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DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Hey there everyone,
Rather than resign after eight years as President, potentially leaving our Association in the hands of morons, I'm thinking about a different approach altogether. I'm thinking about having an open house, calling it, "Inside [insert name of HOA]." What I envision is having out and accessible all the governing documents, the account book, all the records from the beginning, the various journals, state codes, even this site up and at the ready we use, the mailing procedures, etc.

We also have a binder of the Covenant Violations we've had to enforce in the time I've been President, of which there are only nine, two of which have separate folders. Prior to this we have only two covenant violations on record, both for former residents, which are in the files from that year. I know homeowners have the right to see all the association's records. How does this address information about other homeowners? I know the violator has the right to accessing his/her own file, but what would be the best way to provide details and real examples of how a covenant violation is handled?

My purpose in this enterprise is two-fold: in an ideal world, someone will become interested now knowing the inside scoop of HOA management and wish to serve on the Board or a committee. Or, just knowing the how, the what, and the why of the Board's function may open their minds and hearts into paying closer attention to what's going on in the neighborhood.

Thanks so much!

Dorothy
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sounds interesting. Make sure that you go through the files to protect the privacy of those you need to protect the privacy of.

We simply put all of our governing documents (CC&Rs, Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws and Resolutions) and all of our minutes (in a members only area), all newsletters and audits on our website. This allows any member to have access to everything except the actual bank statements and members accounts. However, every set of minutes has a Treasurers report which includes an Income/Expense Statement and budget (adopted, actual, difference) along with an accounting of how many accounts are x days behind.

The difference between the two methods as I see it would be the human interaction which allows for immediate Q&A.

Good luck and let us know how it works out.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Tim,
Ah, well we don't have a web site. We just have our e-mail list serve. We have forty-two homes, a small park, no pool, or tennis courts, or community building or office. Therefore, all the records of the association are held by the President and the Treasurer. We hold our Annual Meetings in the community room at the firehouse. We just had our Annual Meeting last week and this week I made 42 Governing Documents Folders, to be delivered shortly. So, soon everyone will at least have the same thing at the same time.

Here is what Washington State's Chapter 64.38 RCW, Homeowners Associations says: (2) All records of the association, including the names and addresses of owners and other occupants of the lots, shall be available for examination by all owners, holder of mortgages on the lots and their respective authorized agents on reasonable advance notice during normal working hours at the offices of the association or its managing agent. The association may not release the unlisted phone number of any owner. The association my impose and collect a reasonable charge for copies and any reasonable costs incurred by the association in providing access to records."

"All records." ALL records? Is nothing confidential? I'm inclined to address the Covenant Violation binder and two folders, explain the contents in general, just so they can get the idea of what it would look like if they someday found themselves in violation. I just don't want to have to provide names, but am unsure of this RCW's "intent.

I probably won't do this until the spring, when people are much more open and in blooming spirits!

Dorothy
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Well if that is what Washington State's Chapter 64.38 says then that is what you need to comply with.

However, it also says that all records would be made available upon request. If the request isn't made, there is no requirement for the Association to make them available.

I would say that in addition the the Associations general files, if you would like to look at your individual assessment account and/or your individual Architectural file then those will also be available. I wouldn't even mention that they have a right to see others. If you do this, it's likely no one will question the issue.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Tim,
As always, excellent, reasoned advice. When I have the Open House, I'll share it with all of you you here. Until then, GO SEAHAWKS!!!

Dorothy
MissyP (Alabama)
Posts: 63
Posted:
I put this advice in another post here as well. However, I also think it applies here in your situation. My first thought was why was any of this hidden in the first place? We always brought our financial statements to our board meetings. The only thing off limits was the collection reports. Those ONLY went to the board members. We discussed it openly but never referred to names of owners. It was just lot #'s. (yes people could guess who the person was but we did not confirm/deny it). The ONLY information the membership needed from this was that we were pursuing collections on the delinquent accounts and what those actions were. We had an established 6 months behind we liened policy in place. So the report basically just stated the status of the lien, if we were close to liening, if they had made payment arrangements, or we were ready to discuss foreclosure proceedings. As long as we showed we were following policy and pursuing debt, that was good enough than revealing personal information.

