PM

• A meeting was not duly called for the purpose of voting on an assessment increase as our articles of incorporation. The meeting notice stated "Among the topics for this meeting will be the 2014 budget and financial standing" but there was no mention in our meeting notice regarding any special vote to increase the budget, or any vote at all.

Your position is that since the meeting notice did not specify a vote on increasing assessments, no vote should have taken place.

I suspect that the Association would argue that by stating that a topic regarding the financial standing of the Association implies that the membership may need to vote to address the financial standing.

Honestly, I suspect that it's a 50/50 chance on who would win if taken through the courts.

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
The anger I have is that (1) the board wants to control everyone

In reality, per most governing documents, this is how it is supposed to work.

Members elect individuals to the Board of Directors to make the decisions that affect the Association as a whole. Unfortunately, too often members are not willing to step into this role themselves. Therefore, the only choices for Directors are those who are willing to serve.

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

but (2) They don't want to do any of the work

Well, typically the work they are required to do is:

a) Adopt a budget and set the level of assessments (sounds like this is being done).

b) Hold meetings of the Board and of the members (sounds like this is being done.)

c) Provide proper notice for those meetings (the term proper is under disagreement)

d) Ensure assessments are collected, tracked and deposited. I know from personal experience that this is very, very time consuming (and we only have 130 lots). I likely spend about 2-3 hours per deposit (trip to post office to collect mail, open mail, endorse checks, enter into ledgers, fill out deposit slip, trip to the bank, scan deposit slip for electronic records, file deposit slip for paper records, write letters as needed based on payments, sign letters, file associations copy of letter, fold and stuff envelope for members letter, address and stamp envelope, place in mail). As there is no requirement that the Directors or Officers do this work themselves it is very common for associations to hire someone or some company to take care of this for them.

e) Ensure maintenance (preventative or corrective) is done on association amenities and common areas. Again, there is no requirement that the Directors or Officers do this work themselves. Typically even when they can do the work, there are potential liability issues, knowledge gaps or time requirements that prevent Directors or Officers from doing the work. Again, it is very common for associations to hire someone or some company to take care of this for them.

f) Provide specific services (trash/recycling, plowing of streets, etc.).

g) Establish or be the approval authority for exterior changes to the lots.

h) Depending on the wording in the governing documents, enforce the CC&Rs and rules/regs of the Association. Depending on the size of the Association, the number of volunteers from the membership and the number of complaints that are received, an Association may or may not hire someone to assist them with this.

i) Maintain association records (this can physically take a lot of space, therefore many Associations will rent a storage facility or have a hired contractor/company maintain them for the Association).

j) Obtain required insurance.

k) Pay taxes and file required paperwork to State and Federal government.

L) Other requirements imposed by the governing documents or applicable laws.

As you can see, it's not a lot but it's more than simply meeting for 60-90 minutes each month. Volunteers only have so much time that they are willing to give. If the time required exceeds the time they are willing to give, the individual simply won't volunteer or never volunteer for that position again. Therefore, it's not uncommon when individuals quit volunteering to hire a company or contractor to perform as many tasks as possible so the time requirement is minimized in the hope of attracting more volunteers to do the tasks that must be performed by the Association.

If I may ask, when was the last time you volunteered to serve on your Assocaitions Board or one of the committees?

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

so (3) they have hired a third party management company without asking for a vote by the community

Typically, the governing documents give the Board the authority to hire and fire contractors and companies to perform services. The most common hires are grounds maintenance and Trash/recycling services.

I suspect that your governing documents is typical in regard on where the authority lies to hire contractors.

Granted, it would be nice for the issue to come up, wait, per one of your posts it did:

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/30/2014 3:09 AM

The board members last June announced they were spending every penny in our reserves to pay for a third party management company and would figure out how to pay for it at a later date.

So perhaps, when your Board announced in the meeting notice that the financial situation for 2014 would be a topic of discussion at the membership meeting, they expected that members interested and concerned about the financial affairs of the Association (which is only funded by the members) would be in attendance at that meeting.

but, too be honest, based on your initial post [emphasis added}:
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/29/2014 6:14 PM

• Even if a notice was sent and even if we were given the opportunity to have someone vote in proxy for us and even if 2/3 majority voted for the increase; this meeting was held after January 1.

It sounds like you didn't attend the meeting anyway. It's at these annual meetings and at the Board meetings (that per OH law you are allowed to attend) that these discussions occur. If you don't attend any of the meetings or take the time to ask and review the minutes of meetings you don't attend, then you simply won't know what is happening until the decision has already been made.

As a member it's your responsibility to know what is happening within your own Association. Yes it's nice if the Association comes forward and tells you about it. However, if they don't you still have the responsibility to know. Therefore, you need to make the effort to find things out on your own (like by attending meetings and/or reading copies of minutes of the meetings you couldn't attend).

