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BanksS
Posts: 403
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This is the scenario. HOA has about 25 standalone homes. The HOA funds are low but the dues and assessments are low at $375 per year total. Some of homes are lived in year round others are part-time summer users. A portion of HOA property is enclosed by a split rail fence. The fence constantly needs repairs, is old and quite ugly but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. After expenses are paid, there are no available funds to repair the fence. Some of the HOA homes are located directly behind the deteriorated fence. This is the problem. The homeowners want the fence repaired and refuse to pay dues and assessments until the fence gets fixed.

The bylaws require member approval for a special assessment to raise money. The members will not likely approve a special assessment to repair the fence. Most of the homeowners don’t care because the fence is either not directly in front of their property and they are occasional summer users of their property. The BOD can raise the dues without member approval. They likely will not raise the dues to fix the fence because many of them are part-time summer users. As a part-time occasional user of the property, they must pay the minimum rate for their utilities, property taxes, plus pay their HOA dues and assessments at the same rate as the full-time residents. Some have the attitude that they pay enough and will not pay out any more.

I say to just remove the fence but others do not agree. I am not passionate about either option but there are people here that want to keep it but do not want to pay more money to fix it. There is some nostalgia attached to the fence. It was first erected way back in the 70’s when the area was first developed. I’m sure it looked quite attractive then but it looks really tacky now. I may have a different attitude if my home was directly behind the fence.

Any ideas? Thank-you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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The fence would be considered a capital component to the Association and funds should be set aside yearly so when the fence does need repairs/replaced, the money is there for it. If you haven't been doing this, you need a Reserve Study done so you know how much you really need to set aside each year. For more info on Reserve studies see the following thread: Subject: Reserve Studies/Funds 101

Since it appears that the real problem is lack of funds, it's obvious to me that the assessments aren't high enough to cover expenses and fund the Reserves, your Association has a lot of delinquent accounts, expenses are too high or a combination of any or all of those reasons.

I'd suggest that you address the problem: lack of Reserve funds. Use the fence as a reason to perform a reserve study and then bring to the membership the need to raise assessments to fund the reserves. Since lenders are now looking at the financial health of Associations before making loans, it's imperative that the Association has properly funded reserves.

Our Association is over 30 years old and we did our first study 5 years ago. Because the study was done so late in the life of the Association, many items in the study were nearing the end of their life expectancy. This resulted in a need to raise assessments by over 20 percent. However, the members supported this because the Association could show them the actual need and numbers due to having done a Reserve Study.

Again, my advice is to address the real problem and do what you must to fully fund the Reserves so other items doesn't become an issue like your fence.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By BanksS on 01/04/2014 2:17 PM

This is the scenario. HOA has about 25 standalone homes. The HOA funds are low but the dues and assessments are low at $375 per year total. Some of homes are lived in year round others are part-time summer users. A portion of HOA property is enclosed by a split rail fence. The fence constantly needs repairs, is old and quite ugly but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. After expenses are paid, there are no available funds to repair the fence. Some of the HOA homes are located directly behind the deteriorated fence. This is the problem. The homeowners want the fence repaired and refuse to pay dues and assessments until the fence gets fixed.

It is entirely within the board's discretion as to what gets fixed and when. The homeowners do not have the right to demand a particular asset repaired and have no right to refuse to pay their assessments just because work they want done is not being done. This is a fact of life they accepted when they purchased property within an HOA. If they are unwilling to behave like adults then take them to the woodshed and let them learn the lessons of living within an association.

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Posted By BanksS on 01/04/2014 2:17 PM

The bylaws require member approval for a special assessment to raise money. The members will not likely approve a special assessment to repair the fence. Most of the homeowners don’t care because the fence is either not directly in front of their property and they are occasional summer users of their property. The BOD can raise the dues without member approval. They likely will not raise the dues to fix the fence because many of them are part-time summer users. As a part-time occasional user of the property, they must pay the minimum rate for their utilities, property taxes, plus pay their HOA dues and assessments at the same rate as the full-time residents. Some have the attitude that they pay enough and will not pay out any more.

Special assessments are a hard-sell to members. Here are a couple of alternatives:

1. If your board has the authority to raise assessments even by just a little without owner approval, do it. The owners will grumble but since most are not willing to serve on the board themselves they will pay. Do that as often as the law allows, if allowed at all, until you begin to have a reserve fund.

2. The problem with the fence repair is that most owners do not see it as their problem, so divert funds budgeted for other projects and fix the fence. Make sure that whatever was robbed is something that effects everyone. Let the roads go unrepaired, for example, and let them become impassible. Then ask for approval for a special assessment to repair the roads. You just might get owner approval if everyone is effected. Or the angry villagers may storm your castle with pitchforks and torches.

FrankS10 (Kansas)
Posts: 276
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Fairly similar situation that a friend experienced. A privacy fence bordering the common areas installed by the developers years before had fallen into disrepair. The Board decided to bulldoze it and the lots where the fence bordered it disagreed. They offered to take over the fence and as a condition of their lot would maintain it. The Board refused, the lot owners went to court and stopped the tear down. Now those lots are required to maintain the fence, which they are happy about; however, that responsibility attaches to the lots even when sold. Now that some owners have sold, the new owners are starting to balk at the requirement they say they were not aware of. Who could have seen that coming. LOL!
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Listen to Larry's feedback. It's spot on target.

Listen to Tim's feedback on determining money you need to save.

Owners don't make demands and don't financially hijack the HOA with a refusal to pay. However, boards shouldn't take the easy way out and not maintain objects served to seasonal residents.....the payment demands are NOT seasonal requests.

Two things about Reserve Funds bewilder me:

1. That it took several years for me to truly understand their necessity in an HOA.

2. That so few people don't understand reserve funds now that I understand them and think it's a simple concept (after the fact).

BanksS
Posts: 403
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Posted By KellyM3 on 01/05/2014 6:46 AM
Listen to Larry's feedback. It's spot on target.

Listen to Tim's feedback on determining money you need to save.

Owners don't make demands and don't financially hijack the HOA with a refusal to pay. However, boards shouldn't take the easy way out and not maintain objects served to seasonal residents.....the payment demands are NOT seasonal requests.

Two things about Reserve Funds bewilder me:

1. That it took several years for me to truly understand their necessity in an HOA.

2. That so few people don't understand reserve funds now that I understand them and think it's a simple concept (after the fact).


Yes, indeed Larry and Tim give good advice. Thank-you.

My HOA is pretty quirky. The roads are maintained by the County and the development covers 2 different counties. One county does a good job of road maintenance and the other does not. But that is a whole other issue.

The financial situation is dismal IMO. There is never a budget for members to look at. The financial reporting is limited to 2 lines just like a checkbook. It shows what comes in and what goes out. That's it. There is no reserve fund. There is no separation of funds at all. Everything is all lumped together. The necessary expenses vary widely from year to year. At one point 3 years ago the account was about bankrupt because of some expensive repairs and lawsuits.

The BOD consists of mostly warm weather residents. The majority go south for the Winter. These directors have a different attitude than the full-time residents. I don't believe they will ever raise the dues because it adds to their costs particularly when its not a necessary expense.

For now, the bills get paid. But I am worried that one day there will not be enough funds to cover all the expenses.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Banks

Work to get elected to the BOD and bring about change.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. You may want to post and spread that knowledge to people to understand what is what in a HOA....

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