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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Who is the HOA? What does HOA stand for?

HOA stands for HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.

What does that mean?

That means ALL the homeowner's of the property have agreed to maintain in "Association" with eachother to maintain and operate the "Common Areas" to a set of agreed upon standards and regulations(By-laws and CC&R's) of the homeowners descretion.

ALL the homeowers have a SIGNED CONTRACT with each other that each one will obey these set rules or face consequences for failure to do so(Lien, fines, foreclosure). It was most likely attached to a PUD rider with your mortgage company and signed at your closing.

Many people are NOT aware of everything they are signing at a closing nor are the lawyers and realtors required by law to inform the buyer of the HOA rules. Legally, it is looked upon as the BUYER's RESPONSIBILITY to be informed.

The HOA's documentation should be on record at the local courthouse Records department. It should also have been passed on by the previous owner if possible but NOT required.

As matter of fact, the contract to agreeing to the terms of being in a HOA generally states: "I the (buyer) have been informed of the rules of the HOA and AGREE to the terms". This wording does not indicate the source of the buyer's information it simply states that the buyer agreed they were informed whether they were or not.

Most likely it was the Builder/Developer who FIRST put this association/corporation together. Some HOA's get turned over to the homeowner's to run or they continue to operate under the Builder/Developer until the Builder/Developer decide to move on.

The purpose for the Builder/Developer to form a HOA may vary some. For the most part, it is developed as a "Sales Tool". The concept is that the property is maintained uniformly so to look clean and nice for potential buyers. That is why a majority of HOA's are responsible for landscaping as their main responsibility. Outside appearance of the units/homes is usually a consideration with condo's and townhomes as well.

For legal purposes and control of the property, the HOA should be incorporated. It can be a non-profit or for-profit corporation. A for-profit one is usually for HOA's that are franchised and more than one in the area. A non-profit defines the majority of HOA's. This helps reduce the taxes for the most part. Typically, HOA's owned by the owners only stay non-profit.

Although NOT all HOA's are incorporated they may just have CC&R's, By-laws, Management Company, or Archetictual Control Committees (ACC). These rules are still enforceable. However, the HOA may not be considered "business/corporation" it may now be considered a true "Association". That means the homeowner's have agreed upon the rules and the terms of the contract but on a more "casual relationship".

Now, when asking "Who is the HOA responsible or can reported to?" You may now see the relationship with the HOA means you and your neighbors or possible Builder/Developer. There is no "They or Them". The responsibility of your HOA is the homeowners (your neighbors) themselves. The HOA is ONLY funded by the members and for the members.

The reason so many HOA's are run badly is because it is directly the result of non-interested owners. The true people who run the HOA are the owner's who either "Get it" and volunteer or ones that have "Control" issues.

Either way, none of them are educated, experienced, or know everything involving running a HOA. How many professional business people do you know intentionally move into a HOA to run it? Not many. The people running a HOA don't have ALL the answers. They are just everyday people who have an investment to protect just like everyone else in the HOA.

It is THOSE owner's who's wishes and ideas get forced upon the others. Why wouldn't it be? Generally, the people who have an interest in their property/HOA nominate themselves to be on the board or in an office position. There may be little oposition to them being voted in due to the lack of participation on the entire memberships behalf.

That is why your VOTE and everyone else's vote in the HOA is so important. You may think it doesn't matter but if you have 50 members and only 10 of those participate in the HOA, then the majority of the members has to deal with the ideas of those 10 people. Doesn't sound fair now does it?

That is why it is so important you keep your voting and participation level active.

Management companies are involved with some HOA's. Management companies are SUB-Contractors of the HOA. They are HIRED by either the Homeowner's or the Builder/Developer to handle the financial daily operations of the HOA. The homeowner's may choose this option as many are not educated nor have the time to monitor the everyday operations of their HOA. A larger HOA it is much easier to go with a Management Company versus a small HOA. The Builder/Developer hire one because they may have interest in one or are one themselves.

This should clear up some issues regarding what a HOA is and defining it. Understanding the set-up of a HOA and it's responsibilities, may allow you to understand why the HOA does some of the things it does. It is always up to the Homeowner's to change or amend the rules if they don't like living by them. It is a lengthy time consuming procedure, but the power is in the hands of the homeowner's.

Sometimes the simplest steps to take to change your HOA is at home and by your participation.

Former HOA President
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/02/2007 4:13 PM

realtors required by law to inform the buyer of the HOA rules.

The reason so many HOA's are run badly is because it is directly the result of non-interested owners.

Either way, none of them are educated, experienced, or know everything involving running a HOA. How many professional business people do you know intentionally move into a HOA to run it? Not many.

but if you have 50 members and only 10 of those participate in the HOA, then the majority of the members has to deal with the ideas of those 10 people. Doesn't sound fair now does it?


MelissaP1 - I found your post to be very informative to those who may not understand what an HOA is. Good job. However, I disagree on some of your points as follows:

A real estate agent is a Realtor when he she becomes a member of a trade organization called the National Association of Realtors. A real estate agent works under and provides it's services to a Broker. It is a misconception, and incorrect that a Realtor is required by law to inform the buyer of the exact HOA rules. A seller provides a Seller's Disclosure Statement regarding the property for sale, in the Disclosure is a category for HOA rules/regs that the property is subject to. It is the responsibility of the buyer's attorney, or the buyer to procure the exact rules from the seller. All the Realtor should do is facilitate in procuring the rules for the buyer. The Realtor will be opening him/herself up to extreme liability if he/she advises on the HOA rules.

A poorly run HOA is more than the fault of owner apathy. It is the conscious decision of those in power to rule by the lowest standard of owner input. Doing so is a blatant disregard for the by-laws that are in place that govern what the Board should do regardless of owner participation.

