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BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
The preparation of our budget and the resulting vote in November drew a lot of criticism and anger from the homeowners this year. Many were upset because they felt they had no input in the budget making process.

I have been elected president for 2012. I would like to heal the wounds caused by the budget process. One suggestion that has been made is that we should have a finance committee. Up until now our initial budget has been drafted by the treasurer with the details decided upon by the board.

I am seriously considering this suggestion. My thinking is that it would involve more people in the budget making process. Also, more people would become aware of the financial responsibilities of an HOA. If I'm really lucky, I may even get more people interested in seeking board positions.

I would like to know if any of you have a finance committee. What is their function? How has it worked for you?
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
We have a Finance Committee that is chaired by the board treasurer. When it formed in '06, the prospective members drew up a charter that the board revised and approved. It must have 3 or 5 members, meet monthly, keep meeting minutes and prepare written reports for the Board. Our PM provides all of the financials to the FC except for certain confidential data, and she attends their meetings.

Part of its charter is to assist in preparing the annual budget. Its main function has been to make recs to the Board on short and long term investments. Its meetings are posted every month in our mail rooms. No homeowner has attended in two years! We (the Board) had three special meetings on the budget this fall, and no homeowner attended.

But at least we're trying our best to be transparent
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Our association has a finance committee which currently has 9 members. As the Treasurer of the association I am the Board's liaison to the committee and attend all of its meeting.

The finance committee prepares the first draft of the budget. They begin this process in July by meeting with the chairmen of the other committees (e.g. Facilities, Grounds & Landscaping, Social, etc.) and with the staff members (general manager, clubhouse/activities director, etc.) The meetings of the finance committee are open to the association membership. The committee has access to all contracts and to prior invoices for all recurring expenses (e.g utilities, grounds maintenance, etc.) They prepare a written Basis of Estimate (BOE) form that I designed for each budget line item. The form shows the prior year budget, the year to date actuals, the proposed budget for the coming year with the monthly phasing and a narrative section that explains what expenses are charged to that line item and the assumptions used to arrive at the budget estimate. These are all compiled into an Excel worksheet with summary and backup sheets.

I prepare a PowerPoint presentation based on the draft budget which highlights any issues and I distribute it to the board members for review. In September the board holds an open meeting to review the draft budget and to make decisions on all budget issues. Then in October the board meets again in open session to review the updated budget. At the regular November board meeting the board officially adopts the budget. It is then posted on the association website, a hard copy is placed at the clubhouse front desk for homeowner review and an email goes to all homeowners notifying them that the budget is available for review.

We are a large community with a lot of common property and our operating budget is $2.3 million per year. This necessitates a highly structured budget development process. There has been almost no homeowner attendance at any of the open committee or board meetings related to the budget. This is probably because our monthly assessment has not been raised in 8 years and we have operated with an operating budget surplus for the last 5 years. No c no interest.

We are fortunate to have talented and committed volunteers for our finance committee. If you can find such volunteers, by all means, appoint them to a finance committee.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bruce

An aside but really not.

In another life when we (management) had issues with employees not being happy, we would take the main complainers and involve them in the process. Appoint Review Committees, Focus Groups, etc. Make them up of our most vocal complainers. You would be surprised at how quick they came around to our point of view/understanding once they understood the realities of life. If not, we just paid them lip service and ignored them.

I suggest you form a Financial Advisory Committee (make the advisory role clear) headed by the Treasurer or your BOD (or yourself) and appoint your most vocal complainers. They will come around.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
To return to one of your original points, Bruce, and also David's encouraging more homeowner involvement in the budget should be a very positive step. And, also, from '06-'10, in my HOAnew board members usually came via service on the Finance Committee.

Btw, Bruce, you've mentioned that in CT, HOA boards must follow Robert's Rules of Order. It's not required in CA HOAs, but it is in our bylaws. So our committee charters also contain that requirement
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
First let me say that while I fully support most of the rules that govern HOA's in California, the one size fits all approach really doesn't work for association greater than 100 units. It even gets worst as the size of the community grows.

From 2005 to mid 2011 we had a finance committee that really only worked on the budge. In 2011 we changed the charter to give them more oversight on the day to day operation. In 2012, a previous board disbanded all committees because the management company and attorney didn't want anyone looking over their shoulders. I have attached our committee charter to show what they actually did. It entailed more than creating a budget. I also like the idea of have officers that don't have to be Directors. The treasurer would be perfect for an outside person.

From past experience managing a variety of HOA's, most smaller communities could care less about budgets and finances, as long as they didn't have to raise assessments. Most communities, its a matter of watering the grass, mowing the lawn and paying for electricity for the common area. Then you have gated communities, intercoms, swimming pools, complex watering agreements, complex joint common area agreements between multiple associations.

One individual created a monstrous mess for the past 5 years, but for us, Christmas came a week early, he moved out of the complex. We changed management companies and attorneys and are in the process of re-formed the committees that brought many of us together. As Carol pointed out, many of your quality Board members will come from a finance committee.

My wife is the President of the Board, and I handle the numbers. We have a Treasurer, in name only. Our budget is just over $1M for a community of just over 300 single family homes. Our water is our biggest budget item, at $550K annually, of which $150K is for common area. We are sub-metered, utilizing a third party to bill and collect the water from homeowners. Our biggest challenge is delinquent water bills.

We generally would start the process of creating the following years budget in July, with homeowner approval in November. Our annual disclosure packages have to be mailed by December 1st. Our biggest challenge is to cut $50K from the budget because of rising water and sewer costs from the City of Los Angeles.

Off to watch my San Francisco 49ers.
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CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Yea, Richard. 49rs won! I lived in Santa Cruz off & on for many years and still am a huge fan.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
I was born in SF. Loved playing golf in Santa Cruz.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I totally agree with setting up a finance committee and the benefits of that. My suggestion is only in making sure that everyone is on the SAME page and CONCEPT of what a HOA budget is to be. Establish what a non-profit corporation means. That it is NOT a "Charitable" organization where one can simply have "yard/bake sales" to raise money when needed. It requires a Special Assessment and vote of the members. I think many people don't get that concept and will hold various fundraising opportunities not knowing the ramifications tax wise.

A HOA is NON-PROFIT. That means that it should collect as much money in as it has to pay out. Some people see $ signs when they see the HOA's bank account and reserve funds. They want to go on a "shopping spree" of sorts spending money on different projects here and there. CAREFUL planning has to go into such projects and ramifications/continued costs of supporting such projects need to be understood.

A finance committee is great and useful tool. However, if they don't understand the limitations of a HOA or how funding works in it, that can quickly turn into a nightmare. It is best to establish the overall purpose and educate what the purpose of the committee is to do for the HOA. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. When you spend the HOA's money you are then spending EVERYONE's money not just your own or what you perceive as the "BOD" money. A lesson taught to me early and the hardest one to teach or learn.

Former HOA President
FrankS10 (Kansas)
Posts: 276
Posted:
WE do have a FC, formed by three of us several years ago. The previous Boards for the most part ignored us; however, with everything going on in our community they received a good message to listen to our input this year. We invited participation from others, which other than a few e-mails we did not receive much input. We knew our limitations as we read our governing documents at our first meeting.

The FC this year did prepare a budget beforehand, which the Board mostly adopted. We recommended no dues increase this year, and the community unanimously approved it. We put together a report with some recommendations for needed changes in the future. Upon my election to the Board I e-mailed all Board members a copy and asked them to be prepared to discuss this at our January meeting. I was chair of the FC.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Our FC charter is similar to the one that Richard posted. One difference is that our FC does not review proposals for contracts.

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