Remember the rules like CC&R's and Articles of Incorporation are considered PUBLIC information. They do NOT need to be provided by the HOA. If the HOA does this, they may charge for copy fees or do it as a "courtesy". It is NOT their responsibility to provide. The by-laws are internal documents of the HOA that may need distribution. In any case, it's just good practice to ALWAYS bring a copy to the meetings you hold and reference them when need be. When giving official notices one should always quote the section of violation or issue.

This is best advice I ever got as President is: The money is EVERY MEMBER's money NOT yours!!!. It was the best way to view my HOA's budget. It is VERY hard as a BOD or officer position give up control or trust to the general membership. You want to hold on tight and protect your HOA's money. There is always someone who wants something crazy to do with the money that would make no financial sense at all. However, they are a squeaky wheel about it and it's hard to turn them down. Sometimes getting others to join their ridiculous ideas.

The HOA budget is like setting out your checkbook on the dining room table for your whole family to see and make decisions about how to spend. The parents the BOD members and the kids the general membership. Your going to get an "x-box" every once and awhile and a spouse that spends the money behind your back. It's your job as the head of household to manage. It's all written in the check ledger and your job is then to explain to the family what happened.

You take the approach of the "open checkbook" on the table, you will find yourself being more productive and pro-active. Hiding and holding things close to your vest isn't protecting your HOA or building trust. What does is being honest, open, and letting people in to see the reasons behind each decision. Your on the right track of doing so with an open house. Just don't go overboard like revealing the past violations details. Just show the facts and what steps the HOA were allowed in pursuing correcting the situation.

JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
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Posted By DorothyO on 01/28/2014 4:16 PM
Hey there everyone,
Rather than resign after eight years as President, potentially leaving our Association in the hands of morons, I'm thinking about a different approach altogether. I'm thinking about having an open house, calling it, "Inside [insert name of HOA]." What I envision is having out and accessible all the governing documents, the account book, all the records from the beginning, the various journals, state codes, even this site up and at the ready we use, the mailing procedures, etc.

We also have a binder of the Covenant Violations we've had to enforce in the time I've been President, of which there are only nine, two of which have separate folders. Prior to this we have only two covenant violations on record, both for former residents, which are in the files from that year. I know homeowners have the right to see all the association's records. How does this address information about other homeowners? I know the violator has the right to accessing his/her own file, but what would be the best way to provide details and real examples of how a covenant violation is handled?

My purpose in this enterprise is two-fold: in an ideal world, someone will become interested now knowing the inside scoop of HOA management and wish to serve on the Board or a committee. Or, just knowing the how, the what, and the why of the Board's function may open their minds and hearts into paying closer attention to what's going on in the neighborhood.

Thanks so much!

Dorothy

If you want to try a different approach altogether, a major change in your attitude will go further than showing a few records. If you feel that your leaving your amazing and fantastical performance in the hands of potential morons, then that is what you will get.

Maybe your attitude should be: what neighbor has shown real concern for the HOA as a whole? Who asked or offered enlightening thoughts or ideas? Out of all of my neighbors, who makes a conscientious effort to not call their neighbors names or spreads gossip? Who has show leadership when meetings got a little tough?

Your goal should be to lift people up to job, not assume that everyone is a potential moron. If you see that people can do it, then you will find people to do it.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Mmmm. . . first, to my Maryland colleague, perhaps I should have used the singular "moron," as it is only one moron who wishes to be President, naturally the one with the thickest file for everything from covenant violations to bullying tactics when he doesn't get his way. When we needed a Vice President he heeded the call and volunteered for, wait for it, President! He didn't want to "serve" the community. It is his bottomless desire to have me out of the position so I would, for God's sake, stop enforcing these pesky covenants!! Then there is my former Treasurer, who was on the Governing Documents Review Committee with me, insisting the Bylaws he was referring to to prove a point were the ones we amended, until I had to get up, show him our recorded copy, and see the one he was referring to was the DRAFT started by the former President nine years ago! Good grief! And this guy was on the committee!!! So, he complained about not having the recent docs. I reminded him and my former VP who was also at the meeting, that every year since I have been President I have wanted to provide all our 42 homeowners with a Governing Documents Folder, so everyone would have the same thing at the same time. And while they could as easily "not find" these the way they can never find their originals that came with their house, I will at least know that they actually do have these. But I have been voted down each and every time, including by him. Now he's screaming, "Everyone should have the most recent documents!!" Well, duh! Other than that, I am surrounded by good, thoughtful, competent, caring people who are just grateful to have their neighborhood so well-managed that they don't want that to change. Alas, competency breeds complacency, yes?