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

and (4) to pay for this management company they held a secret vote

This of course goes back to the notice requirement and if the notice was proper and sufficient enough to be in compliance with your governing documents and applicable State laws. You believe it wasn't, the Association believes it was.

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

while (5) the CC&R and Articles of Incorporation state that the board cannot raise the budget/dues/annual assessment more than 5% without a 2/3 vote of approval by those voting in person or in proxy at a meeting duly called for the purpose of voting for this increase

Again goes back to the notice requirement.

Please note that the requirement is 2/3 of the members in attendance (by person or proxy). Not 2/3 of the membership. Therefore, only those members who are interested enough in the affairs of the Association to attend the meeting would be making the decision. Those members who chose not to attend and also chose not to send a representative (proxy) in their place (which can be done for any meeting), simply has to live with the decision made by others who did choose to attend or send a proxy.

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

and (6) the board didn't give a notice of ANY vote so people who could not attend the meeting would have someone go and vote in their proxy

Well, as I posted earlier, the member may attend any of the annual meetings themselves or they have the right to send a representative (proxy) to the meeting on their behalf. Proxies are not only used for votes. Proxies are also used to show that the member had enough interest in what is happening within it's own Association that they sent a representative to find out what is happening. Additionally, by sending the proxy, if any vote is taken at all, the proxy may also vote on behalf of the member.

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

and (7) the board NEVER gives a notice of votes as required.

Again, this goes to the issue of was the notice proper. Additionally, does a board need to specify a vote will be taken or simply that the issue will be discussed (which may infer that a decision on the issue, which is typically voted on, will be done at the meeting)?

Based on your posts, you believe that notice of the actual vote needed to be given. You also specify that had you been aware of a vote regarding assessments you would have chosen differently and attended the meeting or send a representative in your place. You apparently also believe that had notice been given, the turnout would have been higher and the increase would have failed.

Your Board believe that proper notice was provided and the vote was valid.

When there are two differing interpretations between parties of a contract either one party chooses not to continue the argument, a compromise is reached or the issue is taken before a third party for a ruling (i.e. the courts).

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

SEE WHY I AM PISSED?



Well, I do understand your frustration. You chose not to become involved in the process that was made available to you (attending the meeting) and the result of that decision cost you money.

I'm not saying that the Board's action was correct or incorrect. I'm tying to point out that members need to become involved in their Associations. At the very least, they should be attending all membership meetings or send someone in their place if they are unable to attend. You chose not to do this but it sounds like you don't want to take responsibility for that choice (as you blame the choice on the wording of the notice).

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

Our board is shady

Perhaps. Perhaps not. I would recommend that since you do think that they are shady that you become more involved in your Association. Perhaps even volunteering to serve on your Board. This way, you can make sure that light is shined into the shady activities.

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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM

I need to find an attorney and sue the board members personally for fraud because they know the rules but are running the show how they want.

That is certainly your right. However, even if you take legal action against each Director individually, State statutes and governing documents typically protect the individual Director form personal financial loss and their expenses are paid for by the Association. As a member of the Association you would be responsible for your share of those expenses. Insurance may or may not come into play. If it is determined that the Board knowingly violated the governing documents or applicable laws, the insurance will typically not pay anything. This would result in the financial expense of the legal defense and any judgement to be paid by the Association. Again, as a member, you would be responsible for your share of those expenses. Additionally, I would suspect the rates for all insurance coverage for the Association to be increased.

For fun, lets take a look at what might happen if you did bring legal action:

Lets say you win:

a) The Association may need to impose a special assessment to return the increase in funds. End result - you, as a member, are paying the association to pay you back the amount of money you just paid them.

b) The Association may need to close down amenities or reduce services (like trash collection from twice a week to once a week) or defer needed maintenance to make the budget work in the confines of the assessment.

c) If the budge can't pay for legal expenses, the Association may need to impose a special assessment to pay for the legal case it lost. You, as a member, would be responsible for your share of those expenses.

d) The following year, proper notice is given and it's possible that the assessments will be set higher (due to potential increase in insurance rates based on the legal action you took).

Lets say you lose:

a) No change occurs to the annual assessment.

b) You may need to pay for the Association legal expenses completely on your own or, at least, pay your share of the Association legal expenses via special assessment.

c) Next years annual assessments may increase more than they needed due to potential higher insurance rates based on the legal action you took.

In reality, it may be better to simply become involved in your Association, gather support and either recall the current Board or simply vote them out of office at the next election. If you have enough support, you can put individuals on the Board that will fire the MC and do as much of the work as they can themselves. They could even take assessments back to the level they were.

By the way: I don't recall seeing it. How many lots are in your Association and what was the vote count?

If you determine that even if those who didn't attend all voted against the increase, the increase would have passed, this could be an indication that you don't have the support within the Association.

Mark,

I know that this isn't what you wanted to hear. I hope it helps,

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mark,

I know my last post was long. However, I wanted to try and address issues you raised. In going back over the thread, I noticed the following:

1) Per your post, the Board didn't raise assessments but adopted a special assessment.

