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DonnaB1 (Missouri)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Our CC&R was written in 1985 and needs quite a bit of changes.
Can we make a completely new CC&R and have it filed with the county or do we have to put everything into amendments?
Donnab
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
My guess would be amendments. A new one would require 100% approval.
MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
Our Board recently tried to change the entire set of covenants...and since our bi-laws state majority..one vote...one lot..and the covenants stated majority vote...our board changed so much without a meeting..and barely got a majority vote...they did so many other things wrong with the process and the items they changed..that many of the property owners are in revolt mode...I would love to know if it takes a 100% o change the covenants rather than ammend..the state is Virginia
thanks
LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
Of course there may be a statement in your oringinal documents that state the duration of the documents like ours do---- We had a time frame of 25 years then every 10 years.....What we can't get anyone to agree on is the 2/3 or a majority for AMENDMENTS.........We are not restating them- only updating verbiage to bring it more into compliance with Florida State Statutes.........The BOD will not ask the Attorney for an opinion...they say we dont need one........hhhmmmmm LindaC
MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
Linda,
Ours had a 10 year renewal and they were written in 1974. The interesting item..twq members who each own 5 lots only want to pay 1 road fee for their attached lots...the new CCR removes them from the association...but they will still have to vote on anything to do with the CCR's..the other folks who own 2 adjoining lots is expected to 2...our Board will not hire an attorney...but they call the office and ask a question and "2 attorneys donanted their time"..never looked at CCR, bilaws, declaration..sub-division map..I pray we get a new board when we have our annual meeting...they gave so much power to the board and removed the 2 signatures on the check..and they have the power now to charge anything they want to for assessments...Yikes!! houses are going up for sale all over the place...
Maryn
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Donna:

What I would recommend:

Look through the documents and see what needs to be changed, deleted or added (some things came up since your HOA was formed). Maybe read through some more recent sets of documents to get an idea of what's being added nowadays.

Then, get a committee to draft amendments to your documents. This would include sections that are changed, added, or deleted. Once this is drafted and has been through a few revisions, send it to the HOA lawyer to get his/her advice on the changes, as well as anything that he/she thinks would be needed that's in addition to what the committee has proposed.

Finally, this goes to a vote of the folks. Remember, if your documents require a 75% approval of amendments, that means that you need 75% of your total membership voting yes. So, it's good for the Board to involve people early-on in the process, to get them behind the changes prior to coming to a vote. Also, have them vote on each amendment separately (you may want to have an option for them to vote yes on all, or to vote yes/no on each) in order to make sure that one change that people don't like, won't sabotage the whole effort.

Here is the process that I used at an HOA I used to manage:
1) Send out the proposed amendments with a letter notifiying the members that an election on amending the documents is coming; let them know the date, and if there are any requirements - either in your docs or state law regarding the option of requesting a secrecy ballot, when they need to respond by to request it, and how that process works.
2) Send out the ballots to the folks, request that they vote as soon as possible and return the ballots. It never hurts to send a pre-addressed, postage-paid envelope so they don't have to find an envelope, a stamp, and a pen to address the envelope.
3) Monitor the rate of returns, and get the board and/or a committee to go out periodically to solicit a response from those who have not responded. This is important, since the likelihood of a 75% return of ballots is not that high without extra effort.
4) Use an outside person - your manager, your lawyer, your accountant, or some other party, to receive the ballots and record them.

If possible, don't put a definitive date for returns on the ballots or other information, because it might take a while to get sufficient ballots back to pass your amendments.

Sorry that this is so long, but the process is long & involved...

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
DonnaB1 (Missouri)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Thank you all. great advice
JM thank you for the input
donnab

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