Every year we beseech everyone to come talk to any officer about the position, to learn about it, to understand what they would need to to do should they wish to serve. Every year no one wishes to change the good thing we've got going. There is not a feeling that anything is hidden. Most people probably think I have our governing documents attached to my hip. I always have them at our meetings. I am always referring to them and highlighting the pertinent Article when an issue arises. Our budget is small and one page and everyone gets a copy. Any big project gets vetted and explained.

You suggested I consider, "What neighbor has shown real concern for the HOA as a whole? Who asked or offered enlightening thoughts or ideas? Out of all of my neighbors, who makes a conscientious effort to not call their neighbors names or spreads gossip? Who has show leadership when meetings got a little tough?" The answers are: My neighbors don't understand the HOA as a whole, just as a vessel to create a wonderful community in which they live. They understand it piece meal, as in can't have a shed, gotta trim the park trees, the light is out on Street X, etc. Hence, my desire to show them the HOA as a whole with an Open House. The folks who have offered enlightening thoughts or ideas are precisely not interested in holding a position. They want to give their ideas to the people in charge. Other than the aforementioned, there are two or three neighbors who spread their negativity about, but 95% of my neighbors are wonderful, respectful, kind, and caring people, who would make excellent officers, except, like most people, they are seriously conflict adverse, and can't cotton to the idea of confronting a neighbor for a covenant violation. And related to that, when the annual meeting gets rough because of the, again, aforementioned, and his cohorts in the back row, my lovely neighbors clam up. They know I will handle it with grace and professionalism. Later, after the meeting, they will contact me individually, express their sympathy and dismay, and thank me for handling it so well. What I say to them is this: "This is not about anyone disrespecting me. This is about disrespecting the neighborhood. Somebody other than a Board member needs to publicly tell Mr.X that he is out-of-line, that his behavior is not helpful to our community, and that his personal agenda is not relevant in a common interest community." My neighborhood is full of doctors, teachers, CEO's, a famous children's author, talented, creative, highly skilled people -- who do not want to have their refuge potentially compromised by being a "leader" of their neighbors.

Understanding all this is why I came up with the idea of the Open House. The best outcome would be the process of running the association being demystified, and seen as similar to running an organization, which many of them already do, and a volunteer emerges. However, it's not the competency or interest that is lacking in my neighbors. I know people have the "skills" to do the job. But it's not just skills now is it? I believe the chronic reticence comes from our singular, molecular desire to avoid conflict at all costs. However, if more people can see what it is we do to manage their neighborhood, to protect their interests, then maybe, just maybe, they will have a more resonant understanding of the need for a cohesive community effort in stopping the bullies and naysayers.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By DorothyO on 01/29/2014 9:43 AM

every year since I have been President I have wanted to provide all our 42 homeowners with a Governing Documents Folder, so everyone would have the same thing at the same time.

Rather than a folder, we actually have the documents printed an bound.

There have been enough changes to our documents that it is time to republish our "book of governing documents" for all the members. This seems to be done about every 8-10 years.

We organize the documents in order of precedence. Add a cover page and a table of contents. We then have them printed and bound at a copy center (Kinkos/Fedex, Staples, Office Depot, etc.). We will place a mailing label on each book and time it so we can hand them out to the members at the annual meeting (as this saves on postage). We then mail the remaining books to the members who didn't attend.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By TimB4 on 01/29/2014 3:43 PM

Rather than a folder, we actually have the documents printed an bound.

err, printed and bound.
BanksS
Posts: 403
Posted:
Dorothy,

I think providing copies of the most updated documents to be an excellent idea. An Open House is certainly one way of distributing the documents.

I would be cautious about naming individual homeowners for any reason unless it is complimentary. If you want to create a climate of volunteerism and service this is probably not the way to go about it. Calling your neighbors morons and complacent probably isn't the best way to recruit participation either.

As I read your lengthy post and your terminology of MY vice president and MY treasurer, I wonder if you have become so involved in the presidency that you have lost some of your objectivity and perspective. Maybe your vision of what the community is or should be is just that. Your personal vision.

I don't know you at all but you come across as a control freak of sorts and maybe a perfectionist. Am I right? That is not reality when you live in a community of individuals. You have to learn to let some of that go.