2) The document you provided only discusses raising assessments (this was pointed out in an earlier posting by Steve). Assessments and Special Assessments are two different things. Therefore you need to locate the sections in your governing documents that address special assessments and how they are levied.

MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
The board adopted "code of regulation" in a community meeting where they did not tell anyone there would be any voting happening (and only 2 non board people were there) and that does state the board can charge a special assessment, HOWEVER, it states that it must be within the guidelines of the articles of incorporation.
The articles DO NOT provide any special assessments. It is very specific that the annual assessment must be voted on prior to January 1 each year, and the board cannot raise it above 5% without a vote of approve by 2/3 at a meeting DULY called for this purpose. If the board really had the power to charge special assessments they could charge as much and as often as they like, correct? I do not believe that is the intent found in the articles of incorporation. No meeting is ever DULY called for the purpose of voting in our community, therefore, no vote by the community is ever a valid vote.
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
by the way, our only amenities is a 1 acre grassy field with nothing on it, and 15 parking spaces. Our normal dues is more than enough to pay for the insurance, mowing and taxes. The lazy board simply does not want to do the work so they spent all the reserve money last year without a vote to pay for a management company starting in June last year, and this year want money to do the same. Special Assessments if anything would be for emergency situations, not running day to day operations. Correct?
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
For the record, i did run for board after the board said they were sick of doing the work. The board did not step down and i did not win because there were more board votes there than residents. The articles are very clear that voting can only be done when a meeting is duly called for that purpose. Who wants to sit through bull shit sessions if we voting on anything? Not me, and that is my right, but that does not take away from my right to know a vote is happening.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By MarkC18 on 02/01/2014 3:20 AM

The lazy board simply does not want to do the work so they spent all the reserve money last year without a vote to pay for a management company

As I said, perhaps you could volunteer to assist in doing the work so the MC can be let go.

As for special assessments, yes, your assumption would be correct. Although, typically, special assessments are for a specific purpose.

As for Assessments, I do think that the only way to meet expenses in your Association is to raise assessments or impose special assessments.

Lets see: 44 lots, $130 per year (per your posting) = $5,720 per year.

Expenses (my estimates):

Liability Insurance: $1,172
D&O Insurance: $1,100
Crime Insurance (works as fidelity bond): $400
Common Area Landscape Maintenance: ?? (I would expect at least $2,000)
Snow plowing of parking area: $ 2,000
Postage and Administrative Supplies: $200

Already the expenses are greater than the income and we haven't discussed Reserves for milling and paving the parking area. At $14 per square foot and approx 1200 square feet = $20,000 or approx $1,000 a year being placed into the Reserves. Of course this amount would likely be higher to address repairs and painting that would be needed between milling and pavings.

Now to be blunt - if you and others are not willing to serve your Association and do the work yourself (with only 44 lots, and the normal apathy rate of 80%, this leaves 9 people who are likely tired of spending all their time and energy on the Association). Then you need to hire help. The other option, if volunteers aren't available and finances don't allow you hire assistance, is to petition the court for receivership. Receivership is not something I would advise.

The receiver works for the Court not the Association. However, the receiver is paid by the Association at a salary determined by the court. Therefore, your Assessments would likely increase more than the $100 special assessment imposed by your Association. I would expect that the Receiver would want $30-50K per year. Of course, even if it's only 10K, this would increase assessments by $227 per lot.

My advice. Get involved and at the very least understand your finances and the actual amount of work it takes. As treasurer, I spent approx 400 hours last year doing association work. This equates to 16 days (24 hrs. per day) or, if you allow for sleeping, a full month of my time that I could have spent with my family, doing hobbies or earning income.

So with all due respect to your issue (and you may indeed have one), to hear from someone who couldn't even bother to attend a meeting I had to take time away from my family to plan and hold, complain about the results of that meeting is a little insulting. At the very least, you don't gain any sympathy from me.

Now, putting my personal feelings aside, As I said earlier in the thread, you may or may not have a actual procedural issue on the special assessment. To be sure, you need to take all of your governing documents (CC&Rs, Article of Incorporation, Bylaws and Resolutions) and perhaps copies of all minutes of meetings held over the last 12-18 months, to a local attorney and obtain a legal opinion. This opinion, depending on the amount of time they have to spend reviewing your documents, case law and applicable statutes, I suspect, would cost you between $300 and $1,000.

Once you have your legal opinion, you can decide if the issue is enough of an issue on principal that you want to spend more money and energy to take legal action.

I understand fighting an issue for the principal alone. To some that type of fight is worth any amount of money that it takes. To others, it may simply be least expensive to pay the $100.

Regardless of what you decide to do, you need to actually become involved in your Association.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
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Who wants to sit through bull shit sessions if we voting on anything? Not me


Then you will suffer the consequences.