The best education is experience. While some volunteers may lack HOA experience, common sense is often all that is needed. I have experience to prove otherwise that many make it a profession to move into an HOA to run things their way, on their terms. They travel in packs, and or sniff each other out very quickly upon ownership.

If only 10 participate out of 50, that is 3 less than a quorum of 25%, not the majority. Therefore, 10 out of 50 can not legally effect anything.

You are correct however in that every vote counts and owner participation will prevent many of the HOA pitfalls, and catch the hand in the cookie jar so to speak. It never ceases to amaze me how apathetic owners are about the allocation of their money, and how Board members capitalize upon that fact, and their assumed invulnerability under D & O insurance.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Melissa:

In Oregon, new subdivisions are required by law to provide a stormwater retention pond, to receive stormwater coming through the storm sewer system and hold/release it over a period of time (usually they are designed to drain over a 24 to 48 hour period when full) with an overflow grate to handle large rain events. These ponds work both as biofilters as well as buffering the surge of water through the public stormwater system and into streams; they work as flood control, even with the largest rain events, since some water is held and released more slowly.

Depending on the county/city/storm drainage jurisdiction's choice or policy, these ponds may be owned by the owners in the subdivision (therefore requiring an HOA to hold & manage the property) or by the city/county/storm drainage jurisdiction.

Additionally, the city/county may require private parks (in lieu of the city/county providing them), private streets with private street lighting, common area landscaping along major streets, etc. which would require the formation of an HOA. Currently, in Oregon over 90% of new developments have an HOA due to the regulations and laws.

So, it's not always a developer choice on whether there is an HOA. In the cases where there is common property held and a formal organization (as opposed to simply having deed restrictions) it is important for the HOA to maintain its corporate status, in order to hire landscapers and/or managers, as well as to procure insurance coverage.

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Joe:

I agree with your points. A realtor is not required to disclose any HOA rules to anyone, it is the sole responsibility of the buyer to become informed on rules, etc. prior to purchase.

I also agree that owner apathy is not the only reason HOA's are in trouble. There can be many reasons, you may have had one bad board member who was overbearing and the rest of the board let them run things. You don't need to have a professionals to have a good HOA, you need to have a good group of people with a vision and eventually when the neighborhood sees good things happening you will pull in more members. You will never have 100% participation, but that is life.

Melissa, you are partially right on documents being filed at the courthouse, but only the CC&R's will be there. Bylaws, meeting minutes, financials, etc. are not there and those have valuable information in them. I think it would be important to know if your association has a healthy reserve or is on the verge of trouble.

GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
As JM2 points out in his state, here in NC there is a 10% open space clause that mandates any subdivision must provide 10% open space (or more) therefore requiring it to be an HOA, POA, SOA type of Association.
JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Brad:

Here in the wild, wild west of Oregon, many Bylaws are also recorded with the county, along with the Declaration, Plat and Articles of Incorporation (filed w/Secretary of State's office).

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I need to move out to the wild west, sounds a lot better place. Unfortunately here in tornado alley we don't do that, probably afraid a twister will take it away.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Thanks for the comments. I know there are many more "details" that could be added. However, there is too much to cover and this is just an "Overview". Each state, HOA, POA, or condo differs.
Again, I must stress that it IS the BUYER's Responsibility to be informed of the HOA RULES. The "Existance" of one may be the responsibilities of the Realtor or lawyer. The Realtor should tell the client there is an HOA and the Dues/Assessment rate. The mortgage company needs to know this information so when they loan the money they take this amount into "consideration". However, the CC&R's are considere PUBLIC documents available at the courthouse for the buyer to review before purchasing the property. All others involved can only do it as a "courtesy". As far as Bylaws, ACC Rules those most likely are NOT filed anywhere EXCEPT with the HOA. They aren't considered "Public Documents" since they refer to the actual operation of the HOA. (Some states do require by-laws be filed with CC&R's but CC&R's are the OVERRIDING document). As for the Incorporation documentation, that may be filed at the STATE level. The HOA may provide a copy of this as well upon request.
I am hoping for more positive comments and details that I missed in the original posting. It should help get the point across of what a HOA truly is and what you as a homeower are responsible for and can do. I can't say you won't run across overbearing board members who run amock. That happens in almost every work place and a HOA isn't much different except you have to live with it and NOT get paid.

Former HOA President
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 04/03/2007 3:33 PM
Again, I must stress that it IS the BUYER's Responsibility to be informed of the HOA RULES. The "Existance" of one may be the responsibilities of the Realtor or lawyer. The Realtor should tell the client there is an HOA and the Dues/Assessment rate. All others involved can only do it as a "courtesy".

MelissaP1 - As I stated, there is a seller's disclosure statement. This is for the SELLER to fill out, not the seller's or buyer's agent. In the event that the SELLER lies on the disclosure statement, the seller's agent and buyer's agent are somewhat protected from liability. Realtors are held to an extremely high code of ethics and can loose their licenses for any impropriety. In the northeast, records on any sale must be kept for 6 years, and 6 months for all lost sales. If the seller's agent knows the SELLER lied, the agent and the broker can and must withdraw inform the seller they will drop the sale if the seller isn't honest. For sales when a buyer's agent is hired, the buyer's agent can procure the disclosure statement from the seller. The buyer's agent must have access to maintenance fee, and tax information, can request a copy of the by-laws, and cc&r's. All of which will assist the buyer's agent and buyer. The buyer's and seller's real estate agent and brokerage firms MUST not ever inform the BUYER of the exact cc&r's and by-laws. But must only provide access to the most current version.

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