My advice is to go ahead and hold your Open House. Hand out the most current documents. Keep things positive.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:

The law says protect the phone numbers. Good idea.

Regarding covenant violations....if the violations were brought into compliance, then there's no violation ongoing and, therefore, it's no longer part of active HOA business.

Regarding account books and governing documents....those are excellent to open as an antidote to incompetence.

Go for it!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By BanksS on 01/29/2014 4:42 PM
Dorothy,

I think providing copies of the most updated documents to be an excellent idea. An Open House is certainly one way of distributing the documents.

I would be cautious about naming individual homeowners for any reason unless it is complimentary. If you want to create a climate of volunteerism and service this is probably not the way to go about it. Calling your neighbors morons and complacent probably isn't the best way to recruit participation either.

As I read your lengthy post and your terminology of MY vice president and MY treasurer, I wonder if you have become so involved in the presidency that you have lost some of your objectivity and perspective. Maybe your vision of what the community is or should be is just that. Your personal vision.

I don't know you at all but you come across as a control freak of sorts and maybe a perfectionist. Am I right? That is not reality when you live in a community of individuals. You have to learn to let some of that go.

My advice is to go ahead and hold your Open House. Hand out the most current documents. Keep things positive.

Well said.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
So, BanksS, out of 911 words you focus on the two times I used the word "my" in reference to "my" fellow Board member. Either you believe I would actually call a neighbor a moron in public, which "probably isn't the best way to recruit participation either," or you don't believe in calling anyone a name, privately or publicly, yet you then call me a "control freak," which is usually considered an insult. I view the word complacent in the same vein as the word apathy, and if there is one word we as HOA volunteers have in common is "apathy." Anyway, I guess you just missed the other few hundred words praising the 95% of my community and neighbors as kind, caring, intelligent, creative people, the majority of with whom I and the Board have a good relationship. You apparently also missed the five times I used the word "we" or "our" in talking about the Board and the Association. No, you don't know me. Before I was President, there were no welcome gifts for new homeowners, there were no cheerful newsletters, there were no standards for appeals, there were no holiday gatherings, there were no Minutes for Board meetings, and on and on. So, yes, I am a perfectionist and yes, I do resonate more to control than chaos. And most of the time these tendencies of mine are consistently challenged precisely because I fully understand what "common interest community" means. It means you give up some of your control. It means you give up some of your perfect construction of a world. Pete Seeger was asked if he really was a Pollyana. He said, "Well, every night when I go to bed, I say, 'Aw, the hell with it.' Then I wake up the next morning and start all over again." THAT'S positive. THAT's what I do when I've spent a day or a week dealing with a MORON!
BanksS
Posts: 403
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Posted By DorothyO on 01/29/2014 5:55 PM
So, BanksS, out of 911 words you focus on the two times I used the word "my" in reference to "my" fellow Board member. Either you believe I would actually call a neighbor a moron in public, which "probably isn't the best way to recruit participation either," or you don't believe in calling anyone a name, privately or publicly, yet you then call me a "control freak," which is usually considered an insult. I view the word complacent in the same vein as the word apathy, and if there is one word we as HOA volunteers have in common is "apathy." Anyway, I guess you just missed the other few hundred words praising the 95% of my community and neighbors as kind, caring, intelligent, creative people, the majority of with whom I and the Board have a good relationship. You apparently also missed the five times I used the word "we" or "our" in talking about the Board and the Association. No, you don't know me. Before I was President, there were no welcome gifts for new homeowners, there were no cheerful newsletters, there were no standards for appeals, there were no holiday gatherings, there were no Minutes for Board meetings, and on and on. So, yes, I am a perfectionist and yes, I do resonate more to control than chaos. And most of the time these tendencies of mine are consistently challenged precisely because I fully understand what "common interest community" means. It means you give up some of your control. It means you give up some of your perfect construction of a world. Pete Seeger was asked if he really was a Pollyana. He said, "Well, every night when I go to bed, I say, 'Aw, the hell with it.' Then I wake up the next morning and start all over again." THAT'S positive. THAT's what I do when I've spent a day or a week dealing with a MORON!