If you want a professional, you hire a mgmt company. But be prepared to pay out the nose. If you want amateur volunteers who do their best, but sometimes make mistakes you self manage. If someone isn't doing things up to your standards, you volunteer yourself. Suck it up and volunteer.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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The articles DO NOT provide any special assessments.


It doesn't have to specifically address special assessments. They are legal. Period.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Who is the lazy one? Does not sound like the ones attending the meetings and addressing the issues. Hiring a Management company does NOT equal being "lazy". A MC can NOT make decisions without the board's input and approvals. The MC acts on the behalf of the HOA. That costs money while lessening the burden of some chores best left up to professionals to handle. I would sooner trust an MC to pay the monthly bills and collect than volunteer from my neigh orhood.

A HOA is ONLY funded by its members for its members. If you need the yard mowed you ALL pay for it equally. don not have enough money? Then you raise dues 5% annually per board vote or have a special assessment through member vote. If your HOA can not afford to operate or have a reserve fund, it is ALL of your fault as HOa members.

If your constantly having assessments, that speaks volumes of laziness on the HOa members of contributing enough interest and money to it's needs.

Former HOA President
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
MelissaP1, you are ignorant. It doesn't matter what justification someone has for doing something YOU STILL CANNOT GO AGAINST THE BYLAWS AND ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION! If you are having another boring meeting to talk about the only thing we have, a 1 acre field of grass, then I am not coming. If you want to have a vote then I don't give a damn if you want to tell me there is a vote or not, THAT IS YOUR JOB to tell me there is a vote. This is NOT up for discussion. If you don't duly call a meeting for the specific purpose of VOTING ON AN INCREASE then you cannot have a vote for an increase. PERIOD!

Home Owner Associations are annoying and should be either regulated by the government or made illegal. Personally I want our HOA to be destroyed and be done with it.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am the ignorant one? Mmm... From your lack of participation and judgement statements of HOA's I do not conclude so. FYI one goes by the CC&R's and NOT by laws, They trump by laws. Special meetings can also not have to be held to get certain votes. There is a way around this requirement. If you just took some time to open your eyes and ears instead of your mouth.

Former HOA President
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Melissa, since you have not seen what we do have I will keep my shut about your comments. Have a pleasant day. I will keep everyone updated on what the court of law ends up doing. I have not doubt that a HOA can't just do whatever they want and charge whatever they want when all of our documents state a meeting must be duly called for the purpose of voting for an increase--yet the board doesn't duly call a meeting for that purpose.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Mark,

Thank you for being willing to keep us up to date on the issue.

I wish we could have helped more than we did. Unfortunately, sometimes you do need a legal opinion.

I do wish you luck.

Tim
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I think Mark has made it clear.

He ran for the BOD, did not get elected (as in he got rejected) and he believes "associations are annoying and should be either regulated by the government or made illegal. Personally I want our HOA to be destroyed and be done with it".

Me thinks I know where he stands and any advice not in line with his agenda will be rejected.

MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
JohnC, The board cannot hold any elections or votes without A MEETING DULY CALLED FOR THIS PURPOSE. PERIOD.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
You've answered your own questions, Mark, as Bylaws and Articles matter. Please, no more updates. HOAs are annoying and every meeting is boring if it's run correctly. You shouldn't have bought into an HOA community. You did it to yourself. No more trolling. We'll all be better, including you keeping your cyber sanity.
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
MarkC18,

Some questions, and comments:

1. You posted: “the board said there would be a meeting to review the budget but never indicated to anyone there would be a vote about anything”. Was a vote required or not? That is, did the Budget that was presented show an increase of more than 5% over the previous year’s Budget?

Per ARTICLE VI that you included - so long as the assessment based on the budget was not increased by more than 5% - then a vote is not required, and the Meeting would be only to review.

2. RE Special Assessments, you posted: The Codes of Regulation has a section that states the board has authority to charge special assessments, and the guidelines for these assessments can be found in the Articles of Incorporation and/or the Covenants and Restrictions. (they just copied someone else's codes of regulation, this was not designed simply for our 44 unit HOA).

OK, so your Documents do provide the authority to charge special assessments, and there are guidelines.

Copying someone else’s Codes of Regulation is, often (typically) done, and is perfectly OK.

What do you mean when you write that “this was not designed simply for our 44 unit HOA"?

3. You apparently understand the difference between a regular assessment maintenance fee based on the estimated Budget, and a Special Assessment needed for a particular purpose, not part of the yearly Budget.

I ask because you wrote: “The board is trying to make this a special assessment rather than the regular annual assessment”. Would you further explain?

4. You wrote “There was no vote on spending all the reserves last year and no vote on allowing the board to hire a third party management company. - and “The lazy board simply does not want to do the work.”

It seems to me that the Board had "the right” to hire a Manager. Somewhere in your Documents there should be something like:

“The Board of Trustees may employ the services of a manager in order to perform the duties imposed upon it, and may pay such compensation as it determines. The Board may delegate such administrative and ministerial duties as it determines".