Not necessary to get so defensive. I'm sorry the control freak comment obviously offended you. It was meant as constructive criticism for you to take an objective look at your own attitudes and what it is that you wish to accomplish. It doesn't appear that anyone in your community will meet your expectations and you need to let that go. That was the point I was trying to make.
JdB1 (California)
Posts: 1
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Dorothy, I feel your pain. It's okay to use "my", it implies possession, which you do, in fact, have. The temporary, voluntary, -possession- and subsequent fiduciary responsibility of your association. If using "my" helps justify this Sisyphean task, so be it. If you've been voted in every year (I am assuming a quorum is necessary to have an election), the the membership gave it to you.

My two cents.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
I wasn't offended by anything you said BanksS. I've been President of an HOA for eight years, I'm Irish, I'm from Baltimore, and I'm a woman. It takes a lot more than that to offend me! What I found worth commenting on was your comment on calling people names and you calling me a control freak, which MOST people would take as an insult. I don't, because there is a difference between a control freak and someone who understands control. What struck me as interesting was your own interpretation of what I said. I also never said no one in my neighborhood meets my expectations. In fact, again, most people in my neighborhood DO meet my expectations as leaders, since in their lives they already are. They just don't want to, because of that one nagging detail of not wanting to confront a neighbor. Our home and our work are two very different animals, which we navigate with different skills and mindset. What I am hoping for is that the Open House will inspire the leaders among us to step up and say, "I want to do this," which means I can step down. And, yep, I have been voted in every year, which speaks to the "competency breeds complacency." Their complacency is not a negative complacency. It is a positive complacency due to the generosity of their trust and satisfaction with the way things are being managed. Trust me, my neighbors are happy and content and know they do not have to worry about their property values eroding or the quality of life in such a special neighborhood being compromised. This past summer we had four houses for sale, all in the $300,000+ range. All four sold in two hours, two days, two weeks and two months. This is a coveted neighborhood and we all understand why. We have only a VP and Treasurer. It's just us three, plus a three-member ARC, running the whole show, and we all work really well together. Everything is discussed, everything is voted on, and nothing gets done unless there is a consensus among the Board. Sometimes it goes my way. Sometimes it doesn't. But the buck always stops with the President.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I was President for 3 years or so. What I found is my interest in the HOA is NOT the same interest others have in the HOA. Most only peak an interest when something effects them. Which is probably the reason you became President.

I found that in a well run HOA with a BOD and officers members can trust, most members do not see the need to participate. You may have done such a good job, that your members have the attitude of why do you need me? So offering an "Open house" may still bring little or no visitors. It does not mean non interest but no want or desire to know.

My opinion if you are NOT already providing this information at your meetings already then what are you doing at your meetings? Your list is everything we had at our meetings each time. The HOA is NOT responsible for passing out rule documentation. That can be expensive. It can be requested and provided for copy costs but NOT required. I always brought a copy each meeting. Our whole meeting was based on our collection and spending reports. The collections portion for BOD members ONLY.

Every meeting should be an open house. You do not have to cover it all. Keep to the meeting structure. However, if someone wants to see something at the meeting let them After business is done then have an open discussion period and review.

Just keep in mind you live and breath the HOA as President. The HOA members just live in the HOA. Expect them to breath down your neck when their living is effected.

Former HOA President
BanksS
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Posted By DorothyO on 01/29/2014 10:41 PM
I wasn't offended by anything you said BanksS. I've been President of an HOA for eight years, I'm Irish, I'm from Baltimore, and I'm a woman. It takes a lot more than that to offend me! What I found worth commenting on was your comment on calling people names and you calling me a control freak, which MOST people would take as an insult. I don't, because there is a difference between a control freak and someone who understands control. What struck me as interesting was your own interpretation of what I said. I also never said no one in my neighborhood meets my expectations. In fact, again, most people in my neighborhood DO meet my expectations as leaders, since in their lives they already are. They just don't want to, because of that one nagging detail of not wanting to confront a neighbor. Our home and our work are two very different animals, which we navigate with different skills and mindset. What I am hoping for is that the Open House will inspire the leaders among us to step up and say, "I want to do this," which means I can step down. And, yep, I have been voted in every year, which speaks to the "competency breeds complacency." Their complacency is not a negative complacency. It is a positive complacency due to the generosity of their trust and satisfaction with the way things are being managed. Trust me, my neighbors are happy and content and know they do not have to worry about their property values eroding or the quality of life in such a special neighborhood being compromised. This past summer we had four houses for sale, all in the $300,000+ range. All four sold in two hours, two days, two weeks and two months. This is a coveted neighborhood and we all understand why. We have only a VP and Treasurer. It's just us three, plus a three-member ARC, running the whole show, and we all work really well together. Everything is discussed, everything is voted on, and nothing gets done unless there is a consensus among the Board. Sometimes it goes my way. Sometimes it doesn't. But the buck always stops with the President.