5. You wrote that the board members last June announced they were spending every penny in our reserves to pay for a third party management company and would figure out how to pay for it at a later date.

Apparently hiring the Management Company was done mid-year. And in order to find the money – they borrowed from Reserves. Not the best – but Reserves can typically be borrowed for a short period of time, and then replaced. And, in order to pay back the borrowed Reserve Funds, a Special Assessment was necessary.

OK, what was done was done. And since the Special Assessment was needed to pay back what was borrowed, a Member/Owner Vote, may or may not have been required.

In any case, as I see it, there was only one possible outcome – a “yes” vote for the Special Assessment to replace the funds borrowed.

6. Obviously going forward, the cost of the Management Company needs to be included in the Annual Budget. If this required raising the Regular Assessment Fee by more than 5% - then again, as I see it, there could only be a “yes” vote to approve the Budget.

7. Is everything now running smoothly?

If it is, why not just suggest to the Board, that in the future they adhere to the Documents re “providing written notice” of upcoming Meetings, including listing any specific items that require a Member/Owner vote?

8. Is it possible that providing written “Notice of Member/Owner Meetings and the Agenda”, and preparing Proxies, properly worded, is one of the tasks that the Board will be asking, and paying, the Management Company to do, help with?
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Ellie, Thank you for some real questions and feedback! NICE JOB! Here are my responses after the asterisks below:

1. You posted: “the board said there would be a meeting to review the budget but never indicated to anyone there would be a vote about anything”. Was a vote required or not? That is, did the Budget that was presented show an increase of more than 5% over the previous year’s Budget?

Per ARTICLE VI that you included - so long as the assessment based on the budget was not increased by more than 5% - then a vote is not required, and the Meeting would be only to review.

***** The assessment last year was $130 and the "Special Assessment" was $100. The Special assessment is to do nothing more than cover the extra expense of having a third party management company in 2014, which is not really something for a special assessment but the regular assessment.

2. RE Special Assessments, you posted: The Codes of Regulation has a section that states the board has authority to charge special assessments, and the guidelines for these assessments can be found in the Articles of Incorporation and/or the Covenants and Restrictions. (they just copied someone else's codes of regulation, this was not designed simply for our 44 unit HOA).

OK, so your Documents do provide the authority to charge special assessments, and there are guidelines.

Copying someone else’s Codes of Regulation is, often (typically) done, and is perfectly OK.

What do you mean when you write that “this was not designed simply for our 44 unit HOA"?

****** The Articles of incorporation do not address any "Special Assessment", it only addresses "Assessment" and the code of regulations state that the special assessment must fall in guidelines with the Articles of Incorporation, so I would assume it could only be referring to how the assessment is done. If this is the case then the articles mandate first that a meeting be duly called for the purpose of voting for an increase and 2/3 vote of approval in person or in proxy must be obtained before January 1. This vote was held AFTER January 1. There has to be a cut of date at some point, correct? The board did not give any notice of a vote being held so those of us who work or those who were disabled, or those whose Sabbaths fell during the meeting would have the opportunity to send someone else to vote in our proxy, so that our vote could be counted. THIS IS WHY THE ARTICLS OF INCORPORATION MANDATE A NOTICE OF A VOTE BEING HELD MUST BE GIVEN, and OHIO LAW requires this notice to be given at least 10 days before the vote.

3. You apparently understand the difference between a regular assessment maintenance fee based on the estimated Budget, and a Special Assessment needed for a particular purpose, not part of the yearly Budget.

I ask because you wrote: “The board is trying to make this a special assessment rather than the regular annual assessment”. Would you further explain?

******** The board lists out our budget for 2014 and states clearly that the special assessment is to cover the monthly costs of the management company during the 2014 fiscal year.

4. You wrote “There was no vote on spending all the reserves last year and no vote on allowing the board to hire a third party management company. - and “The lazy board simply does not want to do the work.”

It seems to me that the Board had "the right” to hire a Manager. Somewhere in your Documents there should be something like:

“The Board of Trustees may employ the services of a manager in order to perform the duties imposed upon it, and may pay such compensation as it determines. The Board may delegate such administrative and ministerial duties as it determines".

****** In 30 years we have never had a third party management company because we only have a 1 acre field of grass and no other amenities.
****** We have never had a code of regulations, only our articles of incorporation, until the board adopted these at a meeting where they did not announce we were voting on new rules and only 2 people showed up. I do not believe these code of regulations would even hold up in a court of law since we did not vote these rules in properly but they were adopted by a sneaky board.

5. You wrote that the board members last June announced they were spending every penny in our reserves to pay for a third party management company and would figure out how to pay for it at a later date.

Apparently hiring the Management Company was done mid-year. And in order to find the money – they borrowed from Reserves. Not the best – but Reserves can typically be borrowed for a short period of time, and then replaced. And, in order to pay back the borrowed Reserve Funds, a Special Assessment was necessary.

OK, what was done was done. And since the Special Assessment was needed to pay back what was borrowed, a Member/Owner Vote, may or may not have been required.

In any case, as I see it, there was only one possible outcome – a “yes” vote for the Special Assessment to replace the funds borrowed.

****** Ohio Revised Code requires the board to set a budget that allows some money to be saved in reserve.
****** Ohio Revised Code states that the board cannot charge any assessments unless there are articles that allow this.

6. Obviously going forward, the cost of the Management Company needs to be included in the Annual Budget. If this required raising the Regular Assessment Fee by more than 5% - then again, as I see it, there could only be a “yes” vote to approve the Budget.

****** Agreed, and that is my biggest AND BIGEST argument here is the fact that we did not properly vote for this. Had we voted this in properly then tough luck if I didn't like what the majority wants, but our board is shady and not respecting our rights as home owners.

7. Is everything now running smoothly?

If it is, why not just suggest to the Board, that in the future they adhere to the Documents re “providing written notice” of upcoming Meetings, including listing any specific items that require a Member/Owner vote?

****** If you are asking if things with the management company are making things better, I would say no. We still have one person past due who they have put a lien on, but other than that I don't see any difference with the management company.

8. Is it possible that providing written “Notice of Member/Owner Meetings and the Agenda”, and preparing Proxies, properly worded, is one of the tasks that the Board will be asking, and paying, the Management Company to do, help with?

****** We had a meeting in July last year after I went door to door getting people together about this who third party management company. For the first time EVER last July we were given a notice that a vote for a board position would be up for vote and we were sent a proxy and given the opportunity for the first time ever to send someone in our proxy to vote. This meeting 5 months later (Second week of January) we were NOT sent a notice of a vote and we were NOT sent a proxy and this was prepared and sent out by the third party management company.
****** I believe the board purposely and willfully did not tell people there would be a vote.
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Ellie, to clarify my first answers the assessment this year AND last year were $130. There was no special assessment last year but this year the special assessment is $100
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
5312.06 Powers of owner's association.

(A) Unless otherwise provided in the declaration or bylaws, the owners association, through its board of directors, shall do both of the following:

(1) Annually adopt and amend an estimated budget for revenues and expenditures. Any budget shall include reserves in an amount adequate to repair and replace major capital items in the normal course of operations without the necessity of special assessments, unless the owners, exercising not less than a majority of the voting power of the owners association, waive the reserve requirement annually.

(2) Collect assessments for common expenses from owners in accordance with section 5312.10 of the Revised Code.

(B) Commencing not later than the time of the first conveyance of a lot to a person other than a declarant, the owners association shall maintain all of the following to the extent reasonably available and applicable:

(1) Property insurance on the common elements;

(2) Liability insurance pertaining to the common elements;

(3) Directors and officers liability insurance.

(C) The owners association shall keep all of the following:

(1) Correct and complete books and records of account that specify the receipts and expenditures relating to the common elements and other common receipts and expenses;

(2) Records showing the collection of the common expenses from the owners;

(3) Minutes of the meetings of the association and the board of directors;

(4) Records of the names and addresses of the owners.

(D) An owners association, through its board of directors, may do any of the following:

(1) Hire and fire managing agents, attorneys, accountants, and other independent professionals and employees that the board determines are necessary or desirable in the management of the property and the association;

(2) Commence, defend, intervene in, settle, or compromise any civil, criminal, or administrative action or proceeding that is in the name of, or threatened against, the association, the board of directors, or the property, or that involves two or more owners and relates to matters affecting the property;

(3) Enter into contracts and incur liabilities relating to the operation of the property;

(4) Enforce all provisions of the declaration, bylaws, covenants, conditions, restrictions, and articles of incorporation governing the lots, common elements, and limited common elements;

(5) Adopt and enforce rules that regulate the maintenance, repair, replacement, modification, and appearance of common elements, and any other rules as the declaration provides;

(6) Acquire, encumber, and convey or otherwise transfer real and personal property, subject to section 5312.10 of the Revised Code;

(7) Hold in the name of the owners association the real property and personal property;

(8) Grant easements, leases, licenses, and concessions through or over the common elements;

(9) Levy and collect fees or other charges for the use, rental, or operation of the common elements or for services provided to owners;

(10) Pursuant to section 5312.11 of the Revised Code, levy the following charges and assessments:

(a) Interest and charges for the late payment of assessments;

(b) Returned check charges;

(c) Enforcement assessments for violations of the declaration, the bylaws, and the rules of the owners association;

(d) Charges for damage to the common elements or other property.