Unfortunately, written communication has its limitations. One's expression and tone of voice, and body language do not come across which can be vital to the communication. Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully and you too because you said you don't want to hand the job over to morons which struck a nerve.

My point was that no one will do the job as president as you did. Everyone is unique and brings their own talents and personality to the job. You have to except that and not stress about it. Hopefully a competent person will step up to the plate.

I'm with you Dorothy. I think your idea of an Open House is great. Good luck to you but GO BRONCOS!!

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
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Melissa, I suspect you are right about the no-shows at an Open House. But much in the way we offer an Autumn Pot-Luck, or a Summer Camp-Out in the park, it is another way to extend an opportunity to get to know the neighborhood. It is also a gesture for transparency for the problematic homeowners who cry "Police State!"

As for the HOA not being responsible for passing out rule documentation, I couldn't disagree more. After twenty years, with many of the original homeowners still here, these documents get buried. I agree that it is a big expense (it cost us @$140 for 45 copies), but it was the first time it was done en masse, and it surely won't be done again for who knows how long.

As for covering things at the meeting. What we cover at the meeting will no doubt have some reference to one of our governing documents, but not necessarily. Last year our meeting was a whopping thirty minutes. It was a quiet, uneventful year, thank you Jesus! This year's was an hour and half, and the governing documents were used and referenced quite a bit. In my mind, our one annual meeting a year is not an "Open House," in the sense I mean. Yes, there is always time for other business and open discussion. But in all the years I've been President, no one has ever used this to inquire about the governing documents. What we do get throughout the year are calls from people wanting to do something that start out like this, "I can't find my CC&R's, and I want to do. . . do I need to have the Residential Committee do a review?" Even though we changed the name to Architectural Review Committee (ARC) six years ago. And, I, of course, realize that it's always easier to call someone for an answer than to do the research yourself. So the GD's could be sitting right there by the phone and a person would still make the call. I take no responsibility for what a homeowner does after the GD's are in their possession. I am being proactive in covering the association's butt by making sure every homeowner has the relevant documents.

BanksS, I've taken your advice and am referring to the homeowners-formerly-known-as-morons, as "problematic." Thank you for working that out with me! And, even if the Seahawks lose, it is still an all Western Super Bowl which is nice, and if the Sea-turkeys weren't in it we'd be rooting for Denver. Who doesn't like Peyton Manning??
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
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Dorothy,

One of the easiest vehicles to get information cheaply to residents is a website. The overall costs are minimum and you don't have to print all sorts of copies for everyone.

I don't consider myself tech savoy, built a number of websites, some for HOA's. I have a total of 12 domains, or websites hosted for a total of $120 toatl for all 12. The website building software was $60 and I upgrade at the same price every two years.

All the relevant documents that a homeowner has the legal ability to view is on the websites, agendas, summary of financial reports, minutes (no executive), CCRs', Bylaws, Articles of Incorporation, Rules and Regulations, Newsletters, Insurance Declaration for lenders,the list could go on. I don't keep information behind a member-only, password protected wall, because people already have too many passwords to try and remember and the purpose is to make information available. I don't know of anyone or any association EVER hurt from disclosing their information.

You will always have individuals that you never please, no matter what. What providing information openly to members does is not allow that one individual to gather any support for his or her cause. Keep the information private and we all know the consequences of that.

One last thing. We just had a State of the Union Address on Tuesday. As HOA's are required annually to hold Annual Meetings which is generally presided over by the President of the association, this would be a great opportunity to give the members a chance to hear the good things the association did for its members during the past year and projects and savings they are working on in the future. Too many are, elect directors, appoint officers and have a nice evening, see you next year.
DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Richard,
I do like the idea of a website, and had no idea it could be done as inexpensively as you said. I wonder if I could communicate with you privately about the pros/cons, logistics, etc, of having an HOA website? I could present all the information to the association and get feedback.

As for our meetings, the good things that happened over the year take up the majority of the Agenda. Elections have never been a large part of the Agenda. Projects completed, projects anticipated, are usually the backbone of the meeting. And this, "What providing information openly to members does is not allow that one individual to gather any support for his or her cause," is crucial in my reasoning for having the Open House as well. It'll be telling to see if those who like to use misinformation (i.e., old Bylaws, misunderstanding of language, no knowledge of distributed Resolutions, records of communications on issues etc.) for their antagonistic cause will show up. Even if they don't show up, knowing the invitation went to everyone and knowing that everyone received the same Governing Document Folder at the same time will weaken any accusation publicly directed at the Board for selective and dictatorial governance. No, it won't stop a bully, but it may inspire others to take a stand against the chronic criticism. My hope is to have more voices heard publicly for what they support privately. If we have a public cohesiveness as a community then those who poison the well from which we all drink may no longer be able to spread the toxicity. Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but I do believe in the goodness of my neighbors. And they may just need the reassurance that they won't be the only person speaking out. The more non-Board members speak up in recognition of the great community in which we live, and it is great, the less power the problematic homeowner(s) wield. I believe this can only happen with consistent invitation to be a part of the association, which provides knowledge, which provides power and which provides courage. Amen.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
One bit of advice on web sites. Make them informational only. Informational means make it site that distributes/gives out information like BOD Minutes, copy of Docs, calendar of events, announcements, etc. Keep it upbeat. Be friendly. Make people want to live there. It is a sales brochure. Make it accessible to anyone to look at, owner or not. Make them think, man I want to live there.

Do not allow a discussion/chat section on the site as it could turn into a bytch and moan site.

Control it and it can be a useful tool. Do not control it and it can turn into a cudgel real fast.

DorothyO (Washington)
Posts: 293
Posted:
Excellent advice and utterly true.

Dorothy
JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
I have problematic people too. and wish you luck. I am considering a blog, instead of a website, We can list the Land Records, the county depository link, where they can print out all the governing documents, so we don't have to host a site for them, just direct them where to go to get them for free.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
I operate the website for our community. It's a Wordpress blog and contains meeting minutes and links like you suggest, JoK2. Easy to manage and doesn't require constant updating.

But do yourself a grand favor and place a disclaimer somewhere reminding home buyers, real estate agents and their attorneys to confirm the digital scans they find online, through your portal, with the actual hard copies on file at the courthouse (which are legally binding documents) IF they have serious questions about what they read or are seeking. Buyers who misread documents online OR missing pages that you don't know are missing from digital scans will cause minor headaches at times. But, 99.999999999 percent of the time, it's valuable input for residents and potential residents.

This happened on my website and an out-of-state buyer - buying to rent - was very angry that his sub-HOA had voted to eliminate shared exterior maintenance of a neighborhood of stand-alone townhomes and the digital scan didn't reflect it (because the sub-HOA didn't think to include that one piece of paper in its scan). However, it sat - plain as day - in the legitimately filed court papers governing the HOA operation and the buyer, nor his professional representatives, confirmed what they were reading with even a basic phone call. It was an honest mistake by the sub-HOA but pro blunder by the buyer's agents. The landlord didn't get quite the rental cash flow deal he thought he had uncovered.
JoK2 (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
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Posted By KellyM3 on 01/30/2014 8:44 PM
I operate the website for our community. It's a Wordpress blog and contains meeting minutes and links like you suggest, JoK2. Easy to manage and doesn't require constant updating.

But do yourself a grand favor and place a disclaimer somewhere reminding home buyers, real estate agents and their attorneys to confirm the digital scans they find online, through your portal, with the actual hard copies on file at the courthouse (which are legally binding documents) IF they have serious questions about what they read or are seeking. Buyers who misread documents online OR missing pages that you don't know are missing from digital scans will cause minor headaches at times. But, 99.999999999 percent of the time, it's valuable input for residents and potential residents.

This happened on my website and an out-of-state buyer - buying to rent - was very angry that his sub-HOA had voted to eliminate shared exterior maintenance of a neighborhood of stand-alone townhomes and the digital scan didn't reflect it (because the sub-HOA didn't think to include that one piece of paper in its scan). However, it sat - plain as day - in the legitimately filed court papers governing the HOA operation and the buyer, nor his professional representatives, confirmed what they were reading with even a basic phone call. It was an honest mistake by the sub-HOA but pro blunder by the buyer's agents. The landlord didn't get quite the rental cash flow deal he thought he had uncovered.

Got it KellyM3, thanks for the suggestion of a disclaimer, it sounds like an excellent idea and as well, confirming that a blog might do the trick!

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