(11) Adopt and amend rules that regulate the collection of delinquent assessments and the application of payments of delinquent assessments;

(12) Impose reasonable charges for preparing, recording, or copying the declaration, bylaws, amendments to the declaration and bylaws, resale certificates, or statements of unpaid assessments;

(13) Authorize entry to any portion of the planned community by designated individuals when conditions exist that involve an imminent risk of damage or harm to common elements, another dwelling unit, or to the health or safety of the occupants of that dwelling unit or another dwelling unit;

(14) Subject to division (A)(1) of section 5312.09 of the Revised Code, borrow money and assign the right to common assessments or other future income to a lender as security for a loan to the owners association;

(15) Suspend the voting privileges and use of recreational facilities of an owner who is delinquent in the payment of assessments for more than thirty days;

(16) Purchase insurance and fidelity bonds the directors consider appropriate and necessary;

(17) Invest excess funds in investments that meet standards for fiduciary investments under the laws of this state;

(18) Exercise powers that are any of the following:

(a) Conferred by the declaration or bylaws;

(b) Necessary to incorporate the owners association as a nonprofit corporation;

(c) Permitted to be exercised in this state by a nonprofit corporation;

(d) Necessary and proper for the government and operation of the owners association.

Added by 128th General AssemblyFile No.41,SB 187, §1, eff. 9/10/2010.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
ChrisA13 (New Jersey)
Posts: 120
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Posted By MarkC18 on 01/31/2014 6:28 PM
The anger I have is that (1) the board wants to control everyone but (2) They don't want to do any of the work so (3) they have hired a third party management company without asking for a vote by the community and (4) to pay for this management company they held a secret vote while (5) the CC&R and Articles of Incorporation state that the board cannot raise the budget/dues/annual assessment more than 5% without a 2/3 vote of approval by those voting in person or in proxy at a meeting duly called for the purpose of voting for this increase and (6) the board didn't give a notice of ANY vote so people who could not attend the meeting would have someone go and vote in their proxy and (7) the board NEVER gives a notice of votes as required.

SEE WHY I AM PISSED? Our board is shady and I need to find an attorney and sue the board members personally for fraud because they know the rules but are running the show how they want. Anyone in Columbus, OH who can help would be appreciated.

Be pissed. They are liars. You have an absolute right to be pissed. They are breaching a contract! Stay on them. Keep fighting. Don't let anyone even attempt to discourage you from protecting your rights and your property. And believe me, they will try. But if you don't, you can awake one day to find you have been "Madoffed." Don't wait that long!

And yes..it's challenging at first, but I would learn how to file a complaint in your state's court and take the case to the Chancery Division (if you have one in your state) to seek relief from these actions. You seem to have a grasp of the contract, the contract is binding, the terms are written. You can seek injunctions against these parties to stop acting/act in a certain way. And if you seek financial compensation, you would have to file a derivative claim on behalf of everyone and what you won would be a share of that. But if you are just looking to get control back, start there and see if your judges will find in your favor.

I'm from NJ. This state is way too corrupt and the judges are in bed with the lawyers. I have no chance, but I have to go through the process until I reach the federal level -- which will be eventually.

But nonetheless, take it the courts. Get it on record. Maybe your COA/HOA's lawyer has ethics (hahaha!) and will advise the board to start acting in accordance to the rules as required.

Again, never let fools discourage you from fighting for your property. The same people guiding you to "let it go" are the first ones that would scream if a dime was taken out of their pocket. Hypocrites are not worth your time. You have rights, fight for them.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mike, meet Chris. Chris, meet Mike.
MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Well, I finally won my court case! The bottom line is the board is required to send a notice for a duly called meeting of a vote and they are not allowed to not tell anyone their will be a vote and then hold a vote. People have the right to know there will be a vote. The boards second plan of action of claiming because the code of regulation was added with wording that states the board has a right to demand special assessments also failed. There was a clear conflict between the articles of incorporation and the code of regulation and the code of regulation SHALL PREVEIL! Not the board trustees is attempting to propose a new articles of incorporation and code of regulation. I have sent the board a notice of a demand to hold a revote for two trustee positions. I had refused to pay the special assessment they were not entitled to collect and in turn they had refused to let me and other homeowners vote or run for the office of trustee because of this. Now 2 of the 3 board members are not legally considered board members because of the fraudulent way in which the election was held. I have sent my notice to let them know that they also cannot simply hold a vote for the two trustees at the same meeting when they want to vote for the new articles and code of regulation. The reason for this demand is the fact that only the trustees may call a meeting for the purpose of voting for the proposed change. If the same trustees are re-elected they would then have the option to call for a meeting to vote on the proposed changes, but they would be require to give a minimum of a 7 day notice and maximum of a 60 day notice. I will update you guys once this next battle is done. The bottom line is people are becoming more aware of the evils of homeowner's associations. Being part of an HOA reduces the value in our homes because less people are interested in buying a home that belongs to a homeowner's association. Another property me and my spouse purchased recently had the HOA dissolved. I had told the realtor that we would not be interested in purchasing any home that belonged to an HOA. In 1 year our home value increased from $186,000 to $366,000 according to Zillow estimates. I can't say enough how much I hate homeowner associations!
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Thanks for the update. Good luck!
JamesO6 (Florida)
Posts: 170
Posted:
By all means do look up the recorded deed restriction on your lot go to Franklin county recorders office and look up your deed, write that down and review the deed restriction usually on first or second page. If the developer placed the wrong deed restriction on your property, they'll just claim well that was a technical error someone just placed a wrong deed restriction and carry on.

Now if that happened now look at your neighbors deed restrictions, if they all wrong or even just 1 section of the community you might be in a HOA community but not in it.

Just don't go by some company or person saying your in a HOA, so many things that could go wrong can go wrong making and enacting a HOA.

Some times deed restrictions states one deed restriction but you have to check the one listed on your deed and follow the path of ownership of the land.

Hard to enforce a HOA deed restriction that just list's the sellers of the land to the developer. One error might be something a judge will cite, but an entire section hardly. Deed restrictions follows the previous one, HOA can't cite a existing HOA deed restriction placed after the one on your House Deed.

Unless they can produce a document you signed up and acknowledged your in their HOA. If they can't they'll send nasty letters citing a ORC article and ask you by voluntary joining our society our community will be better. OBTW sign here to acknowledge your in our HOA.
JamesO6 (Florida)
Posts: 170
Posted:
Wait yes they can, if a new developer buys up new sections of land around your community, they can cite their HOA deed restriction and feed you a line and ask in a strongly worded letter to voluntary join their HOA.
JamesO6 (Florida)
Posts: 170
Posted:
HOA's can get dissolved, unless the city agrees to pay for the street repairs and lighting repairs, sewage repair and take over all the HOA common grounds and structures.

City's can come back on all the lot owners in the HOA community for tax's on the common grounds and cost for repairs.

Developers made a contract with the city for the HOA to assume all liability of the roads and common grounds. that is also unless the HOA covenants was at it's expiration date and the HOA was dissolved during that time, then the city has no choice but to declare your community HOA free and now public.
CyrstalB (Maryland)
Posts: 457
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkC18 on 02/01/2014 10:41 AM
MelissaP1, you are ignorant. It doesn't matter what justification someone has for doing something YOU STILL CANNOT GO AGAINST THE BYLAWS AND ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION! If you are having another boring meeting to talk about the only thing we have, a 1 acre field of grass, then I am not coming. If you want to have a vote then I don't give a damn if you want to tell me there is a vote or not, THAT IS YOUR JOB to tell me there is a vote. This is NOT up for discussion. If you don't duly call a meeting for the specific purpose of VOTING ON AN INCREASE then you cannot have a vote for an increase. PERIOD!

Home Owner Associations are annoying and should be either regulated by the government or made illegal. Personally I want our HOA to be destroyed and be done with it.

Oh, but not as annoying as individuals like yourself who defends their ignorance of HOA's with just more ignorance. Sucks to hear the truth doesn't it?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Crystal,

Mark apparently isn't that ignorant nor, from my reading, is he defending his Association.

He attempted to resolve the issue internally but that attempt failed. Therefore, he exercised his option to bring the issue before the courts for a ruling. Per Marks, update, he won the legal challenge he brought against the Association. Therefore, he apparently has a better understanding of his governing documents than those serving on his Board does.

Mark,

Will you now be willing to serve on the Board to make sure this doesn't happen again in the future?

JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
Subject: Articles of Incorporation PREVAILS over Bylaws or CC&R


NOPE

CCRs over Articles over By-laws

MarkC18 (Ohio)
Posts: 28
Posted:
I attempted to run for trustee the week before the court hearing so we could hopefully resolve their illegal actions without legal action. Unfortunately the board blocked me from running or even voting because I was past due. Of course now the issue, which I brought up to the board as they refused to let me and other people vote or run for office, is the money they were calling past due was not even legally due so the 2 of 3 trustee positions were not voted in through a legal method. I am now demanding a re-vote for these two trustee positions because of the voting fraud. Any decision they make or any vote they introduce other than a re-vote will be up for challenge because they are not legally board members. If they hold this re-vote I have already told them I will run against them. If they do not hold this re-vote, I will challenge the vote they hold for a new articles of incorporation and code of regulation they are going to introduce for a vote in December. Additionally, if they do not hold a re-vote I am considering personal legal action against the board members past and present for fraud. Hopefully they do the right thing because I don't want to go to court any more than they do; but I will not allow them to violate my rights.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarkC18 on 11/15/2014 5:33 AM

Being part of an HOA reduces the value in our homes because less people are interested in buying a home that belongs to a homeowner's association.


There are many on this forum who insist that associations improve home values. I have yet to see anyone offer up any sort of proof.

The last time my wife and I went house hunting, we identified three deal-killers at the outset: homes on a corner lot; homes with a swimming pool; and homes in an HOA. To me and around 80% of Americans, whatever possible benefits an HOA may provide are not worth the potential hassles of having your neighbors declaring war over paint colors, mailboxes, basketball hoops, and when you set out the garbage cans. Therefore, a home in an HOA has no value to the vast majority of home buyers.

The home we bought and reside in is located mid-block, has no pool, and no HOA.

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